On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote: I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_>
So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
That's a stupid analogy.
I don't think you get the analogy if you think it's stupid. It fits perfectly.
No, because the mafia is an international crime ring, not a 'bully' in a niche industry surrounding a video game. SlayerS wasn't happy under the ESF, but a lot more people are going to be unhappy if the Korean SC2 scene disappears. If the mafia disappears, a lot more people will be happy than unhappy.
Even if you are personally invested in BoxeR and Jessica emotionally (which the koreans are), it would suck a lot more if the 7 other teams all fell apart. Especially since the players were only following the orders from their management anyway. It's not Mvp's fault or responsibility (for example) that Jessica had a hard time, it was his coach/manager's, but now he's at risk because of her (and him).
They should never have bullied SlayerS in the first place. Absolutely not. But Jessica should have thought this through a little more, before doing something so... threatening to the entire scene.
This, of course, is assuming that the pressure on the ESF is so great from the korean community that it reverberates on the teams themselves. Which I'm pretty sure it will, considering how vitriolic they apparently are.
On October 19 2012 18:17 silent_owl wrote: Jessica-haters proven wrong. I knew it. Good for Boxer and Jessica, justice prevails.
haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad!
Lol. You're so affected. If he had any evidence to prove that he was innocent then that would put the fans to rest. He doesn't. Therefore, he steps down because there's nothing else left for him to do. Jessica and Boxer made sure they had the evidence they needed to push their cases forward.
Any defense from Coach Won? None? Okay, well then he has nothing left to do but to step down.
... you apparently are unfamiliar with mobs with pitchforks. "The truth shall set you free" is a hollow, optimistic idealism that does not function in mob psychology. No matter his defense, Jessica already had a very emotional and powerful opening statement against him and the eSF. Unless he had completely verifying video coverage of all his moves and it indicated the complete opposite of what he was accused of (and possibly not even then) he was going to have to step down. From a purely "propaganda" point of view, he's in a hole he can't possibly dig himself out of even if he is completely blameless.
And indeed, he was not blameless. Apologizing and stepping down however can help the entire shitstorm to be closed, die down, and give things a chance to move on so that the larger organization can hopefully recover and continue to operate, letting all the crap stick to him. (That's a horrible bit of mental imagery, but it's also pretty normal in business/politics.)
Of course, to pre-empt what I can see as future ad-hominem attacks against my viewpoint, I am old, jaded, and have worked heavily in soul-destroying industries like telemarketing, telephone tech support, and security. So of course I don't believe anyone, ever, about anything.
I can take this kind of discussion and I admit I am heavily emotionally invested in Boxer's contributions to e-sports and therefore Jessica's connection with him. Still, he could've stepped down WITHOUT apologizing if this was just about the propaganda, and again, he did this before against TSL when the sc2con was around. Good for Coach Lee that he is still alive now with his team.
Again, to repeat my argument, sure, the MMA and Crank situations are unrelated to this but I believe that Jessica and Boxer bringing eSF down or at least rattling them is good for the teams. This is because they'd at least be forced to form somewhat of a defined set of rules in dealing with these kinds of issues. The practice ban was a vague sanction that did not come out of any sort of code or whatever. It was a simple act of bullying that the eSF did because they could.
Mobs with pitch forks? Well, Jessica has kept quiet up to now and she has managed to keep all the evidence she has needed, including emails and what-not. If the eSF was as professional as other people have imagined, they'd have their own counter-evidence against Jessica even with her very rhetorical and emotional opening.
I agree, a shakeup within eSF could help make the organization a lot better. However, if you want to discuss professionalism... if you act professionally, there is no need for evidence of the kind Jessica is keeping. Publishing private correspondence, chat logs, etc... (all of which is trivial to fake, although to be clear Jessica DID NOT fake any of it) is not a professional action. That's why there are contracts, lawyers, memorandums for record, memorandums of understanding/agreement, press releases, official statements, etc. It was not necessary for Jessica to repeatedly and consistently utilize strong, emotional statements along with the argument that she tried, she really really tried, to not blow up a drama shitstorm but in the end couldn't stay silent because the truth must be known and it hurt her so much she had to tell the world.
From a cold, analytical and divorced political science/mob psychology/propagandist perspective, Jessica set herself up in the eyes of public perception as the poor, victimized woman who only wanted to be a mother to her players and was bullied by a big organization of cruel men bent on crushing her team because she wouldn't go along with them. There is no argument Won could ever make that would counteract that, especially given that Jessica DOES have a number of very good reasons and arguments as why she was the victim.
