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Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
December 03 2012 22:59 GMT
#481
i laughed so hard through this. best article ever. 10/10 great job ver
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
December 03 2012 22:59 GMT
#482
Why are people passing this off as a joke?

The last section about conspiracy theories is obviously shit-stirring, but the rest of it is factual.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
December 03 2012 23:00 GMT
#483
On December 04 2012 07:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
nvm



Good thing you edited, because after looking at your post history everything made much more sense.
ilsamsamchil
Profile Joined September 2010
155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:06:15
December 03 2012 23:02 GMT
#484
I honestly think there are a lot of valid points here but for people who genuinely just can't get the joke(or foreigners who are not really all that good at English) and for people who are using lolzy parts as a shield and act all mad to escape the reality of all the good parts, you should just go for a cleaner "whine" thread, just imo.

Because right now, we are seeing half of the people who are going "OMG I AM A TERRAN PLAYER, ZERG BASHING? I DONT GET THE CONTENT BUT GOOD POST" vs. "LOL I PLAY ZERG, LET ME IGNORE EVERYTHING AND START TAKING FUNNY PARTS SERIOUSLY AMG THIS GUY IS WEARING TINFOIL HAT!!! IGNORE EVERYTHING". Cleaning things a bit and going the serious route might lead to actual discussion of the topic at hand instead of random things they remember in past 2 years.
https://www.twitch.tv/ShowbuTV
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 03 2012 23:02 GMT
#485
On December 04 2012 08:00 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
nvm



Good thing you edited, because after looking at your post history everything made much more sense.


Wow, that's a great effort by you. thanks for being a fan.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
December 03 2012 23:02 GMT
#486
On December 04 2012 07:58 monkybone wrote:
There's one aspect of imbalance that I never see highlighted, but one I feel is a very real phenomenon,

Namely that people have a tendency to train harder in hardship. Top terrans practice more to stay on top, and top Zergs practice less, because there is no point to practice equally much.

A Zerg will not practice TvZ as excessively as a Terran will, this is a reality. Players have a strong will to compete with the best, and will do everything in their power to achieve this, but there is no motivation to go beyond that. There is little that inclines a player to improve a matchup he finds easy.

I've seen this illustrated on the EU ladder. I am not sure it currently is the case, but I have certainly noticed it. Kas (a terran player) is a player who practices astonishingly much. I don't know how much the top GM players practice in custom games, or if Kas does this significantly less, but compared to the Zergs and Protosses. Kas just plays a lot more games. Earlier, Happy was this kind of Terran. I am fairly certain that this is an illustration of the phenomenon that players will do whatever in their power to compete with the best, and go to the top. Still, despite Kas' many games, he is still not on top. But he does what he can to compete with the best.

I think this is the case with a lot of Terrans.

Is it a coincidence that Terran players are more likely to have wrist injuries?

Is it a coincidence that Zergs (in particular, Stephano) admit not practicing all that much?

I don't think it is.

Stephano is a special case. It's not that he always doesn't practice much, it's just that he practices a lot until he understands the matchup in its current form well enough, then barely practices in order to keep decent mechanics.
He practiced a lot his ZvZ when it was bad and it paid off, and he refined his ZvP a lot with BlinG and MaNa around the IPl 3 times.
WriterMaru
Mzimzim
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
December 03 2012 23:02 GMT
#487
On December 04 2012 04:14 TurboMaN wrote:
Lol at the terran stats.
Unfortunately Terran was also the most demanding race in SCBW, so I doubt Blizz will do anything against that. Addtionally they even said that Terrran is designed to be strong early and midgame but weak lategame.


Is terran really that strong early and midgame against zerg? The most you see anymore of a terran winning in this early game is a proxy 2 rax where the zerg does not scout. Even then they often hold it off and are actually ahead. Most "wins" you see tvz in the mid game come from 2 fact blue flame run bys or an occasional marauder hellion stim timing such as we saw with polt vs violet on metropolis (game 1 i think?) Even if you kill 20-30 drones in these attacks, we have seen countless that this does not guarantee a terran win.
Armada Vega
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada120 Posts
December 03 2012 23:07 GMT
#488
On December 04 2012 04:09 HyDrA_solic wrote:
How do you explain Korean Terran dominance in the early times of SC2?
I mean, that latter sentence: To summarize, Blizzard has deliberately designed SC2 over the past eighteen months so that foreigners can beat Koreans regularly, despite their general inferiority in skill.
It's kinda harsh for game developers and players. Snute just beat Life 2-1.


Why do people keep asking this question as if its a mystery? This was answered in 2010, 2011 and 2012, most recently from comments made by Artosis during a recent Code S cast. Do people not read blogs from pros or listen to casters in GSL? I trust Artosis and tasless' perspective on this matter. If you are confused maybe ask them for a blog post about it, but in a nut shell:

Concerning Korean Terrans:
  • Brood War terrans required and had the best mechanics out of everybody else; this is not the case for sc2
  • Other then mules, some changes to marines, and not being as difficult to play, SC2 terran is largely unchanged mechanically from BW terran. So if you played BW you could go into SC2 without much trouble.
    + While SC2 Zerg and protoss are vastly different from BW, it would be like learning the game all over again. Not so for terrans.

  • Do to the rise of many popular Brood War Terran Pros from 2001-2010 like Boxer, NADA, Flash, etc many koreans chose terran. It is not a surprise that when SC2 came out there were more korean terrans then other races, regardless if SC2 terrans in 2010 had many OP things going for them or if the other races were somewhat broken.

