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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
December 03 2012 23:14 GMT
#501
Good read, but you are missing the most important reason for the drop of viewership.

It doesn't matter if Terran is dominating, because then you get to listen to great music all the time. With Zerg, not so much. There's a reason why the Terran music is always playing in a TvZ !
Phemtos
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada163 Posts
December 03 2012 23:14 GMT
#502
Great article, also lol @ people calling this a troll post. Almost everything being said in there is true and in the end it's the spectator that suffer the most not just the players.
fighter2_40
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States420 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:15:18
December 03 2012 23:14 GMT
#503
On December 04 2012 08:09 Luppy1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:57 Valikyr wrote:
On December 04 2012 07:54 Luppy1 wrote:
Is it wrong to think that if someone played a handicapped race from the beginning, got seriously gimped by it and eventually the game becomes more balanced, they will naturally be in a much better position since they're so used to playing handicapped?

Yes, just look at the games being played and it's obvious. Just from personal experience as a protoss player that rarely ever off-races. My ZvP is still almost at the level of my PvZ ^^


I doubt it. But, people claim whatever they want on the internet. Personally, I don't even feel like I'm playing a strategy game when I'm not playing zerg. When play t/p against zerg, I can pretty much do whatever I want and it's the zerg player's job to stop me. If they prepare inadequately, they almost always lose outright. This alone already makes zerg harder to play than the other races. The micro intensive marine splits, I hardly even see them happen, only marine kiting.


Just wondering if you play all the races at an equal level and what rank you are. "zergs job to stop a push" is pretty straight forward and has been figured out.

>> scout 2 base toss play, make zergling roach cut drones at <60.
>> scout expanding protoss > tech infestor ling and bust or just roach ling bust
>> scout terran 1 base: tech lair faster and make more queens, put down baneling nest and evo chamber
>> scout terran 2 base: take third base, make infestor get upgrades.

Queens defend basically everything off 1 base - 2 base terran tech except for marauders, which such dick vs lings.
infestors defend everything. Period.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
December 03 2012 23:16 GMT
#504
On December 04 2012 08:13 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:36 Chainedsage wrote:
How about before nerfing infestors why dont they buff or encourage players to actually use HT or ghosts. People like to complain about infestors all day but they hate making a unit that actually counters them.

Because the unit is just bad. It's whole concept is terrible.



I agree. There was a big of an issue where both hellions and bio could kite/split against ling/bling and it was getting dumb because terran micro was getting so good. Instead of giving zerg a way to micro against this, they reduced the terrans ability to micro to zero.

Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
December 03 2012 23:17 GMT
#505
On December 04 2012 04:09 MilesTeg wrote:
Just skimming through it; I appreciate the effort it must've taken to write this but I don't think you make very good points... a lot of it looks extremely biased, when not outright silly. The rest is stuff that as been said on bnet forums a thousand times.


You don't really need to do more than skim this unfortunately. It looks like he put in a lot of time so I too put in the time to read most of it but this is a bit ridiculous. The last paragraph in particular is pretty silly. Nothing new said here except that blizzard are racists who are killing their own game to see white people beat asians (this point is absurd). It is a shame that I read this.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:30:57
December 03 2012 23:19 GMT
#506
That's funny, I've always thought that they buffed Queens and Overlords because the then-transitioning KeSPA were complaining about Z being too weak.
o choro é livre
President Dead
Profile Joined November 2012
97 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:24:43
December 03 2012 23:20 GMT
#507
Listen Ver, I know you're trying to make an attempt at serious analysis but throughout the entire article you made assumption after assumption that you take as fact and don't acknowledge an alternative to your own beliefs.

" TvZ, the flagship matchup of Starcraft 2"

Why? Cause you said? There's suppose to be a flagship match?

"If this shift had to be explained by one reason, it would indisputably be the infestor and fungal growth."



You're the authority on this? If you say indisputably than every one agree's?



"In order to maintain the illusion that the game was fair while executing its diabolic plan, Blizzard has incessantly claimed that their illusive statistics show the game is balanced at all levels"


You're telepathic? You know why people say things even when they tell you other-wise? You speak for them?

"How glorious would it have been for every player and fan of Starcraft 2, excluding casters, for Blizzard to promptly remove fungal growth from the game and compensate more badass Zerg units like the mutalisk and baneling accordingly. "

Yes, you would think it's glorious. You would think it would revitalize the game. While many people agree with you, if you're going to write a serous critique at least put yourself in 1st person perspective and not speak for others who aren't you.

"A fool might blame Byun for being sloppy and "letting" himself getting fungaled. However, look at the margin for error here: sloppy in this case meant looking away for less than a second."

You mean like any other thing in the game? The second involved in see'ing Ht's and running away? The second involved in spotting Ghost and running from an EMP? You can't run from fungal? You can't see the Infestor on the map? Crying "Woe, I am victim" is a great way to remove responsibility from a situation.


Furthermore, the examples you are selecting are to make your own point. If I wanted to counter what you are writing all I will have to do is respond by taking other matches in which Infestors are dealt with properly. There are an incredible amount of games. I'd use only the supported evidence to voice my view.




