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I think the b&hammer could have some use in this thread.........
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On December 17 2012 02:03 hillman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 08:07 plogamer wrote:On December 16 2012 07:41 hillman wrote:
This thread has degraded into a support group for people who can't beat broodlord infestor. So they label anyone who wins with broodlord infestor a "patch zerg", that way they don't have to take responsibility for not being able to figure it out...Then they argue, "see! some Koreans have been losing to foreign zergs in a small sample of recent data, it must be imbalance!"
It's so much easier to just throw your hands up and blame it on those damn patchzergs..."they just make a couple infestors, throw in some broodlords, and 1A it across the map!"... Oh wait, there's more! It's actually a conspiracy to help foreign zergs win...Blizzard decided to throw away years of effort at creating an esport in order to help white people beat Koreas....Of course! Why didn't we see this before?
Nevermind that the metagame shifts and sometimes one race will have a dominant strategy for a period of time. Nevermind that Terrans often try to do the same old responses against broodlord infestors somehow expecting the results to be different. They never mention that often Zergs win because of the Ultralisk tech switch - and Terrans weren't prepared. Think about that, the Terran race who can get essentially free scouting in the late game gets caught of guard because they didn't know there was an ultra/brood or brood/ultra switch. But it's gotta be those patch zergs.
This article even goes as far as ignoring any mistakes the Terran player made in Code S matches, while characterizing the Zerg players as lazily falling asleep during the game before 1A'ing it to victory... Quit being whiny bitches, come up with something new instead of blaming the game. The other races have won major tournaments within a recent time span, somebody figured something out...Zerg isn't unbeatable. The sooner you get that into your heads, the sooner you can quit acting like victims because you don't like the way a computer game has been playing out recently. Just stop. While people using "patch zerg" as a term is really idiotic, your position is on the other spectrum of stupidity. Your amateur psychology also applies in reverse. Your analysis is no less hyperbolic and shallow. And seriously, defensive much? I guess any discussion on Zerg balance when Zergs are doing well is "whine" to you. LOL, just calling it like I see it, bro. Do you have anything specific to cite, or are you just going to level general criticisms at me? If not, your argument is just empty rhetoric and name-calling.
Anything specific? The OP has about 10 pages of specifics. And if you are "calling it like you see it" then you are not watching any tvz games.
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On December 17 2012 02:03 hillman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 08:07 plogamer wrote:On December 16 2012 07:41 hillman wrote:
This thread has degraded into a support group for people who can't beat broodlord infestor. So they label anyone who wins with broodlord infestor a "patch zerg", that way they don't have to take responsibility for not being able to figure it out...Then they argue, "see! some Koreans have been losing to foreign zergs in a small sample of recent data, it must be imbalance!"
It's so much easier to just throw your hands up and blame it on those damn patchzergs..."they just make a couple infestors, throw in some broodlords, and 1A it across the map!"... Oh wait, there's more! It's actually a conspiracy to help foreign zergs win...Blizzard decided to throw away years of effort at creating an esport in order to help white people beat Koreas....Of course! Why didn't we see this before?
Nevermind that the metagame shifts and sometimes one race will have a dominant strategy for a period of time. Nevermind that Terrans often try to do the same old responses against broodlord infestors somehow expecting the results to be different. They never mention that often Zergs win because of the Ultralisk tech switch - and Terrans weren't prepared. Think about that, the Terran race who can get essentially free scouting in the late game gets caught of guard because they didn't know there was an ultra/brood or brood/ultra switch. But it's gotta be those patch zergs.
