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 MarineKing (currently in his) PRIME
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Source: This Is Game
You have successfully made it to the Ro8. Tell us how you feel.
I pretty much figured I had lost during that last game while I was playing but then I pulled off a comeback like that so I am really glad. I am so happy that I qualified for the quarter finals two seasons in a row and I'm even happier that I was able to avoid going through a team kill against Creator.
After taking game one, you lost game two because your constant aggression kept getting blocked.
I'm not sure if Hack was nervous or what but he threw away a lot of his units. So my victory in game one was easier than I thought it would be. Then, I decided to expose the fact that he was nervous and play game two with confidence but a couple factors affected my play that game. I ended up losing in game two because one, I didn't have a lot of TvT experiences on Abyssal City and two, Hack took advantage of the layout of the map well with his siege tank plays.
In the winners' match, you lost to a ten pool. HyuN's pressure plays really shone through.
I don't have a lot of confidence when it comes to Daybreak. I wanted to get economically ahead as possible so I didn't even scout. It seems like I always get pressured very easily on Daybreak so it looks like I'm going to have to start scouting properly from now on.
After losing game one, you decided to go for a 11/11 in game two.
If we had spawned at cross positions then the Zerg would've had the advantage, but if we spawn across from each other, as long as I'm not revealed early on, I knew it was going to be difficult for him to block a 11/11 from me. All in rushes are something I even practice frequently on ladder.
You will face Ryung to see who will advance to the semi finals and head to Las Vegas.
If I had advanced second out of my group, I would have had to undergo a team kill against Creator. Creator is so good at PvT that as long as he doesn't make any mistakes, he wins almost all of them so I really didn't want to face him. My goal was to advance out of my Ro16 group as first and I am so glad that it came true. Also, TvTs are easier than TvZs so I can practice up for my match with ease.
If you are able to advance to the semi finals, it will be your first semi finals since the Super Tournament.
I had been doing really well this year but I fell from the Ro16 three times in a row because I would end up meeting really good players. And then when I finally did get to the Ro8, I had the misfortune of meeting Life who totally dominated me. Since I have a chance to face a Terran this time and not Life, I will not let this opportunity slip past me.
You also have a chance to aim for the championship this season.
Luckily I've been able to advance this season without meeting that many Zergs. This season of Code S is chock full of Zergs so I experimented a lot of different things so that I could win against them. If I can make it to the semi finals, then I will have a once in a lifetime opportunity to go for both the IPL and the GSL championships. My performance was depressing last year but right now I will do my best to show a form that is worthy of winning back to back championships.
Anything else you would like to say?
Maru helped me out with my TvT only once. I really hope he helps me out much more than that for my match against Ryung. ByuN and Maru both don't like to play TvT so they don't really help me with practicing, but since I have a Bo5 coming up against Ryung, I really hope that they will help me. I had a bet going on with the boss of Twitch.tv, KimTaeSung, regarding my Ro8 advancement and I was the victor. I hope he keeps his end of the promise (laughs). I want to thank our sponsors Tt-eSports and OCZ. Lastly, Creator will be participating in the B.net World Championships and I really hope he can grab the championship and get a bigger prize money than me.
 IPL Fight Club's TSL_HyuNstoppable
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Source: This Is Game
Your first ever Ro8 appearance. How do you feel?
I won the first game of the winner's match pretty easily. And then the thought that I had advanced already made me laugh. But then since I ended up losing my next two games, it was important that I get a grip on myself and keep on focusing so that I could win my final match.
You were placed in a group with three Terrans after the group nominations. It must have been easy for you to practice up for your matches since all your opponents were the same race but exactly how did you prepare for them?
I also thought that it was going to be easy to prepare for them. I thought that preparing for three Terrans would be simple but as it turns out, it actually takes more preparation. You have to prepare more strategies than usual. Actually, I think I would've had a much easier time with just two Terrans in my group.
After defeating YoDa by a score of 2-0 you lost to MarineKing in the winners' match. Why do you think you lost after winning game one?
I knew that MarineKing was going for a two rax rush in game two. I figured I would block it easily so I ended up placing my spine crawler way too upfront. And then I suffered economic damage after losing my spine crawler. And in game three, I wasted my units away too much. I even had delayed upgrades. We were both at four bases but I grabbed my gases late so my tech was severely delayed so I couldn't get out my upper tier units. If I hadn't tilted and had just played like I had done against YoDa, I would have won easily.
