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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 12 2012 07:57 Shinespark wrote: Speaking of changing the infestor, please change fungal's name to plague, so korean comentators can again go "PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" best preposed change to the infestor I've read all week, | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:09 scudst0rm wrote: I feel like infestors are too much of a glass cannon combat unit and not a support spell caster. They should not be able to do so much damage by them selves, but instead synergize with other units. i.e. imagine fungal that did no damage (maybe had a larger aoe to compensate). it wouldn't do anything by itself but would be great if used correctly with banelings, ultras, and any high range units. It might not address infestor broodlord compositions directly but might nerf the infestor centric mid game that lets zergs get to such high broodlord/infestor numbers in the late game. I don't think going from 30 to 0 damage would be an appropriate nerf | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:14 Zenbrez wrote: I don't think going from 30 to 0 damage would be an appropriate nerf More of a comment on design than a band-aid solution. | ||
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sieksdekciw
240 Posts
On November 12 2012 07:10 Msr wrote: Fungal is very strong, overpowered probably with chain fungals, but nerfing the infestor means almost every other zerg unit needs a buff or zerg will be perform very poorly. I disagree. Muta ling is still perfectly viable vs terran, as is vs toss, and is skill reliant and is more fun to watch and is good overall. Buffing any other zerg unit is madness, as if zerg is not strong enough already. Blizzard should not buff any unit of zerg, they already unnecessarily buffed queen range and overlord speed, which is a huge mistake queens serve as a macro mechanic, scouting tool, healing aid, anti air, they should not be able to fend off heavy harass. Overlords should be slow so misplacement can be punished more easily. Now the entire map is covered by overlords on ledges and highgrounds so zerg, which is the race with the biggest map presence and vision cause of creep, overlords and overseers, can see the whole map and see your unit composition and when you move out or flank. So no, buffing anything of zerg in place of a nerf of infestor would be a huge mistake, same as the one that buffed the queen in a month where DRG won GSL and same as nerfing ghost snipe cause of a single game used by a single player, in a single matchup. Infestors, that are used by every zerg in every matchup, are not nerfed for 6 months. The only possible course of action is to nerf them severely and let zerg explore their other options. Then we will have interesting games, and zergs will actually start improving and not only being carried by the blatant imbalance that is infestor. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
Imagine how awesome fungal dodging would be. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:16 sieksdekciw wrote: Buffing any other zerg unit is madness Yes, except the Hydralisk. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On November 12 2012 07:57 Shinespark wrote: Speaking of changing the infestor, please change fungal's name to plague, so korean comentators can again go "PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" This is too much of a buff. Remember when the Blue Flame icon was buffed? MLG Anaheim happened. Now Zergs will be encouraged to go mass Infestor so that they can get the casters to scream mass PLAGUUUU. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:51 NKexquisite wrote: Maybe the Zergs finally figured it out? No, the man is correct about infestors. Infestors were never the problem, the new 5 range queens are. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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TT1
Canada10113 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:34 Figgy wrote: No, the man is correct about infestors. Infestors were never the problem, the new 5 range queens are. 5 range Queens barely affect PvZ. What actually happened was Zergs figured stuff out and realised that Infestors are broken as hell. | ||
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`dunedain
657 Posts
Terrans can use Ghosts again late game, and Protoss can blink stalker now without getting instant fungalled. Either that or add energy cost for infested terran to 50 and make fungal cost 100. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:50 ROOTT1 wrote: if they nerf the core spells of the infestors zerg would get crushed by protoss, all they need to do to fix pvz is make interceptors unfungal-able and the mothership immune to neural.. its so fucking simple why don't we just make infestors cost more supply ~_~ | ||
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TT1
Canada10113 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:53 Gamegene wrote: why don't we just make infestors cost more supply ~_~ i think the safest route to fixing pvz would be to implement the 2 changes that i suggested, they would also need to nerf creep in order to help out terran in tvz. the main issue in tvz is that once they go onto creep it becomes almost impossible to micro effeciently against zerg. they cant control a battle like protoss can(due to not having forcefields) so they end up feeling the full brunt of the zerg army but yea changing the infestor to 3 supply would be the most logical nerf if a more drastic change is required | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:53 Gamegene wrote: why don't we just make infestors cost more supply ~_~ +1, not gamebreaking but easy to do balance. Just need this. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 12 2012 08:50 ROOTT1 wrote: if they nerf the core spells of the infestor zerg would get crushed by protoss, all they need to do to fix pvz is make interceptors unfungal-able and the mothership immune to neural.. its so fucking simple no one wants to play that game. you want to make sc2 more sc2 and less bw  | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
There where 3 possible nerfs that could have balanced TvZ : - Added range on roach - Nitro pack tech delayed until factory - Added range on queen One of those nerf would have changed the match up and made reaper still an option but not an overpowered one. They ended up applying all the nerfs instead of picking one, and nerfed the reaper to the state we know now. Please Blizzard, don't repeat past mistakes Edit ; true about the queen range, but they didn't change the reaper in response, sometime they seem to forget about some unit | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
Edit# reapers were dead long before the queen range patch | ||
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TT1
Canada10113 Posts
On November 12 2012 09:09 Dunmer wrote: Buff feedback against psionic, hence dealing with infestors/ghosts and nerf it against everything else. i swear to god ill be so fucking mad if blizzard ends up buffing snipe and feedback, that would screw tvp up | ||
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