This article even goes as far as ignoring any mistakes the Terran player made in Code S matches, while characterizing the Zerg players as lazily falling asleep during the game before 1A'ing it to victory... Quit being whiny bitches, come up with something new instead of blaming the game. The other races have won major tournaments within a recent time span, somebody figured something out...Zerg isn't unbeatable. The sooner you get that into your heads, the sooner you can quit acting like victims because you don't like the way a computer game has been playing out recently. Just stop. While people using "patch zerg" as a term is really idiotic, your position is on the other spectrum of stupidity. Your amateur psychology also applies in reverse. Your analysis is no less hyperbolic and shallow. And seriously, defensive much? I guess any discussion on Zerg balance when Zergs are doing well is "whine" to you. LOL, just calling it like I see it, bro. Do you have anything specific to cite, or are you just going to level general criticisms at me? If not, your argument is just empty rhetoric and name-calling.
Read the thread, there has been a lot of very specific points being argued. Yeah there's a lot of garbage too. But really, I think the person with empty rhetoric and name-calling is yourself, "bro".
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Didn't read all 82 pages of replies but I wanted to respond to one thing that was said (and I'm sure others have pointed this out): You said everyone has stated to give it some time, Broodwar wasn't made amazing overnight. Then you said well we have waited. Well, no, not really we haven't. After Legacy of the void comes out, wait another year or so after that. That is when Broodwar players and fans will expect true balance in SC2. Until then, be ready for balance to swing around to each race being overpowered at some point. Zerg will eventually lose some power, and when it does, either Terrans will begin to dominate again or Protoss will start to dominate.Then more patch changes will hit and we will see another shift. Expect this to happen a lot over the next couple of years.
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On December 17 2012 14:05 SkatesSC wrote:
Didn't read all 82 pages of replies but I wanted to respond to one thing that was said (and I'm sure others have pointed this out): You said everyone has stated to give it some time, Broodwar wasn't made amazing overnight. Then you said well we have waited. Well, no, not really we haven't. After Legacy of the void comes out, wait another year or so after that. That is when Broodwar players and fans will expect true balance in SC2. Until then, be ready for balance to swing around to each race being overpowered at some point. Zerg will eventually lose some power, and when it does, either Terrans will begin to dominate again or Protoss will start to dominate.Then more patch changes will hit and we will see another shift. Expect this to happen a lot over the next couple of years.
Balance isnt the only issue here.
Nobody wants to wait til 2015 for the game to finally be fun.
Balanced or imbalanced, It would be nice to enjoy the game for a change.
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I haven't paid much attention or played much SC2 since late 2011... The main reasons being that SC2 because supremely boring to watch and incredibly stupid to play. You could be incredibly ahead against Zerg as Terran but still lose because of Infestor/Broodlord. I was going to sit it out and wait until some new ideas on how to deal with Zerg came up, but none came... And I eventually played LoL with all my free time without realizing it. At least wins can be determined to some degree by skill... I was never really more impressed with SC2 than in 2011. Protoss needed a change, but TvZ was a great matchup. Yes, Mutas could've used a bit of a buff. The matchup was tilted slightly in Terran's favor, but not necessarily for all Terrans. Against DRG, few Terrans could stand victorious. It looked hopeless for Terrans if someone who (then) played as perfectly as DRG were to be their opponent, but MMA showed that through play just as perfect, you could edge your way to the top with a bit of luck. He gave hope to Terrans that if you just practiced diligently, and played better than your opponent, you could still win. But now, it doesn't feel that way, it feels worse than when DRG dominated every Terran in his way, because you could easily accept by looking at his play that he was far superior to all of his opponents. But now, you can play an opponent that you feel is roughly the same level, or worse, outplay them with a few good maneuvers, and still lose "convincingly" because their army beat yours. It doesn't matter how well you macro anymore. It doesn't matter how well you micro anymore. It doesn't matter how good your tactics are, or your strategy. If your opponent is remotely of even skill to you, and knows what he's doing (Infestor turtle into Broodlord/Corruptor army), he will win.
I don't even know if I'll play HotS anymore, except maybe for the campaign... And the hopes of good custom games.
