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ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 22:53:30
December 03 2012 22:48 GMT
#461
nvm
Searching for my twin ling brother.
Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
December 03 2012 22:48 GMT
#462
Gnahahahaha. Golden. Would read again, actually will do now. 10/10!
twitter.com/pimpmuckl
vNmMasterT
Profile Joined September 2012
68 Posts
December 03 2012 22:48 GMT
#463
It started well, but I would have preferred it more if the whole article was serious discussing the bs that is zerg instead of going off track onto conspiracy theories.
ckcornflake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States53 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 22:51:39
December 03 2012 22:49 GMT
#464
It was featured after Mvp crushed some patchzergs and Nestea, who just turned 50, at IEM


Seriously, dude? Why do you have to bring age in to this discussion? Nestea won three GSL's at the age of 28/29. Yes he is older than an average e-sport pro, but don't act like being 28 all of the sudden makes him a decrepit retard that needs his diapers changed. This statement is really uncalled for in an article like this, and it's not funny.

Edit: Like others have said: The facts and analysis you provide is really awesome and I agree with most of it, but your article is marred by extreme bias, sensationalism, and conspiracy theories.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
December 03 2012 22:50 GMT
#465
On December 04 2012 07:45 Calexanich wrote:
its not like zergs are winning everything..terrans and protoss' are still beating them in matches and some of the matches tehy do lose is because they did something retarded and lost the game because of it

The thing is that zerg is so forgiving compared to the other races there's no need for perfection. Therefor a scrub foreign zerg can be as successful as an extremely good and refined Korean zerg. It's really hard to tell them apart while there's such a big difference watching Hero and a random foreign protoss or Bomber and a random foreign pro. Couple that with that after a certain point Zerg becomes unbeatable. Other races are on the clock while zerg isn't.
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
December 03 2012 22:50 GMT
#466
Really good read. I can't comment too much on the other matchups, but I wouldnt go so far as to call P in PvT as forgiving... Terrans can lose a mineral line a stabilize a lot easier than a toss can, or at least it feels that way.

Really interesting points. Maybe put forward a tad biased towards the conclusion but I think that was a good way of getting the point across ^^.

Tho, Just on the note of the lack of mirror matchups.
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Scarlett looked like she had Life beaten, but didn't believe it and let him back in. And Stephano at the GSL WC was amazing to watch. Schooled them all it felt like. Tastosis helped give that impression tho.


Also, there was a Stephano vs MKP game on Taldarim a while ago, just b4 Ling infestor became everyone's go to instead of just Stephano and DRG in ZvT (at the top level), where Stephano went muta/bling against MKP. He made it look so easy, and just rolled MKP hard.
If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
MarinePrince
Profile Joined October 2011
United States101 Posts
December 03 2012 22:50 GMT
#467
I agreed with this completely. 2011 was full of so many incredible games. Also, I think this makes Naniwa's ability as a non-zerg to compete with Koreans even more impressive.
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character." - Albert Einstein
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
December 03 2012 22:51 GMT
#468
This is really fun to read, especially after reading the upcoming changes to the HotS beta. :p
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
December 03 2012 22:51 GMT
#469
On December 04 2012 07:45 SgtCoDFish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:35 awwnuts07 wrote:
On December 04 2012 07:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I love how you wrote a super long article with pictures with snarky italicised text underneath just to make a thinly veiled balance whine thread posing as a "design problems" thread with added conspiracy theory.

There have been endless tomes written on fungal, and at this point there's really nothing left to be said. I think most people want it to be changed, be it for balance or spectator reasons. Blizzard are working on it but don't want to rush into anything and ruin a stable (arguably a little boring, but stable for the people whose lives depend on it) metagame.

BTW, the graphs mean nothing on their own, and the conspiracy theory rubbish is... I don't have words for it. I think most people who possess logical reasoning probably don't think that Blizzard is trying to boost foreigner success.


You're such a dumb-ass. Of course the theory is asinine, Ver meant it as a fucking joke.


Then it's a terrible joke, and devalues any tiny shred of a point he might've had in the first place even with his useless graphs and snarky comments.

I agree fungal probably needs to be changed. I don't agree with having yet more crap articles written about fungal. It's all been said before.

But it's never been said before with sections named after Starwars movies! That alone makes this an awesome post.