In the final match against Hack, you won two games in a row after losing game one.
Lately, Terrans seem to be using banshees more frequently. There is really nothing that Zerg can do about that. It's either muta or infestors but you can't attack with infestors. And you can't win with a muta/ling/bling composition. That's why I think we have to tech to hive.
You will be facing Creator in the quarter finals. You are currently showing a very solid form but if you had to predict how the games will turn out?
Personally, I think I am really strong during one on ones. It's much easier to take on one opponent than play with a group of opponents. And since it'll be ZvP where I am confident, I should be able to win.
Could you tell us what your goals are?
The championship. As long as my health is in great condition on the day of my matches, I am confident enough to not lose to anyone. I am practicing very diligently these days. That's why I am even more confident. I don't know who I'll face in the semi finals but as long as I prepare well, I really think I can grab the championship.
Lately, it seems like all Zergs are doing really well. Life is the current GSL and MLG champion and you are on a fourteen match winning streak for IPL Fight Club.
I don't think Zerg is OP. I think Zergs are just doing really well. I never expected both Zergs to get eliminated during yesterday's Code S matches. Personally, I think the current game's balance is just about right. While I admit that the brood lord/infestor composition is powerful, it's not so bad that people should say it's OP. For Protoss, they do have a timing attack they can do. In the past, people didn't really use charge lots. These days however, charge lots are being used more frequently.
Anything else you would like to say?
Yesterday, Center helped me out very diligently with practice. I want to thank him for that. Punisher stated that he will retire from competitive gaming and pursue something else. I wish him all the best in his future endeavors. Lastly, I want to ask that everyone take care of themselves well and avoid getting colds since the weather's been getting much colder.
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Hahaa Maru and byun don't like tvt
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well Byun and Maru can't escape from MKP now can they?
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On November 14 2012 02:25 AgentChaos wrote:
Hahaa Maru and byun don't like tvt
Though life as a terran.
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Prime spirit so well lol MKP joke so funny =)
thanks seeker for quickly translating =P
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Ugliest glasses ever made
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Yes! Thanks again Susie, hope the Hyun interview comes soon.
Hyun is getting better in offline tournaments. He definitely has the skill so i hope he'll win this GSL. Gogo Hyun!
But i liked his former hair color better, now he sort of looks like Effort. Well not completely. ^^
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I'm so proud of HyuN! Thanks for the translations.
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Great translations SeeKer. MKP!!!
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On November 14 2012 02:34 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 02:25 AgentChaos wrote:
Hahaa Maru and byun don't like tvt Though life as a terran.
ST_Life is a Zerg....
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So glad MKP wasn't predicted to make it through, usually whoever is thought to make it threw comes in last hahahahaha :D <3 MKP MKP MKP
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On November 14 2012 03:04 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 02:34 Aunvilgod wrote:On November 14 2012 02:25 AgentChaos wrote:
Hahaa Maru and byun don't like tvt Though life as a terran. ST_Life is a Zerg....
I do believe he meant "Tough life as a terran", not "Though Life is a terran", though.
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On November 14 2012 02:16 SeeKeR wrote:MarineKing (currently in his) PRIMEIn the winners' match, you lost to a ten pool. HyuN's pressure plays really shone through.It looks like I'm going to have to start scouting properly from now on.
If this actually happens for once... I don't even know... MKP might have a chance to win the GSL...
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Damsn MKP talks a lot, I didn't even know he would fight against creator had he get second. Also, I am pretty impressed with Ryung's performance this GSL so while I'm hoping for MKP to win, I wouldn't be so sad even if Ryung advances.
As always, thanks for the interview seeker :D
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I have this feeling HuyN is going to be the kind of player that can't be stopped once it's 1v1 matches( ro8 and after )
Kinda like Mvp, his weakness is the group stage.
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oh wait .. TSLPunisher is going to retire  Another Terran has fallen
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United States97276 Posts
Marineking claims he will scout. lol. ya... ok.
Congrats to MKP and HyuN
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Woots MKP!!! great and fast translation as always. Great Work!
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I think MKP may have reclaimed his award for most hipster-y hipster glasses in esports
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turns out the only thing that holds Hyun back is the group play. From now on, the world is yours
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 14 2012 03:50 Arceus wrote:
turns out the only thing that holds Hyun back is the group play. From now on, the world is yours
Twist, hyun is worthless in BO5 and BO7 only god like in BO3 and BO9.
