EPTLings of Liberty: The Rise of the Patchzergs - Page 25
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Irre
United States646 Posts
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
The last section about conspiracy theories is obviously shit-stirring, but the rest of it is factual. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:48 ZerglingTwins wrote: nvm Good thing you edited, because after looking at your post history everything made much more sense. | ||
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ilsamsamchil
155 Posts
Because right now, we are seeing half of the people who are going "OMG I AM A TERRAN PLAYER, ZERG BASHING? I DONT GET THE CONTENT BUT GOOD POST" vs. "LOL I PLAY ZERG, LET ME IGNORE EVERYTHING AND START TAKING FUNNY PARTS SERIOUSLY AMG THIS GUY IS WEARING TINFOIL HAT!!! IGNORE EVERYTHING". Cleaning things a bit and going the serious route might lead to actual discussion of the topic at hand instead of random things they remember in past 2 years. | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:00 Godwrath wrote: Good thing you edited, because after looking at your post history everything made much more sense. Wow, that's a great effort by you. thanks for being a fan. | ||
Poopi
France13023 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:58 monkybone wrote: There's one aspect of imbalance that I never see highlighted, but one I feel is a very real phenomenon, Namely that people have a tendency to train harder in hardship. Top terrans practice more to stay on top, and top Zergs practice less, because there is no point to practice equally much. A Zerg will not practice TvZ as excessively as a Terran will, this is a reality. Players have a strong will to compete with the best, and will do everything in their power to achieve this, but there is no motivation to go beyond that. There is little that inclines a player to improve a matchup he finds easy. I've seen this illustrated on the EU ladder. I am not sure it currently is the case, but I have certainly noticed it. Kas (a terran player) is a player who practices astonishingly much. I don't know how much the top GM players practice in custom games, or if Kas does this significantly less, but compared to the Zergs and Protosses. Kas just plays a lot more games. Earlier, Happy was this kind of Terran. I am fairly certain that this is an illustration of the phenomenon that players will do whatever in their power to compete with the best, and go to the top. Still, despite Kas' many games, he is still not on top. But he does what he can to compete with the best. I think this is the case with a lot of Terrans. Is it a coincidence that Terran players are more likely to have wrist injuries? Is it a coincidence that Zergs (in particular, Stephano) admit not practicing all that much? I don't think it is. Stephano is a special case. It's not that he always doesn't practice much, it's just that he practices a lot until he understands the matchup in its current form well enough, then barely practices in order to keep decent mechanics. He practiced a lot his ZvZ when it was bad and it paid off, and he refined his ZvP a lot with BlinG and MaNa around the IPl 3 times. | ||
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Mzimzim
United States221 Posts
On December 04 2012 04:14 TurboMaN wrote: Lol at the terran stats. Unfortunately Terran was also the most demanding race in SCBW, so I doubt Blizz will do anything against that. Addtionally they even said that Terrran is designed to be strong early and midgame but weak lategame. Is terran really that strong early and midgame against zerg? The most you see anymore of a terran winning in this early game is a proxy 2 rax where the zerg does not scout. Even then they often hold it off and are actually ahead. Most "wins" you see tvz in the mid game come from 2 fact blue flame run bys or an occasional marauder hellion stim timing such as we saw with polt vs violet on metropolis (game 1 i think?) Even if you kill 20-30 drones in these attacks, we have seen countless that this does not guarantee a terran win. | ||
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Armada Vega
Canada120 Posts
On December 04 2012 04:09 HyDrA_solic wrote: How do you explain Korean Terran dominance in the early times of SC2? I mean, that latter sentence: To summarize, Blizzard has deliberately designed SC2 over the past eighteen months so that foreigners can beat Koreans regularly, despite their general inferiority in skill. It's kinda harsh for game developers and players. Snute just beat Life 2-1. Why do people keep asking this question as if its a mystery? This was answered in 2010, 2011 and 2012, most recently from comments made by Artosis during a recent Code S cast. Do people not read blogs from pros or listen to casters in GSL? I trust Artosis and tasless' perspective on this matter. If you are confused maybe ask them for a blog post about it, but in a nut shell: Concerning Korean Terrans:
Now I'm just going by memory here and could be off on a few things. Feel free to correct me. But to understand Korean Terran dominance you must include Broodwar in the equation, as it has little to do with SC2 itself. | ||
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DarkblueRH
United States144 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:44 Doko wrote: The fact that zergs had a slower econ or lack of scouting information was just masking the problem. A couple of infestors can be dealt with, 20 cannot. If that is true, it is good that the mask is off. Balance can't be based on a race taking damage early to prevent it from getting into its OP late game. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:07 WniO wrote: well regardless, stephano is by far the best player ive seen in sc2. i would agree on the fact that this patch pushes over the just ok zergs into great zergs since theyve pretty much figured out most timings + the fungals/infested terrans are probably a touch too good. Stephano, really?!? korean terrans are world class, nothing gets close to their abilty to multitask. They may no longer dominate but serious we've got MKP, Bomber, Tajea and MVP. Even when toss was struggling vs T we didn't have Parting, Rain or Creator showing true skill. Terran has long been the hardest to play and they've outplayed zerg and protoss users for the first 2 years of SC2. Dedication man, they've got what it takes. | ||
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Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:57 Valikyr wrote: Yes, just look at the games being played and it's obvious. Just from personal experience as a protoss player that rarely ever off-races. My ZvP is still almost at the level of my PvZ ^^ I doubt it. But, people claim whatever they want on the internet. Personally, I don't even feel like I'm playing a strategy game when I'm not playing zerg. When play t/p against zerg, I can pretty much do whatever I want and it's the zerg player's job to stop me. If they prepare inadequately, they almost always lose outright. This alone already makes zerg harder to play than the other races. The micro intensive marine splits, I hardly even see them happen, only marine kiting. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
Fungal should be removed from the game. | ||
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xPabt
226 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:07 Armada Vega wrote: Why do people keep asking this question as if its a mystery? This was answered in 2010, 2011 and 2012, most recently from comments made by Artosis during a recent Code S cast. Do people not read blogs from pros or listen to casters in GSL? I trust Artosis and tasless' perspective on this matter. If you are confused maybe ask them for a blog post about it, but in a nut shell: Concerning Korean Terrans:
Now I'm just going by memory here and could be off on a few things. Feel free to correct me. But to understand Korean Terran dominance you must include Broodwar in the equation, as it has little to do with SC2 itself. Maps were really terran favoured too. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:11 kcdc wrote: Who are the great foreign Terrans? Lucifron is the only one I can think of. I can't think of a great foreign Protoss. Naniwa is the best one, I suppose, but his play doesn't really impress me. Sase is creative, and I like to watch his games, but he doesn't seem like a threat to top-level players. Huk's nowhere close. MaNa in my opinion. But most top protoss lack the | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:36 Chainedsage wrote: How about before nerfing infestors why dont they buff or encourage players to actually use HT or ghosts. People like to complain about infestors all day but they hate making a unit that actually counters them. Because the unit is just bad. It's whole concept is terrible. | ||
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