EPTThanks for the good read.
Lings of Liberty: The Rise of the Patchzergs - Page 63
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xwoGworwaTsx
United States984 Posts
Thanks for the good read. | ||
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SohcranA
United States36 Posts
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SohcranA
United States36 Posts
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
I'm still here because there isn't another decent RTS. MOBA's bore me, I don't like team games with little to no multitasking and a knowledge instead of skill ceiling. I find the concept tedious. Watching relatively low skilled zergs win in the most boring ways makes me feel a little bit sick, foreigner or no. Actually good players like Life and Hyun would be just fine if the infestor was just straight up removed, and I'd be a happy viewer. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26775 Posts
He is not better than say, Taeja at either of the two skills of control and macro though. | ||
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SohcranA
United States36 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:16 Wombat_NI wrote: Stephano has great unit control and macro. He's got a very good instinctive Starcraft brain. He is not better than say, Taeja at either of the two skills of control and macro though. You could be totally right about that in a vacuum, though we don't have a good way to measure that. All I would offer in response is that Stephano demonstrated early on that he stands out by winning almost every ZvP he played during a period when virtually the entire zerg population was struggling in that matchup. Terrans, on the other hand, are showing impressive games even given the difficulty of TvZ today. For instance, see the recent IPL5 games of Bomber and Polt that absolutely crushed their respective zerg opponents (who were both well-established Korean zergs themselves) in the loser bracket ro4. There are other examples, but anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.  | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26775 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:40 azoriusherald wrote: You could be totally right about that in a vacuum, though we don't have a good way to measure that. All I would offer in response is that Stephano demonstrated early on that he stands out by winning almost every ZvP he played during a period when virtually the entire zerg population was struggling in that matchup. Terrans, on the other hand, are showing impressive games even given the difficulty of TvZ today. For instance, see the recent IPL5 games of Bomber and Polt that absolutely crushed their respective zerg opponents (who were both well-established Korean zergs themselves) in the loser bracket ro4. There are other examples, but anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Nah I mean, Stephano is/was a god man in ZvP especially. I just feel he's not the absolute best at micro or macro, his strengths must be elsewhere in the intangible region of starsense or something. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:16 Wombat_NI wrote: Stephano has great unit control and macro. He's got a very good instinctive Starcraft brain. He is not better than say, Taeja at either of the two skills of control and macro though. Stephanos macro isn't that good actually. Sure, it's decent, but it's his weakest aspect of his play. His unit control is superb though. | ||
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Tangel0
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 , WOL 1a move domination | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
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WhatsInAName
United States49 Posts
On December 06 2012 12:57 Wombat_NI wrote: Don't have to name them. Basically any Zerg who plays consistently terribly in a fundamental way that still can beat top players. (Hint, Nerchio, Stephano and Scarlett are not patchzergs) Like who? Name them? I don't know of any foreign zergs that I've ever considered good outside stephano, nerchio, scarlett...(maybe sen?)? | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
On December 04 2012 04:06 jexxto wrote: Do you wear a tinfoil hat by any chance? Have we forgotten the long period of Terran Dominance, particularly in Code S? There was a time Zerg was the most under represented race at ALL tournaments. The game is in it's teething stages and the balance will unfortauntly swing between the three races most likely until the last expansion is released. Have you forgotten that zergs were still not using the infestor at all for the longest time? Terran was ONLY over represented in korea at the highest levels of play. In foreign tournaments terrans had a much lower representation. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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kixer
Germany33 Posts
this means that players like nerchio and stephano, who were really good before the infestors, are no patchzergs | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
With some chance the patches will help or HOTS will change this. But yeah... After being a fan of BW and then SC2 and watching a lot of games. I find this weird when the only match up i like watching are mirrors... Or TvP (Wtf ?)... Give me back my TvZ On December 06 2012 16:19 WhatsInAName wrote: Like who? Name them? I don't know of any foreign zergs that I've ever considered good outside stephano, nerchio, scarlett...(maybe sen?)? You forgot iDra (yes i said it). Maybe Ret (even he doesn't win a lot). that you can't count as NOT patch zerg. So list would be stephano,nerchio,scarlett,sen,iDra,Ret Don't have other names that comes to mind right now | ||
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SohcranA
United States36 Posts
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On December 06 2012 19:50 thuracine wrote: zerg imba? stop playing that game. zerg is strongest late game why you let them get there is your problem. your goal is to stop or slow them down from getting to tier 3 units. terran imba what ever blizzard does to them they still win tournaments. Which tournament again? | ||
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arie3000
153 Posts
http://imgur.com/a/1iwo8 Your conspiracy theory is completely wacky, stupid and childish, and it completely invalidates an otherwise ok post. What my largest gripe with the previous 'metagame' was that hellions were a very low-cost investment (400 minerals) in something that could completely decimate drone lines. It felt sometimes rather coinflippy, 4 hellions trying to get in, and if a queen is not on hold position, or injecting, them mineral lines were gone. This was all at a minimal cost for the T, while a huge risk for the Z. With banshees it is a different story, since that requires an early starport+techlab, researching cloak - a relatively large investment. Don't know if the queen buff was necessary, but some light early aggression that could do stupid amounts of damage was ridiculous too, with minimal cost if it didn't work out. I agree that infestor play has made the game boring, but please stop whining so much - Ts enjoyed a loong period of time where they were absolutely dominating, and Blizz wasn't there in a few months either to help out the Zs. Sometimes it is good to let the metagame play-out for a little, and stuff will get resolved, one way or the others. For instance, I think that the immo-sentry all-in doesn't require a patch, Zs will find a way of dealing with it, just like Ps did with the roach max that used to win game straight-up, but doesn't work at all anymore. | ||
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gOst
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