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It is annoying to see interviewers (or other supposedly unbiased people) implying that Zerg are doing way better than Protoss and Terran.
Look at the results of the last big events (there for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/events/ )
Last 3 korean events (OSL, GSL, WCS Asia): 1 zerg 2 protosses, 0 terran
3 korean events before that: 0 zerg, 2 protoss 1 terran (or 1z, 1p, 1t depend what you consider a korean event)
Last 3 big foreign events with korean (MLG, ESWC, DH Valencia): 1 zerg, 1 protoss, 1 terran
3 foreign event before that (MLG, ASUS ROG, IEM): 1 zerg, 0 protoss, 2 terran
Where is your supposedly zerg dominance?
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On November 14 2012 04:00 Thurken wrote:It is annoying to see interviewers (or other supposedly unbiased people) implying that Zerg are doing way better than Protoss and Terran. Look at the results of the last big events (there for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/events/ ) Last 3 korean events (OSL, GSL, WCS Asia): 1 zerg 2 protosses, 0 terran 3 korean events before that: 0 zerg, 2 protoss 1 terran (or 1z, 1p, 1t depend what you consider a korean event) Last 3 big foreign events with korean (MLG, ESWC, DH Valencia): 1 zerg, 1 protoss, 1 terran 3 foreign event before that (MLG, ASUS ROG, IEM): 1 zerg, 0 protoss, 2 terran Where is your supposedly zerg dominance?
ur trolling right ? becose if you ever watch those events you would know zerg wins over 80% of late game matches while protoss and terran wins by rushes . thats the problem .
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Lol typical zerg's answer from Hyun about ZvX :
"well if you are protoss you can, huh do a timing attack before hive!! yeah a timing attack can work, or not but still it's a fix!! terran?" A timing attack doesn't change the problem t;t.
Lol Byun and Maru hating TvT, I guess they just like TvP then.
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On November 14 2012 04:18 Poopi wrote:
Lol typical zerg's answer from Hyun about ZvX :
"well if you are protoss you can, huh do a timing attack before hive!! yeah a timing attack can work, or not but still it's a fix!! terran?" A timing attack doesn't change the problem t;t.
Lol Byun and Maru hating TvT, I guess they just like TvP then.
I guess the "well yea if i let zerg reach late game, it doesn't matter how good i am, i will still lose" stuff is better eh?
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On November 14 2012 04:18 Poopi wrote:
Lol typical zerg's answer from Hyun about ZvX :
"well if you are protoss you can, huh do a timing attack before hive!! yeah a timing attack can work, or not but still it's a fix!! terran?" A timing attack doesn't change the problem t;t.
Lol Byun and Maru hating TvT, I guess they just like TvP then.
Well he isn't that wrong. Currently, Top Korean Protoss have shown to have plenty options to kill Zergs before they reach Broodlords and the terrans aren't doing bad either when it's important. He also basically admits that Broodlord+Infestor is imba once you reach it, so i'm sure he'd be fine if they nerf it but buff something else. What's worst is that Broodlord+Infestor is terribly boring to watch.
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On November 14 2012 04:26 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:18 Poopi wrote:
Lol typical zerg's answer from Hyun about ZvX :
"well if you are protoss you can, huh do a timing attack before hive!! yeah a timing attack can work, or not but still it's a fix!! terran?" A timing attack doesn't change the problem t;t.
Lol Byun and Maru hating TvT, I guess they just like TvP then. Well he isn't that wrong. Currently, Top Korean Protoss have shown to have plenty options to kill Zergs before they reach Broodlords and the terrans aren't doing bad either when it's important. He also basically admits that Broodlord+Infestor is imba once you reach it, so i'm sure he'd be fine if they nerf it but buff something else. What's worst is that Broodlord+Infestor is terribly boring to watch.
So nowadays PvZ is like the old ZvP where protoss turtled until colossi-void ray?
Well :/.
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On November 14 2012 04:00 Thurken wrote:It is annoying to see interviewers (or other supposedly unbiased people) implying that Zerg are doing way better than Protoss and Terran. Look at the results of the last big events (there for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/events/ ) Last 3 korean events (OSL, GSL, WCS Asia): 1 zerg 2 protosses, 0 terran 3 korean events before that: 0 zerg, 2 protoss 1 terran (or 1z, 1p, 1t depend what you consider a korean event) Last 3 big foreign events with korean (MLG, ESWC, DH Valencia): 1 zerg, 1 protoss, 1 terran 3 foreign event before that (MLG, ASUS ROG, IEM): 1 zerg, 0 protoss, 2 terran Where is your supposedly zerg dominance?