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On December 17 2012 14:05 SkatesSC wrote:
Didn't read all 82 pages of replies but I wanted to respond to one thing that was said (and I'm sure others have pointed this out): You said everyone has stated to give it some time, Broodwar wasn't made amazing overnight. Then you said well we have waited. Well, no, not really we haven't. After Legacy of the void comes out, wait another year or so after that. That is when Broodwar players and fans will expect true balance in SC2. Until then, be ready for balance to swing around to each race being overpowered at some point. Zerg will eventually lose some power, and when it does, either Terrans will begin to dominate again or Protoss will start to dominate.Then more patch changes will hit and we will see another shift. Expect this to happen a lot over the next couple of years.
This is not the point.
Blizzard has known full well that this is an issue and are ignoring it. There is so much evidence that Fungal (and Force Field; ie anti-micro abilities) ruin the game.
Ghosts were used and abused for 3 months, then got nerfed. How long have Infestors been used an abused? How long has Fungal alone been used and abused? For a WHOLE YEAR.
There might not be anyone left to play the game a year after Legacy of the Void comes out except for the Zerg players. The game is just so frustrating to play and watch that it's trash. I've never really felt this to be true before (I felt it was bad compared to Broodwar, but still with potential, but now it's trash). Even with Riot screwing up League of Legends, they at least attempt to fix their shit now and then. Blizzard? Nope. Worst case scenario, there is the ban function (in non-tournament games, because it functions differently in a tournament) to rid the game of the most broken aspects of the game as long as you know what is broken. You can't ban the Infestor/Sentry/Marine from the game.
We just want Blizzard just to treat the 3 races fairly, if they are going to act. They have simply nerfed Terran to hell and buffed Zerg to the heavens. Yes, the game was frustrating before for Zergs, but now it's just beyond stupid for Terrans to play.
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Hmm I really think there is way too much whining!!!
To the whiners, why don't you guys just relax and focus on your own game play!
I can't believe people saying they can't win against Zerg anymore and they play from low Master to Bronze it's ridiculous!
The game will change from time to time and it will change for the better. I really feel HOTS will be an enhancement to SC2 and I'm liking WoL.
To be honest I don't understand the big shift to LoL! I do think it is because people are afraid of ladder and want a more social game.
This will be solved with the unranked matchmaking and chat groups/clan system in HOTS.
So what I'm trying to say is: Just relax until March when HOTS will be released and don't whine about hots balance it's in beta.
BTW: Forcefields and Fungals had some epic moments from a tactically point. I agree Fungals seem a bit overpowered(I don't whine about it) but the -1 range seems to be a good start to fix these and the projectile in Hots is even better. How epic will it be when Terrans start to dodge fungals or protoss dodge it with blink!
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On December 17 2012 12:33 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:03 hillman wrote:On December 16 2012 08:07 plogamer wrote:On December 16 2012 07:41 hillman wrote:
This thread has degraded into a support group for people who can't beat broodlord infestor. So they label anyone who wins with broodlord infestor a "patch zerg", that way they don't have to take responsibility for not being able to figure it out...Then they argue, "see! some Koreans have been losing to foreign zergs in a small sample of recent data, it must be imbalance!"
It's so much easier to just throw your hands up and blame it on those damn patchzergs..."they just make a couple infestors, throw in some broodlords, and 1A it across the map!"... Oh wait, there's more! It's actually a conspiracy to help foreign zergs win...Blizzard decided to throw away years of effort at creating an esport in order to help white people beat Koreas....Of course! Why didn't we see this before?
Nevermind that the metagame shifts and sometimes one race will have a dominant strategy for a period of time. Nevermind that Terrans often try to do the same old responses against broodlord infestors somehow expecting the results to be different. They never mention that often Zergs win because of the Ultralisk tech switch - and Terrans weren't prepared. Think about that, the Terran race who can get essentially free scouting in the late game gets caught of guard because they didn't know there was an ultra/brood or brood/ultra switch. But it's gotta be those patch zergs.