Now I'm just going by memory here and could be off on a few things. Feel free to correct me. But to understand Korean Terran dominance you must include Broodwar in the equation, as it has little to do with SC2 itself.
twitter: @ArmadaVega
DarkblueRH
Profile Joined October 2010
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:09:07
December 03 2012 23:08 GMT
#489
The original post is so convoluted it's disgusting. So many things are just flat out wrong. Multiple times horrible logic is employed to bolster a weak point. Furthermore, what's worse is that the readers are associating correlation with causation.
RelentlessHeroes.com
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
December 03 2012 23:08 GMT
#490
On December 04 2012 07:44 Doko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:42 FrogOfWar wrote:
I still don't understand what queen range and overlord speed have to do with the infestor being op. At best the queen gives you an easier start and encourages turtling, but it doesn't give you the edge in a bl/infestor battle.


The fact that zergs had a slower econ or lack of scouting information was just masking the problem. A couple of infestors can be dealt with, 20 cannot.


If that is true, it is good that the mask is off. Balance can't be based on a race taking damage early to prevent it from getting into its OP late game.
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
December 03 2012 23:09 GMT
#491
On December 04 2012 07:07 WniO wrote:
well regardless, stephano is by far the best player ive seen in sc2. i would agree on the fact that this patch pushes over the just ok zergs into great zergs since theyve pretty much figured out most timings + the fungals/infested terrans are probably a touch too good.



Stephano, really?!?

korean terrans are world class, nothing gets close to their abilty to multitask.
They may no longer dominate but serious we've got MKP, Bomber, Tajea and MVP.

Even when toss was struggling vs T we didn't have Parting, Rain or Creator showing true skill.
Terran has long been the hardest to play and they've outplayed zerg and protoss users for the first 2 years of SC2.
Dedication man, they've got what it takes.
En Taro Adun, Executor!
Luppy1
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore177 Posts
December 03 2012 23:09 GMT
#492
On December 04 2012 07:57 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:54 Luppy1 wrote:
Is it wrong to think that if someone played a handicapped race from the beginning, got seriously gimped by it and eventually the game becomes more balanced, they will naturally be in a much better position since they're so used to playing handicapped?

Yes, just look at the games being played and it's obvious. Just from personal experience as a protoss player that rarely ever off-races. My ZvP is still almost at the level of my PvZ ^^


I doubt it. But, people claim whatever they want on the internet. Personally, I don't even feel like I'm playing a strategy game when I'm not playing zerg. When play t/p against zerg, I can pretty much do whatever I want and it's the zerg player's job to stop me. If they prepare inadequately, they almost always lose outright. This alone already makes zerg harder to play than the other races. The micro intensive marine splits, I hardly even see them happen, only marine kiting.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
December 03 2012 23:10 GMT
#493
If this is a troll that was a ridiculous amount of effort.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 03 2012 23:10 GMT
#494
You are right on 1 point though.

Fungal should be removed from the game.
in a state of trance
xPabt
Profile Joined February 2012
226 Posts
December 03 2012 23:11 GMT
#495
On December 04 2012 08:07 Armada Vega wrote:
Why do people keep asking this question as if its a mystery? This was answered in 2010, 2011 and 2012, most recently from comments made by Artosis during a recent Code S cast. Do people not read blogs from pros or listen to casters in GSL? I trust Artosis and tasless' perspective on this matter. If you are confused maybe ask them for a blog post about it, but in a nut shell:

Concerning Korean Terrans:
  • Brood War terrans required and had the best mechanics out of everybody else; this is not the case for sc2
  • Other then mules, some changes to marines, and not being as difficult to play, SC2 terran is largely unchanged mechanically from BW terran. So if you played BW you could go into SC2 without much trouble.
    + While SC2 Zerg and protoss are vastly different from BW, it would be like learning the game all over again. Not so for terrans.

  • Do to the rise of many popular Brood War Terran Pros from 2001-2010 like Boxer, NADA, Flash, etc many koreans chose terran. It is not a surprise that when SC2 came out there were more korean terrans then other races, regardless if SC2 terrans in 2010 had many OP things going for them or if the other races were somewhat broken.

Now I'm just going by memory here and could be off on a few things. Feel free to correct me. But to understand Korean Terran dominance you must include Broodwar in the equation, as it has little to do with SC2 itself.


Maps were really terran favoured too.
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
December 03 2012 23:11 GMT
#496
Who are the great foreign Terrans? Lucifron is the only one I can think of. I can't think of a great foreign Protoss. Naniwa is the best one, I suppose, but his play doesn't really impress me. Sase is creative, and I like to watch his games, but he doesn't seem like a threat to top-level players. Huk's nowhere close.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
December 03 2012 23:12 GMT
#497
not even going to read past the title.."RISE OF THE PATCHZERGS"..fucking really?
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:16:34
December 03 2012 23:12 GMT
#498
Some comments in this thread...smh
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:14:25
December 03 2012 23:13 GMT
#499
On December 04 2012 08:11 kcdc wrote:
Who are the great foreign Terrans? Lucifron is the only one I can think of. I can't think of a great foreign Protoss. Naniwa is the best one, I suppose, but his play doesn't really impress me. Sase is creative, and I like to watch his games, but he doesn't seem like a threat to top-level players. Huk's nowhere close.


MaNa in my opinion. But most top protoss lack the multitask and micro soul that takes to execute really well a wonwonwon except him.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
December 03 2012 23:13 GMT
#500
On December 04 2012 07:36 Chainedsage wrote:
How about before nerfing infestors why dont they buff or encourage players to actually use HT or ghosts. People like to complain about infestors all day but they hate making a unit that actually counters them.

Because the unit is just bad. It's whole concept is terrible.
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