It also highligths the fact that the majority of people still skim through the OP and then post without looking at a single reply... >_<
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
December 03 2012 22:51 GMT
#470
On December 04 2012 07:47 Chainedsage wrote:
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On December 04 2012 07:38 ( bush wrote:
Blizzard is actually really good at destroying games. All they needed to do was suddenly, with no explanation, add +2 range to queens and +25% speed buff overlord and BOOM, 2 years of balance are gone. Good job David Kim & team.

And i am not even kidding.



I dont think the ZvT matchup was balanced before the queen patch. It felt like terran could dictate the game way to strongly. They could go for hellions banshees and 3rd cc and pretty much guarantee that they will be able to do damage and banshees could deny a zergs third so the terran could pretty much always get his first.

I know that terrans are upset but please be reasonable and honest when it comes to the balance of sc2.

Well before the queen buff TvZ was already insanely hard for the terran, thus only koreans terrans could get results (and LucifroN, but he is korean terran level, and ThorZaIN when he is on top) but it was kinda balanced, in terms of statistics and in terms of kor T vs kor Z and kor T vs for Z.
WriterMaru
cmcaneff5502
Profile Joined February 2012
United States116 Posts
December 03 2012 22:54 GMT
#471
do you people not understand satire? the idea was to make a thread that actually critiques and comments on the game while still being amusing and less of a mundane whine thread (which have become all too common)
ckcornflake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States53 Posts
December 03 2012 22:54 GMT
#472
On December 04 2012 07:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
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On December 04 2012 07:00 m0ck wrote:
Ryung APM 235. Sniper APM 400.


235 SC2 APM or regular time APM?

If it is SC2 time APM, that's indeed pathetic.



SC2 APM = 1.38 actual APM

You should get your facts straight before posting public messages that lots of people see.
Luppy1
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore177 Posts
December 03 2012 22:54 GMT
#473
Is it wrong to think that if someone played a handicapped race from the beginning, got seriously gimped by it and eventually the game becomes more balanced, they will naturally be in a much better position since they're so used to playing handicapped?
HoodedAvatar
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada115 Posts
December 03 2012 22:56 GMT
#474
The post clearly took alot of effort, and i commend the poster for that, but i have to say that many of your points make little to no sense. I agree that atm zerg is the strongest race, but saying blizzard is purposefully making the race easier so white foreigners win against koreans is idiotic.
rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
December 03 2012 22:57 GMT
#475
Fungal nerf and mutas buff would for sure make this game muuuuch better. Not only to watch, but also to play. When I chose to play zerg, it was because I'd like to control the map with my cheap and fast units, not because I wanted to turtle for 15 minutes.
What qxc said.
ckcornflake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States53 Posts
December 03 2012 22:57 GMT
#476
On December 04 2012 07:54 cmcaneff5502 wrote:
do you people not understand satire? the idea was to make a thread that actually critiques and comments on the game while still being amusing and less of a mundane whine thread (which have become all too common)


There's a very thin line between being an asshole and being funny. Some of his comments I found more off-putting then funny. That's just my opinion
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
December 03 2012 22:57 GMT
#477
On December 04 2012 07:54 Luppy1 wrote:
Is it wrong to think that if someone played a handicapped race from the beginning, got seriously gimped by it and eventually the game becomes more balanced, they will naturally be in a much better position since they're so used to playing handicapped?

Yes, just look at the games being played and it's obvious. Just from personal experience as a protoss player that rarely ever off-races. My ZvP is still almost at the level of my PvZ ^^
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
December 03 2012 22:57 GMT
#478
this here is a troll thread. there's a lot of valid points but you write it in a way to purposely piss people off lol.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 22:59:36
December 03 2012 22:58 GMT
#479
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ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 03 2012 22:59 GMT
#480
On December 04 2012 07:54 ckcornflake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On December 04 2012 07:00 m0ck wrote:
Ryung APM 235. Sniper APM 400.


235 SC2 APM or regular time APM?

If it is SC2 time APM, that's indeed pathetic.



SC2 APM = 1.38 actual APM

You should get your facts straight before posting public messages that lots of people see.


your equation doesn't help though.

SC2 APM < actual APM

how can it be your equation?

Using your wrong equation, get my wrong results.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
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