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On October 22 2012 06:14 Grummler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:08 Sissors wrote:On October 22 2012 05:56 Grummler wrote:On October 22 2012 04:29 Gajarell wrote:
@LoL is so easy, i can play it half asleep..
you do notice that the other team is playing the same game? It mind boggles me how someone can even spout something that stupid and not get kicked out of the discussion instantly. It is a pvp game - you get better, your opponents get better (this is called matchmaking). That you can pick the game up and not start at the bottom of the barrel as a (semi-)serious gamer doesn't mean anything.
A good way how to define the complexity of a game: + Show Spoiler +Let X be the maximum efficiency a player can utilize IF he is in perfect condition and 100% focused. Let Y be the efficiency a player can utilize if he is in a less perfect condition (tired, drunk, mentally absent, emotional distressed,...). Keep the player condition constant, vary the game. The closer Y gets to X, the easier the game.
Example:
condition= "I am drunk and tired"
tic tac toe : I can play perfectly and without any mistakes. Y=X. EASY game.
Chess: forget it, Y is probably somewhere around 0.05*X. DIFFICULT game. notes: + Show Spoiler +You don't compare individual players with varying values of X (maximum efficiency aka player skill). You compare different games in regard to a certain player condition and estimate the changes in Y. So telling me that a tired grandmaster can defeat a focused gold league player is totally besides the point, thank you. The point is that a tired GM player performs much worse than a focused GM player and a tired gold player performs much worse than a focused gold player.
I used a lot of terms in my definition which aren't clear at all. Like "efficiency". This definition is basically stolen from a text book about game theory (mathematics, not actual games i am afraid). It lost a lot of its precision due to my translation from math into english. But you should still get the point. LoL vs SC2: + Show Spoiler +Obviously lol and sc2 are much closer than tic tac toe and chess. Also "measuring Y" is more a gedankenexperiment than anything else. Therefore the above definition is nothing but a suggestion than anything else.
Still: lol is easier than sc2. Deal with it. That doesn't say much about the complexity, but mainly about the amount of focus required for the game. If we follow this definition something like whack-a-mole would also be considered a complex game. Well, i don't know, being tired and drunk doesn't make me much worse in whack-a-mole. But of course you can always be "too drunk", i guess  . I didn't want to give a super precise definition. But you need to start somehwere. And it is for sure better than saying "YOU CAN'T COMPARE PVP GAMES!!!!".
I think another way to judge the skill ceilling is to look at dominant champions/teams. If the skill ceilling isnt very high the skill level at the top level should be very close, making dominant winners very unlikely.
BW had eras where players domianted over a long period of time. The same is true for games like the Quake Series and Painkiller ? Not sure about that but whenever I saw these games played, I recognized some names.
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Starcraft 2 fans, you cant deny your....Destiny.
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So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still.
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Destiny is correct in principle, but people underestimate how hard it is to make RTS games 'fun for casuals' these days. It's not just a matter of what Blizzard wants. This entire genre has become niche in a lot of ways.
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On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still.
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I used to watch player streams all the time, but i just stopped recently.
I dont know why, maybe its because its just not as smooth as an actual observer. Maybe its the lack of casting. Maybe its because alot of the metagame hasn't changed much and its become boring.
I also used to watch the stream of pretty much every event, but now im watching the GSL code S exclusively (the other korean leagues are getting better though), every other small league just isn't as entertaining. It was okay for the first year, but after watching game after game for hundreds of games, only the highest level of play remains entertaining for me.
I dont think this was any different for BW, only the very, very, very highlest level of play remained entertaining and remained high in viewers.
Destiny is completely right that Blizzard doesn't do a good job of encouraging the casual user base to remain in the game and exposing them to esports though.
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On October 22 2012 11:47 MasterCynical wrote:
I used to watch player streams all the time, but i just stopped recently.
I dont know why, maybe its because its just not as smooth as an actual observer. Maybe its the lack of casting. Maybe its because alot of the metagame hasn't changed much and its become boring.
I also used to watch the stream of pretty much every event, but now im watching the GSL code S exclusively (the other korean leagues are getting better though), every other small league just isn't as entertaining. It was okay for the first year, but after watching game after game for hundreds of games, only the highest level of play remains entertaining for me.
I dont think this was any different for BW, only the very, very, very highlest level of play remained entertaining and remained high in viewers.
Destiny is completely right that Blizzard doesn't do a good job of encouraging the casual user base to remain in the game and exposing them to esports though.