That doesn't matter, using 1 all-in(immortal sentry all in ofc) because it's ridiculously over-powered doesn't make the game or races balanced. TvZ is still being figured out but Terran is doing a lot better.
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Hyun suggests chargelots. In what cases though? Infestors and roaches counter them
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Thanks for the translation! Glad for MKP, nice that Prime has already two Ro8 players now, maybe that helps with securing a sponsorship.
Of course Hyun would say that the game is fine as it is, I mean Protoss has that one timing attack they can do, lol.
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On November 14 2012 04:33 darkness wrote:Hyun suggests chargelots. In what cases though? Infestors and roaches counter them
Chargelots do surprising well vs roaches. They suck ass against infesters/Everything zerg makes late game.
But if late game you can build a bank, spend minerals on mass zealots to try and snipe key structures/bases. You can force a slow zerg army to come to you(If they aren't mining/have no tech they have to kill you with the army they have). The problem is you actually have to then hold that attack xD
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On November 14 2012 04:33 darkness wrote:Hyun suggests chargelots. In what cases though? Infestors and roaches counter them
Check out Creator recent VODs, he add them in his play and it helps a lot
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MKP: The Neo Blind Terran.
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On November 14 2012 04:33 darkness wrote:Hyun suggests chargelots. In what cases though? Infestors and roaches counter them
They help for winning with pre-BL timings because they let you engage a Spine wall so much better.
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I like how Hyun says BL/Infestor isn't that powerful and the way to deal with it is the timing attack before it even comes out?!?!
On November 14 2012 04:56 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:33 darkness wrote:Hyun suggests chargelots. In what cases though? Infestors and roaches counter them They help for winning with pre-BL timings because they let you engage a Spine wall so much better.
Ehhh when I use them they just get fungaled. I assumed he meant for harass. Chargelots are decently good for harass (non chargelots blow) because usually there's an infestor/ling composition as the mobile units. Only the lings have the speed to deal with the multipronged harass, meaning that the protoss can trade quite fine, using a lot of Zerg larvae and transforming Toss minerals into something actuall USEFUL (seeing as toss is gas starved, not mineral starved) to buy lots of time.
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On November 14 2012 04:12 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:00 Thurken wrote:It is annoying to see interviewers (or other supposedly unbiased people) implying that Zerg are doing way better than Protoss and Terran. Look at the results of the last big events (there for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/events/ ) Last 3 korean events (OSL, GSL, WCS Asia): 1 zerg 2 protosses, 0 terran 3 korean events before that: 0 zerg, 2 protoss 1 terran (or 1z, 1p, 1t depend what you consider a korean event) Last 3 big foreign events with korean (MLG, ESWC, DH Valencia): 1 zerg, 1 protoss, 1 terran 3 foreign event before that (MLG, ASUS ROG, IEM): 1 zerg, 0 protoss, 2 terran Where is your supposedly zerg dominance? ur trolling right ? becose if you ever watch those events you would know zerg wins over 80% of late game matches while protoss and terran wins by rushes . thats the problem .
I'm not saying the game is balanced. Some race are better early game, some better mid game and some better late game.
What I'm saying is that the results show that no race is overpowered overall. Blizzard still has to do something because you can easily know who's gonna win the game according to its length and it's not exciting.
And regarding your statement, since early game comes before late game, I'd rather be powerful early game than late game... Once the game is over, it's over...
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On November 14 2012 04:29 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:26 HolydaKing wrote:On November 14 2012 04:18 Poopi wrote:
Lol typical zerg's answer from Hyun about ZvX :
"well if you are protoss you can, huh do a timing attack before hive!! yeah a timing attack can work, or not but still it's a fix!! terran?" A timing attack doesn't change the problem t;t.
Lol Byun and Maru hating TvT, I guess they just like TvP then. Well he isn't that wrong. Currently, Top Korean Protoss have shown to have plenty options to kill Zergs before they reach Broodlords and the terrans aren't doing bad either when it's important. He also basically admits that Broodlord+Infestor is imba once you reach it, so i'm sure he'd be fine if they nerf it but buff something else. What's worst is that Broodlord+Infestor is terribly boring to watch. So nowadays PvZ is like the old ZvP where protoss turtled until colossi-void ray? Well :/.