On October 19 2012 18:17 silent_owl wrote: Jessica-haters proven wrong. I knew it. Good for Boxer and Jessica, justice prevails.
haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad!
Lol. You're so affected. If he had any evidence to prove that he was innocent then that would put the fans to rest. He doesn't. Therefore, he steps down because there's nothing else left for him to do. Jessica and Boxer made sure they had the evidence they needed to push their cases forward.
Any defense from Coach Won? None? Okay, well then he has nothing left to do but to step down.
... you apparently are unfamiliar with mobs with pitchforks. "The truth shall set you free" is a hollow, optimistic idealism that does not function in mob psychology. No matter his defense, Jessica already had a very emotional and powerful opening statement against him and the eSF. Unless he had completely verifying video coverage of all his moves and it indicated the complete opposite of what he was accused of (and possibly not even then) he was going to have to step down. From a purely "propaganda" point of view, he's in a hole he can't possibly dig himself out of even if he is completely blameless.
And indeed, he was not blameless. Apologizing and stepping down however can help the entire shitstorm to be closed, die down, and give things a chance to move on so that the larger organization can hopefully recover and continue to operate, letting all the crap stick to him. (That's a horrible bit of mental imagery, but it's also pretty normal in business/politics.)
Of course, to pre-empt what I can see as future ad-hominem attacks against my viewpoint, I am old, jaded, and have worked heavily in soul-destroying industries like telemarketing, telephone tech support, and security. So of course I don't believe anyone, ever, about anything.
I can take this kind of discussion and I admit I am heavily emotionally invested in Boxer's contributions to e-sports and therefore Jessica's connection with him. Still, he could've stepped down WITHOUT apologizing if this was just about the propaganda, and again, he did this before against TSL when the sc2con was around. Good for Coach Lee that he is still alive now with his team.
Again, to repeat my argument, sure, the MMA and Crank situations are unrelated to this but I believe that Jessica and Boxer bringing eSF down or at least rattling them is good for the teams. This is because they'd at least be forced to form somewhat of a defined set of rules in dealing with these kinds of issues. The practice ban was a vague sanction that did not come out of any sort of code or whatever. It was a simple act of bullying that the eSF did because they could.
Mobs with pitch forks? Well, Jessica has kept quiet up to now and she has managed to keep all the evidence she has needed, including emails and what-not. If the eSF was as professional as other people have imagined, they'd have their own counter-evidence against Jessica even with her very rhetorical and emotional opening.
I agree, a shakeup within eSF could help make the organization a lot better. However, if you want to discuss professionalism... if you act professionally, there is no need for evidence of the kind Jessica is keeping. Publishing private correspondence, chat logs, etc... (all of which is trivial to fake, although to be clear Jessica DID NOT fake any of it) is not a professional action. That's why there are contracts, lawyers, memorandums for record, memorandums of understanding/agreement, press releases, official statements, etc. It was not necessary for Jessica to repeatedly and consistently utilize strong, emotional statements along with the argument that she tried, she really really tried, to not blow up a drama shitstorm but in the end couldn't stay silent because the truth must be known and it hurt her so much she had to tell the world.
From a cold, analytical and divorced political science/mob psychology/propagandist perspective, Jessica set herself up in the eyes of public perception as the poor, victimized woman who only wanted to be a mother to her players and was bullied by a big organization of cruel men bent on crushing her team because she wouldn't go along with them. There is no argument Won could ever make that would counteract that, especially given that Jessica DOES have a number of very good reasons and arguments as why she was the victim.
I acknowledge your points, they are good ones. Well, anyway, I don't think this is the end of the Korean SC2 scene though.
Let's just hope for the best. I, in turn, apologize if I came on a little too strong.
On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote: I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_>
So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
That's a stupid analogy.
I don't think you get the analogy if you think it's stupid. It fits perfectly.
No, because the mafia is an international crime ring, not a 'bully' in a niche industry surrounding a video game. SlayerS wasn't happy under the ESF, but a lot more people are going to be unhappy if the Korean SC2 scene disappears. If the mafia disappears, a lot more people will be happy than unhappy.
Even if you are personally invested in BoxeR and Jessica emotionally (which the koreans are), it would suck a lot more if the 7 other teams all fell apart. Especially since the players were only following the orders from their management anyway. It's not Mvp's fault or responsibility (for example) that Jessica had a hard time, it was his coach/manager's, but now he's at risk because of her.
