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The head of ESF steps down from his position - Page 8

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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
October 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#141
On October 19 2012 20:12 Sent. wrote:
"I am truly sorry to Team Slayers" hahahahahaa... It's ridiculous. He's very sorry not because he did bad stuff, but because bad stuff was revealed.


The irony of life!
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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 11:41:25
October 19 2012 11:40 GMT
#142
On October 19 2012 20:00 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 19:19 silent_owl wrote:
On October 19 2012 18:56 TeeTS wrote:
On October 19 2012 18:49 Telcontar wrote:
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change.


Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful.
eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person.
I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband!

But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica!


What's ironic is TSL was also victimized by this and TSL was victimized in the past by Coach Won as someone pointed out up there.

Jessica is not the only affected party here and bringing down a bully organization is justice, not just for Boxer and Jessica, but for TSL too. Props to TSL, they've already recuperated from all the accusations pushed against their coach. Jessica did what was right, unfortunately, Boxer and Jessica weren't as lucky as TSL in these matters.

Shiny world? The eSF deserves to burn because of this. Without the eSF, the teams would still survive and they'd DO BETTER in forming another organization with better and more clear-cut policies on dealing with inter-team politics. If the eSF is weakened at all by this, THANK GOD!

EDIT: When sc2con disbanded, did the teams disband too? NO! Your argument that they'd disband as well as eSF is unfounded.


TSL is a miracle. they lost fd,trickster, killer, puma, alive, jyp, clide.... dunni how coach lee did it. i think slayers had the potential to bounce back with miya, arthur, miso, genius etc. but yeah... would have been hard


Maybe because coach lee focused on rebuilding the team instead of dumping a 10 meg emo broadcast all over the interwebs

Edit: Actually maybe TSL should get the 'incredible miracle' moniker
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 19 2012 11:43 GMT
#143
I regained a little respect for the ESF now...

Glad to see at least the puzzle is coming together.
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
October 19 2012 11:47 GMT
#144
as others have said, this kind of smells like a political damage control move rather than a genuinely right one, but I don't know if we'll ever know which one it is (nor do I know Korean culture enough to say with any authority). What it does say however is that there was indeed some legitimacy to Jessica's claims.
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Mefano
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden190 Posts
October 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#145
I guess everyone that wanted to blame Jessica for everything will have to bite their tounge.

Honestly it's really brave of someone to accept responsibility for their actions. To even step down from his position? It's sad that it's come to this but Won really rose in my eyes now. I just wish the ESF players that accepted the "no practice" orders without a fight would issue an apology, because it's a shame some didnt.

TeeTS, nice of you to laugh in this situation, but even if he is a scapegoat this proves Jessica was right. I guess you just can't accept that. But the saddest thing is that she will come out okay, and so will Won. The only ones that will be affected in the long run by the actions of ESF and Jessica are the SlayerS players, which if you believe some sources werent all that innocent either.
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bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
October 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#146
On October 19 2012 18:13 Sub40APM wrote:
so...Jessica was right...Esports federation + some slayers members killed Boxers team ?


+ Jessica's poor management
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MrShankly
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom371 Posts
October 19 2012 11:52 GMT
#147
Wow that is ridiculous, Can't believe it was true.. thats kinda crazy...
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Mutalisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
288 Posts
October 19 2012 12:07 GMT
#148
I don't care about his apology. The damage is already done and all this situation caused all this ruckus and shattered boxers dream. I won't even forgive him or ESF teams who participated in that embargo.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
October 19 2012 12:11 GMT
#149
Interesting, I knew it couldn't be Jessica's fault with the way she openly publicized this blitzkrieg style, I had originally thought she may not be malicious, but certainly incompenent

Confession b the IEF says differently though, clearly they intentionally tried to ostricized Slayers, one factor to Jessica and Boxer's woes
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
October 19 2012 12:11 GMT
#150
On October 19 2012 20:40 mikedebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 20:00 farnham wrote:
On October 19 2012 19:19 silent_owl wrote:
On October 19 2012 18:56 TeeTS wrote:
On October 19 2012 18:49 Telcontar wrote:
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change.


Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful.
eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person.
I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband!

But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica!


What's ironic is TSL was also victimized by this and TSL was victimized in the past by Coach Won as someone pointed out up there.

Jessica is not the only affected party here and bringing down a bully organization is justice, not just for Boxer and Jessica, but for TSL too. Props to TSL, they've already recuperated from all the accusations pushed against their coach. Jessica did what was right, unfortunately, Boxer and Jessica weren't as lucky as TSL in these matters.

Shiny world? The eSF deserves to burn because of this. Without the eSF, the teams would still survive and they'd DO BETTER in forming another organization with better and more clear-cut policies on dealing with inter-team politics. If the eSF is weakened at all by this, THANK GOD!

EDIT: When sc2con disbanded, did the teams disband too? NO! Your argument that they'd disband as well as eSF is unfounded.


TSL is a miracle. they lost fd,trickster, killer, puma, alive, jyp, clide.... dunni how coach lee did it. i think slayers had the potential to bounce back with miya, arthur, miso, genius etc. but yeah... would have been hard


Maybe because coach lee focused on rebuilding the team instead of dumping a 10 meg emo broadcast all over the interwebs

Edit: Actually maybe TSL should get the 'incredible miracle' moniker

No, he threw a massive bitchfit all across the interwebs first (alive etc. drama). Why do people make out that Jessica has been the only one to take this route =/
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Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
October 19 2012 12:11 GMT
#151
One thing I still don't understand about this kind of situation these days- everytime something like this happens, someone writes out a short apology and steps down to dodge the hail storm rather than actually shouldering the responsibility of fixing the mess they have created... If everything worked that way, the entire world would be 'third-world'...
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 19 2012 12:13 GMT
#152
Hi guys. I'm not that updated with esports news. Could I have a very very short simple summary of what happened? Or a link to where I can possibly find it without searching through the pages?
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 12:14:21
October 19 2012 12:13 GMT
#153
On October 19 2012 21:11 Logginurkeyz wrote:
One thing I still don't understand about this kind of situation these days- everytime something like this happens, someone writes out a short apology and steps down to dodge the hail storm rather than actually shouldering the responsibility of fixing the mess they have created... If everything worked that way, the entire world would be 'third-world'...

A third party can't exactly un-disband a team rofl

This is taking about as much responsibility as possible. "I fucked up, I shouldn't keep doing this. Here, this guy will do it better".
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Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
October 19 2012 12:13 GMT
#154
On October 19 2012 20:48 bearhug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 18:13 Sub40APM wrote:
so...Jessica was right...Esports federation + some slayers members killed Boxers team ?


+ Jessica's poor management


what else did she do poorly besides allowing mr J to sabotage everything he touched?
Gianttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands194 Posts
October 19 2012 12:13 GMT
#155
I didn't really understand why he stepped out of his position still. Due the conflict yeah, but he was very serious (atleast this looked like it) in apologizing for what happened. People make mistakes.
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OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
October 19 2012 12:16 GMT
#156
On October 19 2012 21:13 Gianttt wrote:
I didn't really understand why he stepped out of his position still. Due the conflict yeah, but he was very serious (atleast this looked like it) in apologizing for what happened. People make mistakes.

not the first time. he fucked with tsl previously.
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YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
October 19 2012 12:16 GMT
#157
I have no reason to accept your apology.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 19 2012 12:17 GMT
#158
But they're sorry for what. I read op and I see 'i am sorry", but about what ?
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
October 19 2012 12:17 GMT
#159
This drama ended just move on.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 19 2012 12:23 GMT
#160
Drama is drama, to bad it's only a small part of why SlayerS got this messed up.
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