EPTThe head of ESF steps down from his position - Page 4
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FireCrotchRockt
United States1 Post
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On October 19 2012 19:01 bittman wrote: Wow. I mean, I know Boxer has credibility and all but Korea really is a different place. Sort of got the exact same gist from a lot of people with Korea as their locale for profiles in the other threads. Basically trashing on anyone that isn't Boxer or Jessica. Bet you this wouldn't be the reaction if it happened to NSHS. I mean, it would have drama, but the responses wouldn't be this good. Yep, you better not fuck with Boxer or anything related to him it seems, well let's see how Kespa can exploit the new hate against ESF. Also at least the drama is way better in sc2 than in lol. | ||
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Cirn9
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Seporo
France61 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Guess this is why you don't fuck with Boxer team. | ||
felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On October 19 2012 19:05 Lonyo wrote: Yeah, ESF seem to have really messed up by going for Boxer's team, and then basically making Boxer head back to Kespa. Might have serious long term ramifications, especially given the por condition some ESF teams seem to have. (Not that Kespa is doing great right now either, but more support to one side over the other could swing things). ... This is not what I get when I'm reading Jessica's initial and follow up statements. The practice block and not treating SlayerS as part of the eSF (because, well, they're not) certainly added stress to the team as a whole, but the real catalyst seems to be "Manager J" and players losing faith in the team. Possibly also whatever mystery wrong Alicia has done. The shitstorm focus seems to be entirely on the eSF/SlayerS friction, though, not on the manager that induced cancer in the team. And yeah, if this hadn't been Boxer's team, I don't think it would have the same impact. But it is Boxer's team, and Boxer is a legend in Korean eSports. | ||
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Soda-88
Croatia476 Posts
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speknek
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On October 19 2012 18:27 TeeTS wrote: haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad! Lol. You're so affected. If he had any evidence to prove that he was innocent then that would put the fans to rest. He doesn't. Therefore, he steps down because there's nothing else left for him to do. Jessica and Boxer made sure they had the evidence they needed to push their cases forward. Any defense from Coach Won? None? Okay, well then he has nothing left to do but to step down. | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 19 2012 18:56 TeeTS wrote: Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful. eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person. I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband! But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica! No one knows what are the motives, this is highly political situation. Boxer, Kespa, ESF, Jessica all of them gain or lose something from this. Whether the gain was intended or not you will have to speculate. Just like trying to read whats really going on in politics. GL  That is if you agree that was a planned move. Or do you believe whats written. | ||
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nickbalev
Bulgaria241 Posts
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote: Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics Yeah right, really elegant. Screw up and let someone else clean up the mess. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On October 19 2012 19:14 Jacmert wrote: Even if Jessica was 100% correct about ESF's actions towards their team/players, that doesn't mean that Jessica is necessarily being truthful in the REST of her reasons/story for why SlayerS disbanded. There was a LOT of stuff in there, including accusations against her own SlayerS players (such as MMA, Alicia). Are we suddenly required to believe that she is telling the truth about them, too? Next time someone tell Jessica to film her life for jacmert so he can sleep at night. Wait for the MMA interviews to confirm/ deny then accuse her of what you wish. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On October 19 2012 19:14 Jacmert wrote: Even if Jessica was 100% correct about ESF's actions towards their team/players, that doesn't mean that Jessica is necessarily being truthful in the REST of her reasons/story for why SlayerS disbanded. There was a LOT of stuff in there, including accusations against her own SlayerS players (such as MMA, Alicia). Are we suddenly required to believe that she is telling the truth about them, too? Well we need to wait till everything comes out. But this is at least 1 battle (i hate it to call it like this) won for her which gives a boost. | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On October 19 2012 18:56 TeeTS wrote: Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful. eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person. I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband! But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica! What's ironic is TSL was also victimized by this and TSL was victimized in the past by Coach Won as someone pointed out up there. Jessica is not the only affected party here and bringing down a bully organization is justice, not just for Boxer and Jessica, but for TSL too. Props to TSL, they've already recuperated from all the accusations pushed against their coach. Jessica did what was right, unfortunately, Boxer and Jessica weren't as lucky as TSL in these matters. Shiny world? The eSF deserves to burn because of this. Without the eSF, the teams would still survive and they'd DO BETTER in forming another organization with better and more clear-cut policies on dealing with inter-team politics. If the eSF is weakened at all by this, THANK GOD! EDIT: When sc2con disbanded, did the teams disband too? NO! Your argument that they'd disband as well as eSF is unfounded. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
When people lose their jobs over drama like this, it's always lose/lose for both sides. I hope Jessica is finally satisfied with her "revenge" because this is what she wanted. | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
I don't think coach Lee was ever wrong, he was bullied like crazy, I felt bad for TSL. The issue is coach Won from Startale went on a serious power trip and did some nasty drama moves. The other teams are just as bad for consenting to this BS. Jealousy is so absurd, just because Slayers was being majorly endorsed because of Boxer's reputation... The biggest victim of all of this, that took the most pain was Boxer. Poor Boxer... Our hero had to put up with so much BS without us knowing. I wish we can do something for him to cheer up. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On October 19 2012 19:11 silent_owl wrote: Lol. You're so affected. If he had any evidence to prove that he was innocent then that would put the fans to rest. He doesn't. Therefore, he steps down because there's nothing else left for him to do. Jessica and Boxer made sure they had the evidence they needed to push their cases forward. Any defense from Coach Won? None? Okay, well then he has nothing left to do but to step down. ... you apparently are unfamiliar with mobs with pitchforks. "The truth shall set you free" is a hollow, optimistic idealism that does not function in mob psychology. No matter his defense, Jessica already had a very emotional and powerful opening statement against him and the eSF. Unless he had completely verifying video coverage of all his moves and it indicated the complete opposite of what he was accused of (and possibly not even then) he was going to have to step down. From a purely "propaganda" point of view, he's in a hole he can't possibly dig himself out of even if he is completely blameless. And indeed, he was not blameless. Apologizing and stepping down however can help the entire shitstorm to be closed, die down, and give things a chance to move on so that the larger organization can hopefully recover and continue to operate, letting all the crap stick to him. (That's a horrible bit of mental imagery, but it's also pretty normal in business/politics.) Of course, to pre-empt what I can see as future ad-hominem attacks against my viewpoint, I am old, jaded, and have worked heavily in soul-destroying industries like telemarketing, telephone tech support, and security. So of course I don't believe anyone, ever, about anything. | ||
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