They should never have bullied SlayerS in the first place. Absolutely not. But Jessica should have thought this through a little more, before doing something so... threatening to the entire scene.
that's a logical failure
you should never blame the whistleblower, no matter which way they choose to blow the whistle.
On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote: I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_>
So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
That's a stupid analogy.
I don't think you get the analogy if you think it's stupid. It fits perfectly.
No, because the mafia is an international crime ring, not a 'bully' in a niche industry surrounding a video game. SlayerS wasn't happy under the ESF, but a lot more people are going to be unhappy if the Korean SC2 scene disappears. If the mafia disappears, a lot more people will be happy than unhappy.
Even if you are personally invested in BoxeR and Jessica emotionally (which the koreans are), it would suck a lot more if the 7 other teams all fell apart. Especially since the players were only following the orders from their management anyway. It's not Mvp's fault or responsibility (for example) that Jessica had a hard time, it was his coach/manager's, but now he's at risk because of her.
They should never have bullied SlayerS in the first place. Absolutely not. But Jessica should have thought this through a little more, before doing something so... threatening to the entire scene.
that's a logical failure
you should never blame the whistleblower, no matter which way they choose to blow the whistle.
Fair enough, but it sounds like you don't even care what happens =/ If any of the parties involved at any stage did something differently, we wouldn't be in such a dire place right now.
Seems so strange that all of this is coming out now, why didn't they protest earlier? Were they just trying to keep quit their internal drama and external complications? I need to go back and reread the Slayers thread.
On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote: I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_>
So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
That's a stupid analogy.
I don't think you get the analogy if you think it's stupid. It fits perfectly.
No, because the mafia is an international crime ring, not a 'bully' in a niche industry surrounding a video game. SlayerS wasn't happy under the ESF, but a lot more people are going to be unhappy if the Korean SC2 scene disappears. If the mafia disappears, a lot more people will be happy than unhappy.
Even if you are personally invested in BoxeR and Jessica emotionally (which the koreans are), it would suck a lot more if the 7 other teams all fell apart. Especially since the players were only following the orders from their management anyway. It's not Mvp's fault or responsibility (for example) that Jessica had a hard time, it was his coach/manager's, but now he's at risk because of her.
They should never have bullied SlayerS in the first place. Absolutely not. But Jessica should have thought this through a little more, before doing something so... threatening to the entire scene.
that's a logical failure
you should never blame the whistleblower, no matter which way they choose to blow the whistle.
Fair enough, but it sounds like you don't even care what happens =/
Alright, I have a cooler head now. Anyway, I don't think the entire Korean SC2 scene is going down because of this. Something similar happened to the sc2con which just reformed becoming the eSF.
At the most, I think it's just forcing the eSF to rethink the way they handle things.
On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote: I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_>
So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
That's a stupid analogy.
I don't think you get the analogy if you think it's stupid. It fits perfectly.
No, because the mafia is an international crime ring, not a 'bully' in a niche industry surrounding a video game. SlayerS wasn't happy under the ESF, but a lot more people are going to be unhappy if the Korean SC2 scene disappears. If the mafia disappears, a lot more people will be happy than unhappy.
Even if you are personally invested in BoxeR and Jessica emotionally (which the koreans are), it would suck a lot more if the 7 other teams all fell apart. Especially since the players were only following the orders from their management anyway. It's not Mvp's fault or responsibility (for example) that Jessica had a hard time, it was his coach/manager's, but now he's at risk because of her (and him).
They should never have bullied SlayerS in the first place. Absolutely not. But Jessica should have thought this through a little more, before doing something so... threatening to the entire scene.
This, of course, is assuming that the pressure on the ESF is so great from the korean community that it reverberates on the teams themselves. Which I'm pretty sure it will, considering how vitriolic they apparently are.
This ordeal does not threaten the scene in anyway. I am so glad Jessica exposed all these underhanded tactics ESF was taking. The threats, penalties, and ridiculous embargoes ESF were throwing at SlayerS threatened to destroy the sc2 scene, not her.
edit: If anything Jessica has been threatening to expose this story for a while now on twitter. Back then, we all thought she was over exaggerating. Guess not.
On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote: I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_>
So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
That's a stupid analogy.
I don't think you get the analogy if you think it's stupid. It fits perfectly.
No, because the mafia is an international crime ring, not a 'bully' in a niche industry surrounding a video game. SlayerS wasn't happy under the ESF, but a lot more people are going to be unhappy if the Korean SC2 scene disappears. If the mafia disappears, a lot more people will be happy than unhappy.
