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Lings of Liberty: The Rise of the Patchzergs - Page 15

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labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
December 03 2012 21:12 GMT
#281
Wow, this was hilarious. Thanx for the great read OP!
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
December 03 2012 21:12 GMT
#282
On December 04 2012 06:09 Ribbon wrote:
This is the most elegant balance whine ever.

Literally the day you post this, David Kim announced a major nerf to infestors and a buff to hydras and mutas, which is exactly what you're arguing for.


Like the nerf to make psionic units immune to fungals?

Or maybe the IT egg HP nerf.

Bahahaha
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
December 03 2012 21:12 GMT
#283
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=77421

I suddenly remembered this thread
Aehnn
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany27 Posts
December 03 2012 21:12 GMT
#284
well, that was an awesome post. so many arguments, facts and figures. i agree with you - i miss the times of the first seasons, this game made much more fun this time. and it was more successfull. i also feel blizz HAS to do something in case of the balance of this game.

@ the stephano-discussion: ofc he profits from zerg's strength nowadays, but call a player like him a patch zerg is a bad joke. would you call leenock a "patch zerg"? stephano has awesome skills, and I don't see any foreigner at his level atm. even with some zerg-nerfs (which will come hopefully).

btw, i am zerg.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 03 2012 21:13 GMT
#285
I like the post but it has a few flaws.

Stephano was never a true patchzerg as he was in school and started to get results well before the queen patch.

Terran had a era where it was unbeatable and was in a need of a few patches too get the game closer to balance (looking in the TvP section here, anybody remember the 5 raid marauders who would snipe a Nexus in a few seconds?)

The else is true. A bigger patch is needed to nerf the zerg. I hope it comes well before HoTS
I am not good with quotes
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
December 03 2012 21:14 GMT
#286
In Ver we trust
pivor
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland198 Posts
December 03 2012 21:14 GMT
#287
Non-zergs: so true
Zergs: fun/qq thread
:F
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
December 03 2012 21:15 GMT
#288
Hahahaha, I changed my signature two days ago after losing 18 Vikings for free. I am too dim to connect the dots. Well played.
PedroBlanco
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada65 Posts
December 03 2012 21:16 GMT
#289
That was really entertaining
Miotonir
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland66 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 21:18:41
December 03 2012 21:16 GMT
#290
On December 04 2012 06:14 pivor wrote:
Non-zergs: so true
Zergs: fun/qq thread


well u see zergs dont mind a nerf to infestor , as long as u terran ish not op. We've been there in ur shooes as it is for 2 years almost .Now its fun times and we have fun as long as it lasts. It will end soon as all good things end.:D
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
December 03 2012 21:17 GMT
#291
Amazing article.

Very clever (and funny) way to point out what is balantaly obvious for every sc2 fan, and saldy TL have been banned people for stating this (well at least till Ryung "IMBA" rant).
Chicken gank op
BRaegO
Profile Joined November 2010
United States243 Posts
December 03 2012 21:17 GMT
#292
On December 04 2012 06:05 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 06:02 monkybone wrote:
Excellent article ver, very well written. I loved it, and I love how almost no one seems to distinguish the seriousness from the humor.

It's written in a humorous way, but I'm pretty certain he's 100% serious about everything he's saying.


Sorry Sup but I'm pretty certain he's not 100% serious about everything he says. Once he gets to Revenge of the Blizzard is where it turns more to ramp up the humor of it. Everything above it seems to be pretty spot on though about Zerg. Even being a zerg player you can't dispute the strong points he is making about the current balance.
_B L/IN K YOUREYES /1 FOR YES 2 F_OR NO
MiCa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States147 Posts
December 03 2012 21:18 GMT
#293
Nice timing of the article, after ZvZs finals. I think most people are tired watching a bunch of ZvZ and PvZ. Agree they're not even fun to watch.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull sheet. - W. C. Fields
Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
December 03 2012 21:18 GMT
#294
I agree with you in the most points. TvZ were really more interesting in late 2011.
<3 sOs, Parting, Mana, Honor, TaKe, Mcanning<3
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
December 03 2012 21:18 GMT
#295
It makes me sick to my stomach watching the better player lose to broken game design. Its to the point you can't even outplay your opponent...

I hope this game dies, it doesn't deserve to be a successor to BW.
En Taro Adun, Executor!
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 21:20:48
December 03 2012 21:19 GMT
#296
On December 04 2012 06:12 Aehnn wrote:
@ the stephano-discussion: ofc he profits from zerg's strength nowadays, but call a player like him a patch zerg is a bad joke. would you call leenock a "patch zerg"? stephano has awesome skills, and I don't see any foreigner at his level atm. even with some zerg-nerfs (which will come hopefully).
.


Stephano's only skill was getting 60 roaches at the 12 minute mark against protoss.

Also, Leenock is not a patchzerg per-se, but he abuses the current trend the most. It's not unusual to see him with 20+ infestors in any matchup. He might not always go brood/lord infestor, but he always gets 20 infestors, he knows they are good vs every unit so he abuses that to the max.
But I think he could still play at the top level if infestor were nerfed. I wouldn't say the same about stephano. Scarlett however is a patchzerg that WOULD play well even if infestor were nerfed.

tldr: There are many types of patchzergs, some that abuse the current balance and can do well even if infestors were nerfed, and some that are only doing well because they are abusing the infestor.

Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 21:22:34
December 03 2012 21:21 GMT
#297
As my high school teacher told me when i wrote a satire as an essay: "Don't worry, satire is a hard genre".
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 21:23:38
December 03 2012 21:21 GMT
#298
Man this thread really could need fewer comments in which people declare their superiority by telling everyone how very well they understand the OP.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
December 03 2012 21:22 GMT
#299
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WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
December 03 2012 21:22 GMT
#300
I agree thats its about viewers. thats not a bad thing at all imho.
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
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