This article even goes as far as ignoring any mistakes the Terran player made in Code S matches, while characterizing the Zerg players as lazily falling asleep during the game before 1A'ing it to victory... Quit being whiny bitches, come up with something new instead of blaming the game. The other races have won major tournaments within a recent time span, somebody figured something out...Zerg isn't unbeatable. The sooner you get that into your heads, the sooner you can quit acting like victims because you don't like the way a computer game has been playing out recently. Just stop. While people using "patch zerg" as a term is really idiotic, your position is on the other spectrum of stupidity. Your amateur psychology also applies in reverse. Your analysis is no less hyperbolic and shallow. And seriously, defensive much? I guess any discussion on Zerg balance when Zergs are doing well is "whine" to you. LOL, just calling it like I see it, bro. Do you have anything specific to cite, or are you just going to level general criticisms at me? If not, your argument is just empty rhetoric and name-calling. Read the thread, there has been a lot of very specific points being argued. Yeah there's a lot of garbage too. But really, I think the person with empty rhetoric and name-calling is yourself, "bro".
Did you even read my post? LOL, you didn't respond to a single point, then you cite all the "specific points" made in this thread, after calling my opinion hyperbolic and shallow. You don't think maybe, just maybe, some of these people's angst comes from personally not being able to effectively handle broodlord/infestor. Is that amateur psychology? And is it possible that the OP was maybe a little biased when he basically says that Code S zergs win by 1A'ing their armies and they don't even have to pay attention to the game? Do you disagree that the metagame shifts and for certain periods one race is dominant? Did you even read the OP?
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This is fucking redicilous. Putting zerg imbalances aside, it is stupid and moronic to judge skill by race, korean or white. Although fungal is OP, you cant make a case by stating that a person of inferior race beat another through imbalance. Thats racist and insulting.
A second thing. Branding zergs as "patchzergs" is quite annoying. Although it is stupid how zergs will just mass infestors all game long, this is the kind of thing that drives people nuts. Personally, i really dont care, but i'm tired of being called patchzerg every game, even if i dont use anything imbalanced, or even in ZvZ. It has become more of a BM term than a phrase depicting an imbalance which some zergs are exploiting.
And third, your statement about the 1-base immortal push is completely invalid. The fact that people can play tricks, and alter tactics, and use strats, cheese or not, is what makes this game what it is. If every game was a macro game, we wouldn't have to scout. All we would do is build units and control them, taking "strategy" out of a strategy game. If you want an RT game instead of an RTS game, then dont mention that in an otherwise well written thread about an RTS game. A cheese game is not a bad game. It is simply just a strategy. This brings me into something i wont go into, about how people think that cheese is BM and gay, etc. Its just one strategy out of many in a strategy game that happens to be more fast than others. It was the korean's fault for not scouting. In fact, the "white person" doing the all-in was a better player, because he was not stupid enough to make a silly game-ending mistake.
All in all, good post. I;m glad to see infestors get a fix. Hopefully, zvzs wont be an infestor dogpile, zvt wont be "who can a-move better, since there is no longer micro," and zvp isnt just "ohhh. Excellent mothership timing and vortex. Too bad he won/lost the game" But its quite racist. If i was playing against a black person who was terran, and beat me with mass marine/medivac, I wouldn't say, "lol the imbalance of ur race makes up for the lack of skill caused by your skin color. Play a better race n*gger, and see if you can win."
Get rid of the part about foreigner vs. white people, and your post would be excellent, because race has nothing to do with skill. It just happens to be that koreans are better. Is it because of their race? Is their "starcraft koreanness" inherited at birth? no. Theyre just plain and simply better because they play more, and it is a larger part of their culture. Its a coincidence.
Oh, and inb4 "lol white boy defending foreigners":
I'm half korean.