I agree to some extent about player stream, I actually do agree that this is probably in decline not because the game itself is losing favor but just that it takes a lot to keep a constant following of several thousand viewers for a stream. People will converge on the players who commentate their play, who are unique personalities etc. The personal streaming scene is quite volatile and very competitive and I don't think it is a good indicator of the health of the game. Afterall, I have kept an eye on destiny's viewer count for the last week and he is not having more viewers with LoL or more with sc2.
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There is a stark contrast between playing LoL, Call of Duty or World of Warcraft and then Starcraft 2 1on1 ladder. The difference is that the first 3 mentioned "protect" the player in many ways and are not really stressful at all. Go on a LoL board and try to find a "game is stressful" post, try doing that on a SC2 forum, you will find one almost daily.
Destiny asks why a player should invest X hours to win Y amount of money when far better can be achieved in other games
But what incentive do casual players have to play daily and practice just to be able to fend of the most basic cheese or allin? Other games such as LoL, CoD and WoW do not ask this of any player, you dont need to unlock every weapon in CoD to do well, WoW is as laid back as a game can get.
The only aspect of these games that approaches the stress level of SC2 ladder is WoW Arena, and surprise surprise, Arena's are easily the most unpopular aspect of the game, some Blizzard statistic showed that less than 10% of the playerbase even plays Arena's.
It is a videogame guys, it is above all suppose to be fun, i should not have to spend hours and hours on it just to become average at it. I understand if you are unemployed or young enough that you have ample of time to devote to anything but many of us have like 2 hours a day for gaming at best, i am not going to waste that time on SC2 when i can play more rewarding games.
"lol ur bad noob" i dont give a shit, nobody cares about these online community circle jerks where every nerd is trying to outdo the other one in some game. Nobody cares about your ranking either, look how little respect even GM players in SC2 to get. Why then even try? Sure the pros get some respect, but i have no desire to be next MVP even if i could (which i cant, but if i could)
So why go through all the stress? Why waste my time? I have no aspirations for a Call of Duty career, i do not envision myself standing on a stage kissing a trophy for CoD "esports", all i wanna do is shoot some dudes. There is plenty of real stress out in the real world, not going to bring that in when i am trying to play a game.
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On October 22 2012 14:04 Tyree wrote:
There is a stark contrast between playing LoL, Call of Duty or World of Warcraft and then Starcraft 2 1on1 ladder. The difference is that the first 3 mentioned "protect" the player in many ways and are not really stressful at all. Go on a LoL board and try to find a "game is stressful" post, try doing that on a SC2 forum, you will find one almost daily.
Destiny asks why a player should invest X hours to win Y amount of money when far better can be achieved in other games
But what incentive do casual players have to play daily and practice just to be able to fend of the most basic cheese or allin? Other games such as LoL, CoD and WoW do not ask this of any player, you dont need to unlock every weapon in CoD to do well, WoW is as laid back as a game can get.
The only aspect of these games that approaches the stress level of SC2 ladder is WoW Arena, and surprise surprise, Arena's are easily the most unpopular aspect of the game, some Blizzard statistic showed that less than 10% of the playerbase even plays Arena's.
It is a videogame guys, it is above all suppose to be fun, i should not have to spend hours and hours on it just to become average at it. I understand if you are unemployed or young enough that you have ample of time to devote to anything but many of us have like 2 hours a day for gaming at best, i am not going to waste that time on SC2 when i can play more rewarding games.
"lol ur bad noob" i dont give a shit, nobody cares about these online community circle jerks where every nerd is trying to outdo the other one in some game. Nobody cares about your ranking either, look how little respect even GM players in SC2 to get. Why then even try? Sure the pros get some respect, but i have no desire to be next MVP even if i could (which i cant, but if i could)
So why go through all the stress? Why waste my time? I have no aspirations for a Call of Duty career, i do not envision myself standing on a stage kissing a trophy for CoD "esports", all i wanna do is shoot some dudes. There is plenty of real stress out in the real world, not going to bring that in when i am trying to play a game.
That's your own opinion. I have less than 2 hours a day for gaming and I feel it's much more rewarding and fun to play BW or SC2 than to play "noob-friendly" games. I enjoy these games because they are tough, that's what define starcraft. Take that away by trying to imitate LoL and other casual games and you take away the very soul of the game.
Playing a game of football when you're in a club is stressful too, much more than 1v1 ladder. Should anyone who does not aspire to be a pro football player just play in their backyard with the neighbour just because we want to avoid competition stress at all cost ?
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So, does LoL have LAN?
Is it cheaper?
