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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
October 29 2012 04:35 GMT
#61
On October 29 2012 13:06 figq wrote:
Technically, the team has not disbanded yet, and theoretically there could be a bunch of major sponsors around the corner who would jump on it so that Jaedong wears their t-shirt. And if that happens, the team would afford to buy new / other players.

This whole tendency to dig the grave before someone is dead is becoming annoying. If the team disbands, we'll hear about it, don't worry.

Exactly. Amen.

And I'm sure this topic (too few teams, sponsorships) is being addressed at the weekly talks in Korea between Blizzard, KeSPA, OGN, eSF, and GOM. They'll come up with a solution in time. The sky isn't falling yet.
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WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 04:40:08
October 29 2012 04:38 GMT
#62
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.

StarTale have Bomber, Curious, Life, Squirtle, Parting
IM has 10 GSL Wins among their players (Counting MC as a GSTL player for IM)
EZ4ENCE
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
October 29 2012 04:45 GMT
#63
OMG an ESF vs. Kespa Team League could have home and away games at the GSL and OSL studios respectively <3
"En taro adun, Executor."
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
October 29 2012 04:46 GMT
#64
On October 29 2012 13:38 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.

StarTale have Bomber, Curious, Life, Squirtle, Parting
IM has 10 GSL Wins among their players (Counting MC as a GSTL player for IM)


as well as four gsl silvers
can i get my estro logo back pls
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 29 2012 04:50 GMT
#65
On October 29 2012 13:45 Chriscras wrote:
OMG an ESF vs. Kespa Team League could have home and away games at the GSL and OSL studios respectively <3


I think this would actually be pretty awesome and potentially give both GOM and OGN a lot of views, which would be quite good for the scene. Wonder if they've thought of that already and can't do it, or are discussing it. Maybe someone can suggest it to them if they haven't had the idea yet (doubtful since both are big companies and probably smart.)
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Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
October 29 2012 04:53 GMT
#66
On October 29 2012 13:45 Chriscras wrote:
OMG an ESF vs. Kespa Team League could have home and away games at the GSL and OSL studios respectively <3


i didn't really think to much of the league really, since i wasn't around in BW but that idea so good, given me hype on how cool that could be. The more i think about it, the more i want the kespa vs esf.
Sc2 always got your back
Csong
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada396 Posts
October 29 2012 05:02 GMT
#67
I predict jaedong retiring BW and joining EG
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
October 29 2012 05:10 GMT
#68
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 29 2012 05:22 GMT
#69
Not so bright Id say
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 29 2012 05:25 GMT
#70
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.


It's confirmed that a small minority of the KESPA players are top tier at SC2, just like with ESF players? You're right, it is.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
October 29 2012 05:25 GMT
#71
Nazgul, if you're listening just buy Team 8 and make their sponsors PokerStrategy or something.
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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 29 2012 05:28 GMT
#72
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
October 29 2012 05:35 GMT
#73
On October 29 2012 14:28 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??


If GSL gave 16 seeds in code S to KeSPA players last season like OSL did, you will see a KeSPA player take the gold.


Searching for my twin ling brother.
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
October 29 2012 05:36 GMT
#74
On October 29 2012 14:28 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??

All of the KeSPA players are still improving way faster than basically all of the eSF players. A few KeSPA players have already caught up to or surpassed all the eSF players. In 6 months they will have improved beyond that.
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
October 29 2012 05:36 GMT
#75
On October 29 2012 11:13 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 11:02 silent_owl wrote:
I think Kespa and eSF would do well to work out some sort of merger.


lol. that'd be the day.



With the dwindling number of teams in the Korean SC2 scene, it will have to happen unless the scene could die or be massively overshadowed by LoL.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 29 2012 05:43 GMT
#76
On October 29 2012 14:36 Incanus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 14:28 mongmong wrote:
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??

All of the KeSPA players are still improving way faster than basically all of the eSF players. A few KeSPA players have already caught up to or surpassed all the eSF players. In 6 months they will have improved beyond that.



All of the kespa players have improved that much because they had all the vods, replays

and coaches. Also you dont really seem to understand the concept of diminishing returns.
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
October 29 2012 05:45 GMT
#77
On October 29 2012 14:43 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 14:36 Incanus wrote:
On October 29 2012 14:28 mongmong wrote:
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??

All of the KeSPA players are still improving way faster than basically all of the eSF players. A few KeSPA players have already caught up to or surpassed all the eSF players. In 6 months they will have improved beyond that.



All of the kespa players have improved that much because they had all the vods, replays

and coaches. Also you dont really seem to understand the concept of diminishing returns.


by this logic, grr is the greatest bw player ever
The Notorious Winkles
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 29 2012 05:49 GMT
#78
On October 29 2012 14:28 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??


Yeah, I mean look at how many tournaments these players have had the opportunity to play in recently! Jaedong has only played in MVP recently, where he went overall 50% against Oz, Alicia, Alive, Puma and Crank. He 2-0ed MC, but I believe those were forfeits? Flash went 9-3. Bisu went 5-7. Stork went 50%. So, what exactly are you expecting from these players who've had hardly anything to play in for a while?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 05:53:55
October 29 2012 05:52 GMT
#79
On October 29 2012 14:49 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 14:28 mongmong wrote:
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??


Yeah, I mean look at how many tournaments these players have had the opportunity to play in recently! Jaedong has only played in MVP recently, where he went overall 50% against Oz, Alicia, Alive, Puma and Crank. He 2-0ed MC, but I believe those were forfeits? Flash went 9-3. Bisu went 5-7. Stork went 50%. So, what exactly are you expecting from these players who've had hardly anything to play in for a while?

To be fair, oz, alicia, alive, puma and crank are code a players at best (most of them are in code b). i agree that most kespa players seem to be around A-level atm, but we'll see better in more time.

Regardless, this debate is unproductive

On October 29 2012 14:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 14:28 mongmong wrote:
On October 29 2012 14:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:
On October 29 2012 10:32 Kluey wrote:
On October 29 2012 09:30 Salazarz wrote:
People saying eSF teams would have 'an easy road to victory' vs KeSPA teams need a reality check, lol.


Are you kidding? The hype is over. Rain, Bogus and Roro/Soulkey are the only ones that lived up to the hype. Flash, JD, Stork and Bisu are all Code A level. Flash maybe improving extremely fast but eSF players aren't going to stop improving.


Yes, hype is over, because it is already confirmed.




Confirmed??

I wonder what so called TBLS are doing right now.. hmm.................

Not to even mention that none of the kespa players made it out of up&down matches.

So, how are those "real talents" doing ??


If GSL gave 16 seeds in code S to KeSPA players last season like OSL did, you will see a KeSPA player take the gold.

kespa needed those 8 ESF seeds to legitimise their tournament. otherwise it'd be another disaster like hybrid PL
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 29 2012 05:52 GMT
#80
stop derailing the thread
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