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On December 17 2012 14:26 XXXSmOke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 14:05 SkatesSC wrote:
Didn't read all 82 pages of replies but I wanted to respond to one thing that was said (and I'm sure others have pointed this out): You said everyone has stated to give it some time, Broodwar wasn't made amazing overnight. Then you said well we have waited. Well, no, not really we haven't. After Legacy of the void comes out, wait another year or so after that. That is when Broodwar players and fans will expect true balance in SC2. Until then, be ready for balance to swing around to each race being overpowered at some point. Zerg will eventually lose some power, and when it does, either Terrans will begin to dominate again or Protoss will start to dominate.Then more patch changes will hit and we will see another shift. Expect this to happen a lot over the next couple of years. Balance isnt the only issue here. Nobody wants to wait til 2015 for the game to finally be fun. Balanced or imbalanced, It would be nice to enjoy the game for a change.
Yes, nobody wants to wait 5 years for a game to develop, yet it gets compared to a game that has been developing for 10. Why?
Sure, Blizzard could have taken what they knew from BW and created a perfect game. They definitely got a lot closer with WoL than Starcraft to a balanced game, and HOTS is shaping up to be an excellent game imo. We'll see when that comes out.
Granted, I agree with you. Just a bit of devil's advocate on the "wait until HOTS" part. 
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What I find most baffling is that, traditionally, the jester was the only one who freely could criticize the king.
I am not sure where the line between reality and joke lies in this write up, but there is some truth in it. Just the motives of blizzard remain unknown.
Ah well, not my problem.
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I've always been terrible at infestors, but I recognize that it's the core skill needed to win. That's why I make hydras in ZvT, so that I can win with something unexpected and have to figure something out on my own. If it stops working as I get better, as people tell me, I'll switch to mutas, not back to infestors. I spine up the map for no man.
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Oh goodness this is way too much crying......
Do you know there are soooooo many games that don't go super late game and thus aren't all infestor/broodlord.
Do you know that zergs don't win EVERYTHING, although they do win their fair share.
Do you know that the world's best foreigner zerg doesn't play infestor/broodlord usually. He wins without using infestors at all in some games.
Yeah we get it, you're angry...... But the fact of the matter is is that people can still micro to beat this. Start spreading ghosts and using templars in warp prisims. If a zerg depends entirely on infestors, you can just rape them in 2 seconds with anti caster units casters. Most late game terran armies can rape late game zerg armies if they actually play well (which most of them don't). You hear casters saying "well the terran is in a great position so long as he spreads his vikings. wait, he's not spreading his vikings?! what is he doing! they are going to get fungaled!?!? and the terran just lost the game because he didn't spread any of his vikings and lost them all to 1 chain fungal.
The fact of the matter is that terrans aren't playing as well as they were before. Sure, zerg is stronger than when they were really weak, and they may be stronger than the other two races (slightly), but that doesn't mean all of this crying is legitimate.
If there is anything you should complain about, it's that the PvZ match up is pretty stale. ZvZ and TvZ is just fine though. Nothing wrong with that match up. Nor with PvP.
The issue you have with the current SotG is that you find the current meta to be boring. That's the only thing your entire 30 minute long post has to say.
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On December 18 2012 09:43 hillman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 12:33 plogamer wrote:On December 17 2012 02:03 hillman wrote:On December 16 2012 08:07 plogamer wrote:On December 16 2012 07:41 hillman wrote:
This thread has degraded into a support group for people who can't beat broodlord infestor. So they label anyone who wins with broodlord infestor a "patch zerg", that way they don't have to take responsibility for not being able to figure it out...Then they argue, "see! some Koreans have been losing to foreign zergs in a small sample of recent data, it must be imbalance!"
It's so much easier to just throw your hands up and blame it on those damn patchzergs..."they just make a couple infestors, throw in some broodlords, and 1A it across the map!"... Oh wait, there's more! It's actually a conspiracy to help foreign zergs win...Blizzard decided to throw away years of effort at creating an esport in order to help white people beat Koreas....Of course! Why didn't we see this before?