Is it more accessible?
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I think you can discuss ui, cross server play, skill ceiling and skill floor, competitive play, view ability etc etc all day and in the end all of those things are only marginal influences. LoL is huge in South Korea and China, why? Because it is free to play. That is probably at the end of the day the only real reason why it has taken off so fast in cultures where most gamers still play at internet cafés. Starcraft 2 is designed for the western gaming community, LoL just happens to be more attuned to the Asian community. Can Blizzard get around this? Yeah probably but I am not 100% sure how.
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On October 22 2012 15:00 VanGarde wrote:
I think you can discuss ui, cross server play, skill ceiling and skill floor, competitive play, view ability etc etc all day and in the end all of those things are only marginal influences. LoL is huge in South Korea and China, why? Because it is free to play. That is probably at the end of the day the only real reason why it has taken off so fast in cultures where most gamers still play at internet cafés. Starcraft 2 is designed for the western gaming community, LoL just happens to be more attuned to the Asian community. Can Blizzard get around this? Yeah probably but I am not 100% sure how.
Yeah. Add Lan. Garena-like private servers will take care of the rest. Popularity will definitely be boosted, whether it's financially worth it is up to Blizzard. Appears they don't think it is anyways.
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On October 22 2012 15:19 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:00 VanGarde wrote:
I think you can discuss ui, cross server play, skill ceiling and skill floor, competitive play, view ability etc etc all day and in the end all of those things are only marginal influences. LoL is huge in South Korea and China, why? Because it is free to play. That is probably at the end of the day the only real reason why it has taken off so fast in cultures where most gamers still play at internet cafés. Starcraft 2 is designed for the western gaming community, LoL just happens to be more attuned to the Asian community. Can Blizzard get around this? Yeah probably but I am not 100% sure how. Yeah. Add Lan. Garena-like private servers will take care of the rest. Popularity will definitely be boosted, whether it's financially worth it is up to Blizzard. Appears they don't think it is anyways.
No it won't be financially worth it unless they can get the money some other way, LoL is not free to play because riot love their gamers so much it is free to play because they earn more money by selling points for unlocking champions and by selling custom skins. The only way Blizzard could make sc2 free to play would be to find an equal way of earning money through micro transactions.
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On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still.
You're an example of that blog about people being a slave "for the sake of esports"
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On October 22 2012 15:33 namori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still. You're an example of that blog about people being a slave "for the sake of esports"
I don't know which blog you are talking about. If you are passionate about something you support it. I can't watch both nasl and ipl at the same time but I would watch them both if they were on at different times. It does not cost me anything to have the other stream on muted in the background while watching one. It costs me two clicks of the mouse and that is all the time it costs me. I can't say I feel like a slave, if that is the case I guess everyone that puts anything into something they care about it are slaves to the same thing. I really don't see the problem here.
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On October 22 2012 15:36 VanGarde wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:33 namori wrote:On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still. You're an example of that blog about people being a slave "for the sake of esports" I don't know which blog you are talking about. If you are passionate about something you support it. I can't watch both nasl and ipl at the same time but I would watch them both if they were on at different times. It does not cost me anything to have the other stream on muted in the background while watching one. It costs me two clicks of the mouse and that is all the time it costs me. I can't say I feel like a slave, if that is the case I guess everyone that puts anything into something they care about it are slaves to the same thing. I really don't see the problem here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=334009
Yep, you're a prime example
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On October 22 2012 15:43 namori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:36 VanGarde wrote:On October 22 2012 15:33 namori wrote:On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still. You're an example of that blog about people being a slave "for the sake of esports" I don't know which blog you are talking about. If you are passionate about something you support it. I can't watch both nasl and ipl at the same time but I would watch them both if they were on at different times. It does not cost me anything to have the other stream on muted in the background while watching one. It costs me two clicks of the mouse and that is all the time it costs me. I can't say I feel like a slave, if that is the case I guess everyone that puts anything into something they care about it are slaves to the same thing. I really don't see the problem here. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=334009Yep, you're a prime example
I am an example of someone who is passionate about something I enjoy. Apparently you have a problem with this? I suppose everyone in the world who cares about anything should just stop giving a fuck because they are all slaves to their interests?
The fact that whomever wrote that blog is not interested in e-sports is fine with me, nor have I ever asked anyone who does not share my passion to care. You have every right to not give a fuck, so what is it to you? Are you just offended by people who care about things?