Hey, I'm a police officer. Just do what I tell ya.
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
December 03 2012 23:21 GMT
#508
I honestly think this is just a balance whine behind graphs. + Show Spoiler +
Go E-Sports!
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
December 03 2012 23:22 GMT
#509
haha awesome article, thumbs up

Zergcraft 2 approaching Heart of the Swarm, lets see if the game will become even more Zerg favoured next year.

"shudder"
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
elanobissen
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark244 Posts
December 03 2012 23:23 GMT
#510
Thank you for this:D rofl this is the most truthful shit i have read i a long time
President Dead
Profile Joined November 2012
97 Posts
December 03 2012 23:23 GMT
#511
On December 04 2012 08:21 KaiserKieran wrote:
I honestly think this is just a balance whine behind graphs. + Show Spoiler +
Go E-Sports!



Pretty much. I thought stuff like this was suppose to go in balance thread? Not sure why this is allowed.
Hey, I'm a police officer. Just do what I tell ya.
Soda
Profile Joined December 2009
United States66 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:26:48
December 03 2012 23:24 GMT
#512
Wow, you had some good points until you went off the deep end with the "Blizzard wants white people to win" garbage.
Edit: unless you're trying to be funny, in which case, well played
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 03 2012 23:24 GMT
#513
This will be an article in history book of TL, just like the Elephant one.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
Marathi
Profile Joined July 2011
298 Posts
December 03 2012 23:25 GMT
#514
Great article Ver, well thought out and backed with solid evidence whilst remaining witty and fun to read
eSports tees designed by me - http://tinyurl.com/bqmexd9
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 03 2012 23:26 GMT
#515
Those graphs are so amazing (and telling, even tho people at least intuitively knew that).
I could nearly believe in the white guys theory. Why not, it's cheaper than actually balancing the game, and in our world, when it's cheaper, it's probable :D

Perhaps there is something more I don't get, it happened a lot to me today to miss sarcasm xD
Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
December 03 2012 23:26 GMT
#516
Ver makes the best dam threads in the whole dam world
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
December 03 2012 23:27 GMT
#517
I enjoyed this article, especially the screenshots. I'm trying to think back in my memory though to see if the argument that even if Terran dominated before at least the games were fun and required more tactics and skill is true. I'll have to think more on that.

I was disappointed with IPL5 and Leenock's win. I don't feel that he played the best games and did feel like the forgiving nature of the late game for zerg gave him a significant boost. This is not to take away from him being a fantastic player.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
December 03 2012 23:28 GMT
#518
I definitely found LoL way more entertaining to watch than sc2 for ipl5.

I don't care about balance, and my opinion would be of limited value anyway. I just watch whatever I find entertaining, and watching a seemingly unbreakable terran stronghold get steamrolled by infestor/ling/bane/etc is just so stupid to watch.
Venom2
Profile Joined June 2011
United States64 Posts
December 03 2012 23:28 GMT
#519
On December 04 2012 08:20 President Dead wrote:
Listen Ver, I know you're trying to make an attempt at serious analysis but throughout the entire article you made assumption after assumption that you take as fact and don't acknowledge an alternative to your own beliefs.

" TvZ, the flagship matchup of Starcraft 2"

Why? Cause you said? There's suppose to be a flagship match?

"If this shift had to be explained by one reason, it would indisputably be the infestor and fungal growth."



You're the authority on this? If you say indisputably than every one agree's?



"In order to maintain the illusion that the game was fair while executing its diabolic plan, Blizzard has incessantly claimed that their illusive statistics show the game is balanced at all levels"


You're telepathic? You know why people say things even when they tell you other-wise? You speak for them?

"How glorious would it have been for every player and fan of Starcraft 2, excluding casters, for Blizzard to promptly remove fungal growth from the game and compensate more badass Zerg units like the mutalisk and baneling accordingly. "

Yes, you would think it's glorious. You would think it would revitalize the game. While many people agree with you, if you're going to write a serous critique at least put yourself in 1st person perspective and not speak for others who aren't you.

"A fool might blame Byun for being sloppy and "letting" himself getting fungaled. However, look at the margin for error here: sloppy in this case meant looking away for less than a second."

You mean like any other thing in the game? The second involved in see'ing Ht's and running away? The second involved in spotting Ghost and running from an EMP? You can't run from fungal? You can't see the Infestor on the map? Crying "Woe, I am victim" is a great way to remove responsibility from a situation.


Furthermore, the examples you are selecting are to make your own point. If I wanted to counter what you are writing all I will have to do is respond by taking other matches in which Infestors are dealt with properly. There are an incredible amount of games. I'd use only the supported evidence to voice my view.







On December 04 2012 08:23 President Dead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 08:21 KaiserKieran wrote:
I honestly think this is just a balance whine behind graphs. + Show Spoiler +
Go E-Sports!



Pretty much. I thought stuff like this was suppose to go in balance thread? Not sure why this is allowed.


lol....


User was warned for this post
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 00:33:08
December 03 2012 23:29 GMT
#520
Steaming pile of bias and rhetoric, w/ some laughably narrow sampling for your graphs. Looks like you enjoyed hearing yourself, though.
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