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On October 29 2012 13:38 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol. StarTale have Bomber, Curious, Life, Squirtle, Parting IM has 10 GSL Wins among their players (Counting MC as a GSTL player for IM)
IM is the perennial TL underperformer. MC loses constantly in TL formats. Nestea (the source of 3 of those GSL wins) is pretty much dead as a player of late. MVP frequently doesn't play even when he's available.
So yeah, they could lose to a kespa team easily. Especially since without king of the hill format they couldn't rely on one player having an awesome streak the way a lot of ESF teams do. TSL's run where they basically had a team consisting of Symbol and no-one else comes to mind.
I don't think many people consider how different a Pro League format would be for ESF teams. Remove the King of the Hill format, force them to go deep into their roster to win it, and quite a few of the ESF teams would flounder, because the current team league format doesn't usually require them to do so (and when they get in trouble and are forced to, many of those teams lose horribly because they rely on one or two players to give them any wins they get).
Startale would probably dominate in a Pro League format though, because they have a deep roster of very good players.
IM SHOULD dominate, but they specalize in playing to lose.
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FXO's enxt acquisition will be T8 :D
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On October 29 2012 15:00 GTPGlitch wrote:
FXO's enxt acquisition will be T8 :D
That will be good, but fxo guys will still need a license to play in proleague. Don't know how KeSPA can solve this problem if a merge is coming, or some other teams join proleague.
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I think that it is inevitable that kespa and esf will have to combine eventually in order to keep starcraft going in Korea. For the next proleague kespa only has seven teams, one of which does not have a sponser. GSTL is down to seven teams once slayers leaves. That makes 14 teams, which I sadly think is actually too many for korean starcraft to support at the moment. I think that Team 8 and NSH will probably not last too much longer, bringing the number to 12, which is a good number for a hybrid team league between Gom and OGN. OGN could have the tv rights while Gom controls the online rights or something like that. Consolidation is only natural for sports, look at MLB, the NBA, or the NFL. All three of those are a national sports leagues that were formed when two seperate leagues came together for the good of the sport.
edit: Before anyone calls me on it, I know I forgot about Fnatic. I still don't think that changes anything though.
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On October 29 2012 12:04 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 11:58 silent_owl wrote:
In short, the way things are now, we will see teams disband. It's only a question of who and when. Struggling teams and teams with too much drama or problems Most likely candidates: T8 and NSH. ACE is also on a timer, obviously
Air Force ACE already announced their disbanding way back if I'm not mistaken.
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On October 29 2012 15:14 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 12:04 lichter wrote:On October 29 2012 11:58 silent_owl wrote:
In short, the way things are now, we will see teams disband. It's only a question of who and when. Struggling teams and teams with too much drama or problems Most likely candidates: T8 and NSH. ACE is also on a timer, obviously Air Force ACE already announced their disbanding way back if I'm not mistaken.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355060
The world's first military progaming team Air Force Ace is disbanding. The reason is said to be because Star League is coming to an end after 13 years.
On the 23rd according to the Air Force, Ace is no longer accepting new players and once the current team members are discharged from the military the team will naturally be disbanded.
There are currently 11 players left in the team and once the last officer who was drafted on March 5th is discharged in March 2014, the team will disband.
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On October 29 2012 13:35 Proseat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 13:06 figq wrote:
Technically, the team has not disbanded yet, and theoretically there could be a bunch of major sponsors around the corner who would jump on it so that Jaedong wears their t-shirt. And if that happens, the team would afford to buy new / other players.
This whole tendency to dig the grave before someone is dead is becoming annoying. If the team disbands, we'll hear about it, don't worry. Exactly. Amen. And I'm sure this topic (too few teams, sponsorships) is being addressed at the weekly talks in Korea between Blizzard, KeSPA, OGN, eSF, and GOM. They'll come up with a solution in time. The sky isn't falling yet.
These are good points. I agree. I guess sometimes the community also has to admit that the organizations involved know more about their own problems than the community.
Let's have faith. Korean SC2 is not dead yet and there is no indication that it really is going to die.
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On October 29 2012 14:59 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 13:38 WindWolf wrote:On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol. StarTale have Bomber, Curious, Life, Squirtle, Parting IM has 10 GSL Wins among their players (Counting MC as a GSTL player for IM) IM is the perennial TL underperformer. MC loses constantly in TL formats. Nestea (the source of 3 of those GSL wins) is pretty much dead as a player of late. MVP frequently doesn't play even when he's available. So yeah, they could lose to a kespa team easily. Especially since without king of the hill format they couldn't rely on one player having an awesome streak the way a lot of ESF teams do. TSL's run where they basically had a team consisting of Symbol and no-one else comes to mind. I don't think many people consider how different a Pro League format would be for ESF teams. Remove the King of the Hill format, force them to go deep into their roster to win it, and quite a few of the ESF teams would flounder, because the current team league format doesn't usually require them to do so (and when they get in trouble and are forced to, many of those teams lose horribly because they rely on one or two players to give them any wins they get). Startale would probably dominate in a Pro League format though, because they have a deep roster of very good players. IM SHOULD dominate, but they specalize in playing to lose.
These are good points. PL has quite a different format that guarantees that the presence of one player can only bring the team past a certain point unlike GSTL wherein any one player having an awesome day can win it all for his team.
ST and IM would still be very powerful teams if they were put in PL but they'd also be extremely powerful teams even if you put them in GSTL using the tournament format PL uses.
As for the other eSF teams, I don't think any of them are THAT much better than Kespa teams anymore and with HotS coming wherein NO ONE will have a headstart in the new metagame, it isn't unreasonable to think that a merged team league would be unfair for either side.
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On October 29 2012 14:59 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 13:38 WindWolf wrote:On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol. StarTale have Bomber, Curious, Life, Squirtle, Parting IM has 10 GSL Wins among their players (Counting MC as a GSTL player for IM) IM is the perennial TL underperformer. MC loses constantly in TL formats. Nestea (the source of 3 of those GSL wins) is pretty much dead as a player of late. MVP frequently doesn't play even when he's available. So yeah, they could lose to a kespa team easily. Especially since without king of the hill format they couldn't rely on one player having an awesome streak the way a lot of ESF teams do. TSL's run where they basically had a team consisting of Symbol and no-one else comes to mind. I don't think many people consider how different a Pro League format would be for ESF teams. Remove the King of the Hill format, force them to go deep into their roster to win it, and quite a few of the ESF teams would flounder, because the current team league format doesn't usually require them to do so (and when they get in trouble and are forced to, many of those teams lose horribly because they rely on one or two players to give them any wins they get). Startale would probably dominate in a Pro League format though, because they have a deep roster of very good players. IM SHOULD dominate, but they specalize in playing to lose.
Yes, IM underperformed considering their roster. However, they are still one of the most successful teams in team leagues (GSTL, IPL TAC, etc). They still have one of the deepest teams (along with ST) on the eSF side. For the Kespa side, it is hard to tell at the moment because since PL has been over, we haven't seen a lot of their non top tiers players play. Even MvP only had 3-4 players from each team. I think we will get a better idea on Nov 10-11 from the Code A Qualifiers.
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If in the likely event of Team 8 disbanding I would say that Fnatic will be brought on as new 8th team.
They're not ESF and they've already featured their players in advertising. They have a team house meaning they should be staying around for the time being and won't necessarily blow the competition out of the water with too much skill. (tho i think that Kespa players are already pretty much caught up in terms of gereral skill)
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Liquid will absorb Team 8
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