Even if you are personally invested in BoxeR and Jessica emotionally (which the koreans are), it would suck a lot more if the 7 other teams all fell apart. Especially since the players were only following the orders from their management anyway. It's not Mvp's fault or responsibility (for example) that Jessica had a hard time, it was his coach/manager's, but now he's at risk because of her.
They should never have bullied SlayerS in the first place. Absolutely not. But Jessica should have thought this through a little more, before doing something so... threatening to the entire scene.
that's a logical failure
you should never blame the whistleblower, no matter which way they choose to blow the whistle.
Fair enough, but it sounds like you don't even care what happens =/
Alright, I have a cooler head now. Anyway, I don't think the entire Korean SC2 scene is going down because of this. Something similar happened to the sc2con which just reformed becoming the eSF.
At the most, I think it's just forcing the eSF to rethink the way they handle things.
Well I hope it goes that way. I just have a feeling it might not go down so easily this time.
this isn't the end of sc2 esports or in korea, jeez, the head of esf has simply stepped down from his position as an act of apology to everyone for his wrong doings. this does 2 things, 1) validates that they need to be careful about what they do to other teams (which was jessica's main goal in coming out, to make sure these types of activities aren't repeated against other teams) and 2) makes them suffer a consequence so the media and others can point at some 'punishment' enacted on the esf.
All those jessica haters need to face the facts, if she was in the wrong about stuff, or lied, or just drama queen, coach Won wouldn't have stepped down so quickly. He knew he fucked up along with the esf decisions and as such is now going to take a less significant role in the esf.
the whole crank/mma/aliace issues are entirely different situations, but judging by what's been presented thus far, and if jessica does have written evidence, crank did say end up in a foreign team despite missing gstl time for 'injuries', and alicia was proven to be cared for and congratulated by jessica for his achievements in june/july.
Jessica is 3 for 5 now. The whole slasher reveal about mma having a large transfer fee, is being taken out of context, we need to know timings of such things because if it was right after blizzcup, of course they're going to ask for large transfer fee's, if nothing else, to stop the trade requests from people who weren't being 100% serious. Then when the situation deteriorated, and mma expressed his want to leave, she was probably willing to let him go for free, because she just wanted to fulfill his wishes of finding another team. See how easy it is to just say '90k requested, then dropped when no one bit! obviously she's a money grubbing bad manager!'
On October 19 2012 19:23 MCXD wrote: I like how Jessica felt it necessary to basically destroy the existing SC2 scene on her way out.
That's sarcasm, by the way. Because seriously, even if the ESF management is a bunch of assholes, does she realize what she's done? She might have just started a chain reaction that would ruin the careers of a lot of other, innocent (or ill-informed) people with her irrational emo dump. You would have to be insane to support this.
This is precisely why the SlayerS players had friction with her >_>
So you're that guy that thinks the Mafia shouldn't be brought down because it would increase Sicilian unemployment, right?
That's a stupid analogy.
I don't think you get the analogy if you think it's stupid. It fits perfectly.
No, because the mafia is an international crime ring, not a 'bully' in a niche industry surrounding a video game. SlayerS wasn't happy under the ESF, but a lot more people are going to be unhappy if the Korean SC2 scene disappears. If the mafia disappears, a lot more people will be happy than unhappy.
Even if you are personally invested in BoxeR and Jessica emotionally (which the koreans are), it would suck a lot more if the 7 other teams all fell apart. Especially since the players were only following the orders from their management anyway. It's not Mvp's fault or responsibility (for example) that Jessica had a hard time, it was his coach/manager's, but now he's at risk because of her (and him).
They should never have bullied SlayerS in the first place. Absolutely not. But Jessica should have thought this through a little more, before doing something so... threatening to the entire scene.
This, of course, is assuming that the pressure on the ESF is so great from the korean community that it reverberates on the teams themselves. Which I'm pretty sure it will, considering how vitriolic they apparently are.
This ordeal does not threaten the scene in anyway. I am so glad Jessica exposed all these underhanded tactics ESF was taking. The threats, penalties, and ridiculous embargoes ESF were throwing at SlayerS threatened to destroy the sc2 scene, not her.
If eSF damaged the scene by malice, then SlayerS damaged it by incompetence. I better negotiator probably would have gotten out of that mess, and a better manager would spot internal problems quicker.
On October 19 2012 19:34 zenkicker wrote: Now Won has left, can anyone lift the ban on Kespa hiring esf players?