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On October 22 2012 15:43 namori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:36 VanGarde wrote:On October 22 2012 15:33 namori wrote:On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still. You're an example of that blog about people being a slave "for the sake of esports" I don't know which blog you are talking about. If you are passionate about something you support it. I can't watch both nasl and ipl at the same time but I would watch them both if they were on at different times. It does not cost me anything to have the other stream on muted in the background while watching one. It costs me two clicks of the mouse and that is all the time it costs me. I can't say I feel like a slave, if that is the case I guess everyone that puts anything into something they care about it are slaves to the same thing. I really don't see the problem here. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=334009Yep, you're a prime example
That person isn't interested in e-sports, this person is. Not sure where the problem is.
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On October 22 2012 15:48 VanGarde wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:43 namori wrote:On October 22 2012 15:36 VanGarde wrote:On October 22 2012 15:33 namori wrote:On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still. You're an example of that blog about people being a slave "for the sake of esports" I don't know which blog you are talking about. If you are passionate about something you support it. I can't watch both nasl and ipl at the same time but I would watch them both if they were on at different times. It does not cost me anything to have the other stream on muted in the background while watching one. It costs me two clicks of the mouse and that is all the time it costs me. I can't say I feel like a slave, if that is the case I guess everyone that puts anything into something they care about it are slaves to the same thing. I really don't see the problem here. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=334009Yep, you're a prime example I am an example of someone who is passionate about something I enjoy. Apparently you have a problem with this? I suppose everyone in the world who cares about anything should just stop giving a fuck because they are all slaves to their interests? The fact that whomever wrote that blog is not interested in e-sports is fine with me, nor have I ever asked anyone who does not share my passion to care. You have every right to not give a fuck, so what is it to you? Are you just offended by people who care about things?
You're being so desperate on making viewer counts for sc2, for what? to beat LoL?
or maybe I just don't know what passionate really means. I don't know ┐('～`；)┌
also let me quote this since I don't know if you guys really read the blog
Rather than a group of nerds who like playing Starcraft, we are now slaves beholden to the whims of a small minority of zealots who seek to proselytize SC2 like it's the second coming of chess.
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On October 22 2012 15:52 namori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 15:48 VanGarde wrote:On October 22 2012 15:43 namori wrote:On October 22 2012 15:36 VanGarde wrote:On October 22 2012 15:33 namori wrote:On October 22 2012 08:57 VanGarde wrote:
So for those of you who have good connections, here is an actual piece of constructive advice for what you can do to promote our scene. There are so many high level sc2 pro's that stream. To some extent I think top LoL players might get more inflated stream numbers just because there are fewer really recognized players streaming at the same time. Regardless though there is something you can do and that I have done for some time to show support for players you like if you have a good connection.
When I am watching streams of sc2 I can obviously only really watch one stream, but there are usually 4-5 players that I wouldn't mind watching so to let my support show in viewer numbers I open up the stream I want to watch, but then I also open up all the other streams in separate tabs in my browser and set them all to 240p to have running in the background, mute all of them and then I watch the stream I was going to watch anyway. Obviously not something everyone might be able to do, but maybe you can run 2 streams even with a bad connection.
Atm I am watching Idra stream but I also have IPL, incontrol, suppy, tod and violet running in the background. I might not physically be able to watch all of them but I can make a point by giving them the view count still. You're an example of that blog about people being a slave "for the sake of esports" I don't know which blog you are talking about. If you are passionate about something you support it. I can't watch both nasl and ipl at the same time but I would watch them both if they were on at different times. It does not cost me anything to have the other stream on muted in the background while watching one. It costs me two clicks of the mouse and that is all the time it costs me. I can't say I feel like a slave, if that is the case I guess everyone that puts anything into something they care about it are slaves to the same thing. I really don't see the problem here. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=334009Yep, you're a prime example I am an example of someone who is passionate about something I enjoy. Apparently you have a problem with this? I suppose everyone in the world who cares about anything should just stop giving a fuck because they are all slaves to their interests? The fact that whomever wrote that blog is not interested in e-sports is fine with me, nor have I ever asked anyone who does not share my passion to care. You have every right to not give a fuck, so what is it to you? Are you just offended by people who care about things? You're being so desperate on making viewer counts for sc2, for what? to beat LoL? or maybe I just don't know what passionate really means. I don't know ┐('～`；)┌
Don't be stupid. He wants the competitive scene to succeed and grow, because he likes it. So he supports it.
Gheed doesn't care about the competitive scene, he just likes playing videogames. He doesn't need to support it.
The only problem with Gheed's post is that people like you will misinterpret the message and try to apply it where it shouldn't be.
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