Nevermind that the metagame shifts and sometimes one race will have a dominant strategy for a period of time. Nevermind that Terrans often try to do the same old responses against broodlord infestors somehow expecting the results to be different. They never mention that often Zergs win because of the Ultralisk tech switch - and Terrans weren't prepared. Think about that, the Terran race who can get essentially free scouting in the late game gets caught of guard because they didn't know there was an ultra/brood or brood/ultra switch. But it's gotta be those patch zergs.
This article even goes as far as ignoring any mistakes the Terran player made in Code S matches, while characterizing the Zerg players as lazily falling asleep during the game before 1A'ing it to victory... Quit being whiny bitches, come up with something new instead of blaming the game. The other races have won major tournaments within a recent time span, somebody figured something out...Zerg isn't unbeatable. The sooner you get that into your heads, the sooner you can quit acting like victims because you don't like the way a computer game has been playing out recently. Just stop. While people using "patch zerg" as a term is really idiotic, your position is on the other spectrum of stupidity. Your amateur psychology also applies in reverse. Your analysis is no less hyperbolic and shallow. And seriously, defensive much? I guess any discussion on Zerg balance when Zergs are doing well is "whine" to you. LOL, just calling it like I see it, bro. Do you have anything specific to cite, or are you just going to level general criticisms at me? If not, your argument is just empty rhetoric and name-calling. Read the thread, there has been a lot of very specific points being argued. Yeah there's a lot of garbage too. But really, I think the person with empty rhetoric and name-calling is yourself, "bro". Did you even read my post? LOL, you didn't respond to a single point, then you cite all the "specific points" made in this thread, after calling my opinion hyperbolic and shallow. You don't think maybe, just maybe, some of these people's angst comes from personally not being able to effectively handle broodlord/infestor. Is that amateur psychology? And is it possible that the OP was maybe a little biased when he basically says that Code S zergs win by 1A'ing their armies and they don't even have to pay attention to the game? Do you disagree that the metagame shifts and for certain periods one race is dominant? Did you even read the OP?
idiot alert
WEOWW WEOWW
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On December 18 2012 09:43 hillman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 12:33 plogamer wrote:On December 17 2012 02:03 hillman wrote:On December 16 2012 08:07 plogamer wrote:On December 16 2012 07:41 hillman wrote:
This thread has degraded into a support group for people who can't beat broodlord infestor. So they label anyone who wins with broodlord infestor a "patch zerg", that way they don't have to take responsibility for not being able to figure it out...Then they argue, "see! some Koreans have been losing to foreign zergs in a small sample of recent data, it must be imbalance!"
It's so much easier to just throw your hands up and blame it on those damn patchzergs..."they just make a couple infestors, throw in some broodlords, and 1A it across the map!"... Oh wait, there's more! It's actually a conspiracy to help foreign zergs win...Blizzard decided to throw away years of effort at creating an esport in order to help white people beat Koreas....Of course! Why didn't we see this before?
Nevermind that the metagame shifts and sometimes one race will have a dominant strategy for a period of time. Nevermind that Terrans often try to do the same old responses against broodlord infestors somehow expecting the results to be different. They never mention that often Zergs win because of the Ultralisk tech switch - and Terrans weren't prepared. Think about that, the Terran race who can get essentially free scouting in the late game gets caught of guard because they didn't know there was an ultra/brood or brood/ultra switch. But it's gotta be those patch zergs.