Well the ESF still exists right? And I'm pretty sure it wasn't a dictatorship. The ban was a joint decision and clearly in all the ESF team's best interests since they can't be bullied into extinction with the typically greater financial support of a Kespa team. Honestly I expect the ban was pretty unanimous.
EDIT: Hey Boss. Hope things work out alright, would as always like to hear your two cents
On October 19 2012 18:17 silent_owl wrote: Jessica-haters proven wrong. I knew it. Good for Boxer and Jessica, justice prevails.
haha you don't know how this world works, do you? He stepped down, because of the pressure that ignorant fans put on him, believing everything they are said first without thinking "what?" and "why?". He is a scapegoat to calm down the athmosphere, nothing more nothing less. This proves nothing, especially not justice. But yeah, live on in your shiny world of good and bad!
Lol. You're so affected. If he had any evidence to prove that he was innocent then that would put the fans to rest. He doesn't. Therefore, he steps down because there's nothing else left for him to do. Jessica and Boxer made sure they had the evidence they needed to push their cases forward.
Any defense from Coach Won? None? Okay, well then he has nothing left to do but to step down.
... you apparently are unfamiliar with mobs with pitchforks. "The truth shall set you free" is a hollow, optimistic idealism that does not function in mob psychology. No matter his defense, Jessica already had a very emotional and powerful opening statement against him and the eSF. Unless he had completely verifying video coverage of all his moves and it indicated the complete opposite of what he was accused of (and possibly not even then) he was going to have to step down. From a purely "propaganda" point of view, he's in a hole he can't possibly dig himself out of even if he is completely blameless.
And indeed, he was not blameless. Apologizing and stepping down however can help the entire shitstorm to be closed, die down, and give things a chance to move on so that the larger organization can hopefully recover and continue to operate, letting all the crap stick to him. (That's a horrible bit of mental imagery, but it's also pretty normal in business/politics.)
Of course, to pre-empt what I can see as future ad-hominem attacks against my viewpoint, I am old, jaded, and have worked heavily in soul-destroying industries like telemarketing, telephone tech support, and security. So of course I don't believe anyone, ever, about anything.
I can take this kind of discussion and I admit I am heavily emotionally invested in Boxer's contributions to e-sports and therefore Jessica's connection with him. Still, he could've stepped down WITHOUT apologizing if this was just about the propaganda, and again, he did this before against TSL when the sc2con was around. Good for Coach Lee that he is still alive now with his team.
Again, to repeat my argument, sure, the MMA and Crank situations are unrelated to this but I believe that Jessica and Boxer bringing eSF down or at least rattling them is good for the teams. This is because they'd at least be forced to form somewhat of a defined set of rules in dealing with these kinds of issues. The practice ban was a vague sanction that did not come out of any sort of code or whatever. It was a simple act of bullying that the eSF did because they could.
Mobs with pitch forks? Well, Jessica has kept quiet up to now and she has managed to keep all the evidence she has needed, including emails and what-not. If the eSF was as professional as other people have imagined, they'd have their own counter-evidence against Jessica even with her very rhetorical and emotional opening.
I agree, a shakeup within eSF could help make the organization a lot better. However, if you want to discuss professionalism... if you act professionally, there is no need for evidence of the kind Jessica is keeping. Publishing private correspondence, chat logs, etc... (all of which is trivial to fake, although to be clear Jessica DID NOT fake any of it) is not a professional action. That's why there are contracts, lawyers, memorandums for record, memorandums of understanding/agreement, press releases, official statements, etc. It was not necessary for Jessica to repeatedly and consistently utilize strong, emotional statements along with the argument that she tried, she really really tried, to not blow up a drama shitstorm but in the end couldn't stay silent because the truth must be known and it hurt her so much she had to tell the world.
From a cold, analytical and divorced political science/mob psychology/propagandist perspective, Jessica set herself up in the eyes of public perception as the poor, victimized woman who only wanted to be a mother to her players and was bullied by a big organization of cruel men bent on crushing her team because she wouldn't go along with them. There is no argument Won could ever make that would counteract that, especially given that Jessica DOES have a number of very good reasons and arguments as why she was the victim.
I acknowledge your points, they are good ones. Well, anyway, I don't think this is the end of the Korean SC2 scene though.
Let's just hope for the best. I, in turn, apologize if I came on a little too strong.
It's an emotional subject, and it's pretty bad all around. No worries. I agree, let's hope for the best to come out of all of this.
Now, see, if we could just convince all the teams to communicate like this maybe things would go better... :D
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