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4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily
4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily
Let's hope...
Lings of Liberty: The Rise of the Patchzergs - Page 23
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geoIOPS
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-Kira
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fighter2_40
United States420 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:36 Chainedsage wrote: How about before nerfing infestors why dont they buff or encourage players to actually use HT or ghosts. People like to complain about infestors all day but they hate making a unit that actually counters them. I think this is the opposite direction of where we want to go. That's like trying to use white out to cover up a mistake on a paper. In the end it still looks terrible. | ||
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( bush
321 Posts
And i am not even kidding. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:36 Chainedsage wrote: How about before nerfing infestors why dont they buff or encourage players to actually use HT or ghosts. People like to complain about infestors all day but they hate making a unit that actually counters them. That's a bandaid solution, the better thing to do is change or get rid of the problem ( fungal growth ) and the game will be better for it. Nerf infestors, buff other Zerg units to compensate, we have a more fun game to play and watch with more strategic depth like we had during the era of ling/bane/muta vs T. | ||
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Mr.Bimbles
Iceland457 Posts
But I really think there should be a tl;dr section or a overhaul atleast, because I was going to read but, all dat text. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
But I think we all agree that zerg is much easier to play and much less forgiving whereas terran is filled with difficulty and micro! | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
And yes, of course you can distingish between a top level and a low level zerg, very easily. For example because ling/bling battles are the hardest micro in the game, because the constant pressure and counter attacks that Life does and others are copying doesn't happen by itself, and neither do the four+ bases needed for bl/infestor build up and defend themselves. Stephano is obviously not the only one who bothers to flank. "Patchzerg" is the stupidest concept ever. I'm not even arguing that zerg isn't OP, but you seriously want me to believe that queen range and overlord speed make a player competitive at pro level who would otherwise not be? When everyone agrees that the problems lie with infestor/bl? "After all, we can see where the future is heading." Yes, assuming there will be no further patches and no HotS. And then the tinfoil thing .... Sorry, but this is a lot of effort put into laughable claims. | ||
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fighter2_40
United States420 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:39 Dodgin wrote: That's a bandaid solution, the better thing to do is change or get rid of the problem ( fungal growth ) and the game will be better for it. Nerf infestors, buff other Zerg units to compensate, we have a more fun game to play and watch with more strategic depth like we had during the era of ling/bane/muta vs T. I actually don't think zerg needs any more buffs even if you nerf infestors. Buffs to anything else will completely break ZvP unless you're gona buff toss to, but only in some midgame engagements vs zerg so that it doesn't also fuck up PvT Either way it's a very complicated issue | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:41 Mr.Bimbles wrote: Not trolling, please don't ban mods. But I really think there should be a tl;dr section or a overhaul atleast, because I was going to read but, all dat text. If I was capable, I'd neural you und walk you off the cliff | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:42 FrogOfWar wrote: I still don't understand what queen range and overlord speed have to do with the infestor being op. At best the queen gives you an easier start and encourages turtling, but it doesn't give you the edge in a bl/infestor battle. The fact that zergs had a slower econ or lack of scouting information was just masking the problem. A couple of infestors can be dealt with, 20 cannot. | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:35 awwnuts07 wrote: You're such a dumb-ass. Of course the theory is asinine, Ver meant it as a fucking joke. Then it's a terrible joke, and devalues any tiny shred of a point he might've had in the first place even with his useless graphs and snarky comments. I agree fungal probably needs to be changed. I don't agree with having yet more crap articles written about fungal. It's all been said before. | ||
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Calexanich
United States52 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
Fungal can really be the death of SC2 if it isn't changed (but it seems to be with latest HotS patch notes). | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:45 Calexanich wrote: its not like zergs are winning everything..terrans and protoss' are still beating them in matches and some of the matches tehy do lose is because they did something retarded and lost the game because of it I seriously can't comprehend how you can read the entire OP and think this is an acceptable counter argument, two sentences of " oh they messed up, and they still win sometimes. " Something retarded " like looking away from their army for 1 second as illustrated in the pictures, especially Byun vs Leenock. | ||
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fighter2_40
United States420 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:45 Calexanich wrote: its not like zergs are winning everything..terrans and protoss' are still beating them in matches and some of the matches tehy do lose is because they did something retarded and lost the game because of it Do we need the patient to be dead before we treat him for illness? | ||
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Chainedsage
United States37 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:38 ( bush wrote: Blizzard is actually really good at destroying games. All they needed to do was suddenly, with no explanation, add +2 range to queens and +25% speed buff overlord and BOOM, 2 years of balance are gone. Good job David Kim & team. And i am not even kidding. I dont think the ZvT matchup was balanced before the queen patch. It felt like terran could dictate the game way to strongly. They could go for hellions banshees and 3rd cc and pretty much guarantee that they will be able to do damage and banshees could deny a zergs third so the terran could pretty much always get his first. I know that terrans are upset but please be reasonable and honest when it comes to the balance of sc2. | ||
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Chainedsage
United States37 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:42 aTnClouD wrote: The more I look at these threads and stats the worse I feel. This basically takes away all the hope I had to get good results with terran as long as I put enough effort and thought into it. On the other hand this situation can't go on forever and hopefully Blizzard realizes that the game has to change for good. you should switch to zerg so you can win those tournaments!!! XD | ||
Poopi
France12905 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:42 aTnClouD wrote: The more I look at these threads and stats the worse I feel. This basically takes away all the hope I had to get good results with terran as long as I put enough effort and thought into it. On the other hand this situation can't go on forever and hopefully Blizzard realizes that the game has to change for good. There is still hope that the community reacts in such a way that Blizzard finally makes good changes and that HotS becomes a more fair and balanced game. Thus training your RTS skills probably won't bring results in WoL but it may bring some in HotS! | ||
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