This article even goes as far as ignoring any mistakes the Terran player made in Code S matches, while characterizing the Zerg players as lazily falling asleep during the game before 1A'ing it to victory... Quit being whiny bitches, come up with something new instead of blaming the game. The other races have won major tournaments within a recent time span, somebody figured something out...Zerg isn't unbeatable. The sooner you get that into your heads, the sooner you can quit acting like victims because you don't like the way a computer game has been playing out recently. Just stop. While people using "patch zerg" as a term is really idiotic, your position is on the other spectrum of stupidity. Your amateur psychology also applies in reverse. Your analysis is no less hyperbolic and shallow. And seriously, defensive much? I guess any discussion on Zerg balance when Zergs are doing well is "whine" to you. LOL, just calling it like I see it, bro. Do you have anything specific to cite, or are you just going to level general criticisms at me? If not, your argument is just empty rhetoric and name-calling. Read the thread, there has been a lot of very specific points being argued. Yeah there's a lot of garbage too. But really, I think the person with empty rhetoric and name-calling is yourself, "bro". Did you even read my post? LOL, you didn't respond to a single point, then you cite all the "specific points" made in this thread, after calling my opinion hyperbolic and shallow. You don't think maybe, just maybe, some of these people's angst comes from personally not being able to effectively handle broodlord/infestor. Is that amateur psychology? And is it possible that the OP was maybe a little biased when he basically says that Code S zergs win by 1A'ing their armies and they don't even have to pay attention to the game? Do you disagree that the metagame shifts and for certain periods one race is dominant? Did you even read the OP?
I'll respond in terms you will understand.
"LOL, just calling it like I see it, bro." - Ver.
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On December 18 2012 13:05 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 14:26 XXXSmOke wrote:On December 17 2012 14:05 SkatesSC wrote:
Didn't read all 82 pages of replies but I wanted to respond to one thing that was said (and I'm sure others have pointed this out): You said everyone has stated to give it some time, Broodwar wasn't made amazing overnight. Then you said well we have waited. Well, no, not really we haven't. After Legacy of the void comes out, wait another year or so after that. That is when Broodwar players and fans will expect true balance in SC2. Until then, be ready for balance to swing around to each race being overpowered at some point. Zerg will eventually lose some power, and when it does, either Terrans will begin to dominate again or Protoss will start to dominate.Then more patch changes will hit and we will see another shift. Expect this to happen a lot over the next couple of years. Balance isnt the only issue here. Nobody wants to wait til 2015 for the game to finally be fun. Balanced or imbalanced, It would be nice to enjoy the game for a change. Yes, nobody wants to wait 5 years for a game to develop, yet it gets compared to a game that has been developing for 10. Why? Sure, Blizzard could have taken what they knew from BW and created a perfect game. They definitely got a lot closer with WoL than Starcraft to a balanced game, and HOTS is shaping up to be an excellent game imo. We'll see when that comes out. Granted, I agree with you. Just a bit of devil's advocate on the "wait until HOTS" part.
I had fun watching BW back in the 2002.
WoL? Not much. I mean, ye, few games here and there, but for most part I watch games of only a couple of players. You don't need 5 years to make the game balanced. You just need to have people who actually care about game being fun and not about adding new feature to the game that will allow to make more money.
What we got here is just another boring game in the StarCraft setting.
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this is literally the greatest troll topic in the history of starcraft 2
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Shinta you are being an idiot. But w/e. You continue thinking that whilst everyone gets bored of watching Zergcraft until every nonzerg has switched to LOL. To your point re. Terran armies - don't you think pro terrans would have practiced at doing this to you know actually win stuff? But no no i guess for the past 8 months they have just been sat on their asses thinking, you know what i don't really have to practice. Haha "Terrans havnt been playing as well as they have before". God that is so blind. Seriously, i sometimes wonder if zergs are watching the same game as everyone else the past year.
On a more open related topic, has anyone actually put the question to Blizzard as to why they took the best matchup in SC2 (pre Queen patch TvZ) and utterly gutted it into the crap we have had since? I personally would love a response to this.
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I have Dustin has been watching the Blizzard Cup. The queen patch pretty much made zerg unkillable from early game all ins unless they mess up. However, zergs now have the best early game all ins now. If you scout it too late, you are screwed.
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