No because Zerg can't build their army off 2 bases and Protoss has much better defensive options. It's a lot easier to break zerg before they get infestor/brood than it was to break Protoss before they got voidray/colossus
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On November 14 2012 04:56 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:33 darkness wrote:Hyun suggests chargelots. In what cases though? Infestors and roaches counter them They help for winning with pre-BL timings because they let you engage a Spire so much better.
fixed*
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thanks for the trans! interesting comments from mkp
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(Z)IPL Fight Club's TSL_HyuNstoppable
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MKPPP!
Got to admit, that I wasn't expecting Hyun to make it out.
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On November 14 2012 05:45 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 04:29 Poopi wrote:On November 14 2012 04:26 HolydaKing wrote:On November 14 2012 04:18 Poopi wrote:
Lol typical zerg's answer from Hyun about ZvX :
"well if you are protoss you can, huh do a timing attack before hive!! yeah a timing attack can work, or not but still it's a fix!! terran?" A timing attack doesn't change the problem t;t.
Lol Byun and Maru hating TvT, I guess they just like TvP then. Well he isn't that wrong. Currently, Top Korean Protoss have shown to have plenty options to kill Zergs before they reach Broodlords and the terrans aren't doing bad either when it's important. He also basically admits that Broodlord+Infestor is imba once you reach it, so i'm sure he'd be fine if they nerf it but buff something else. What's worst is that Broodlord+Infestor is terribly boring to watch. So nowadays PvZ is like the old ZvP where protoss turtled until colossi-void ray? Well :/. No because Zerg can't build their army off 2 bases and Protoss has much better defensive options. It's a lot easier to break zerg before they get infestor/brood than it was to break Protoss before they got voidray/colossus
Disagree. Mutas always handled that composition fine, but there was a huge huge huge fear of 6gate timings from MC for a while that resulted in muta play not being utilized. Even before the buff to infestors, there was a massive massive resurgence of muta play in ZvP. Tbh, I think the main reason Voidray/Colo was so ungodly powerful was...
1. Maps (shakuras limits counters heavily)
2. Failure of usage of spines/spores, as the mentality back then was the extra resources were needed for a remax. It wasn't uncommon to see Zergs with 3k minerals banked in anticipation of a needed remax while staying on lair tech excessively long, then being unable to remax in time as the Toss pushed into the bases and your army was completely separated. Trying to tech to hive in the meantime and remax BL was even worse due to having to morph corrupters, THEN BL, while gathering all the corrupters (relatively slow) in the same area at once in anticipation where the Protoss was headed.
3. Excessive usage of shitty hydras because the mentality was that they were better than roaches for the same supply and provided the DPS needed while roaches buffered, not realizing they completely killed any opportunity of counter attacks and aggression
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Don't get me wrong, I used roach/hydra/corrupter for a long long time before trying new shit. I eventually settled on ling/bling/muta and that was when I had the best win% in ZvP probably ever. Would stay 2 base and rush drop/ovie speed to handle any 6gate pushes (demolished the sentry heavy armies b/c toss used to 3gate expo), although it was a *little* weak to the much less popular 7gate blink stalker (less of an allin when it's 2 base vs 2 base). Tore shit up and beat most top Protosses on the scene... then the Archon was buffed midseason which counters lings, blings, and mutas and according to sc2gears my winrate dropped to 23% post patch because EVERYONE was trying them out in rushes... I went from rank 43 GM to rank 196 GM in less than 3 weeks due to that fucking patch).
Of course, unless your point is more so that before the metagame developed to this point, people were saying the voidray/colossus combo was unbeatable just like infestor/BL is now unbeatable. Then I guess you have a point, as I've been on both trains. I thought voidray/colo was stupid OP, just like how I think Infestor/BL is super OP now. Although the difference is that even with a retarded amount of resources as Protoss, it doesn't really matter what unit composition you choose. With Voidray/Colossus, the fact you lost was you didn't have time to get the composition you wanted. Even with like 6 carriers, 5 stargates waiting, 5k/3k banked, a Protoss is still likely to lose unless they can split the map 50-50. Just too many times the engagement, if a perfect vortex isn't pulled off, Zerg wipes the Protoss clean with 40-50% of it's army remaining, minimum.
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