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On October 19 2012 21:17 MrCon wrote:
But they're sorry for what. I read op and I see 'i am sorry", but about what ?
From the translation that I read, they're sorry about the restrictions on practice. "No matter the reason, no matter the length of time, it was wrong of us to put the order to restrict practice with the Slayers players." And then he says that it's a wrong decision made, and about the damage caused to the team and Kim Ga Yeon, and apologises for that.
Apart from that, the rest of the translation I read is kinda similar to the one in the OP. Of course, I'm not 100% certain about the translation I'm reading, so maybe someone who reads Korean could verify this, or dispel it.
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On October 19 2012 21:11 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 20:40 mikedebo wrote:On October 19 2012 20:00 farnham wrote:On October 19 2012 19:19 silent_owl wrote:On October 19 2012 18:56 TeeTS wrote:On October 19 2012 18:49 Telcontar wrote:
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change. Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful. eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person. I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband!But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica! What's ironic is TSL was also victimized by this and TSL was victimized in the past by Coach Won as someone pointed out up there. Jessica is not the only affected party here and bringing down a bully organization is justice, not just for Boxer and Jessica, but for TSL too. Props to TSL, they've already recuperated from all the accusations pushed against their coach. Jessica did what was right, unfortunately, Boxer and Jessica weren't as lucky as TSL in these matters. Shiny world? The eSF deserves to burn because of this. Without the eSF, the teams would still survive and they'd DO BETTER in forming another organization with better and more clear-cut policies on dealing with inter-team politics. If the eSF is weakened at all by this, THANK GOD! EDIT: When sc2con disbanded, did the teams disband too? NO! Your argument that they'd disband as well as eSF is unfounded. TSL is a miracle. they lost fd,trickster, killer, puma, alive, jyp, clide.... dunni how coach lee did it. i think slayers had the potential to bounce back with miya, arthur, miso, genius etc. but yeah... would have been hard Maybe because coach lee focused on rebuilding the team instead of dumping a 10 meg emo broadcast all over the interwebs Edit: Actually maybe TSL should get the 'incredible miracle' moniker  No, he threw a massive bitchfit all across the interwebs first (alive etc. drama). Why do people make out that Jessica has been the only one to take this route =/
Oh yeah you're totally right on that count -- lol L2google, me.
Maybe ESF should focus on providing coaches and all community-facing members lessons in business communication and like, basic etiquette :S
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Guess Jessica got what she wanted.
On October 19 2012 21:17 MrCon wrote:
But they're sorry for what. I read op and I see 'i am sorry", but about what ?
Somehow i have a feeling he/they are afraid of being sued. But who knows lol
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They're sorry for messing with Jessica.
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Man I am really beginning to dislike Slayers. Well ex-Slayers and particularly Jessica. She is basically leaving a trail of tears behind her.
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On October 19 2012 21:27 redviper wrote:
Man I am really beginning to dislike Slayers. Well ex-Slayers and particularly Jessica. She is basically leaving a trail of tears behind her.
Can't blame her.
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On October 19 2012 20:20 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 20:15 Enearde wrote:On October 19 2012 20:00 Lonyo wrote:On October 19 2012 19:50 FXOBoSs wrote:On October 19 2012 19:41 MCXD wrote:On October 19 2012 19:39 ragz_gt wrote:
Wait... Lee Hyung Sub is Choya right?
Why is his name on there and not Boss'? Because Choya is FXO's representative in the ESF? I do wonder if Boss/Unstable was aware of this going on, though. Not aware, and extremely pissed. It's OK, if you need a new coach I hear there's this guy called Cella who is pretty awesome and might be looking for a team if he's planning to continue in Starcraft. Choya is a very good coach and all around good player. He looks like a very genuine person. Esf did badly but there is no reason to fuck someone's life over just to calm the kids down. It's not like SlayerS disbanded for the sole reason Esf did some bullying, it's a combination of things like this J manager guy + gullible players + Esf bullying etc etc. Esf admitted their fault through their head representative who stepped down and apologize, no need to sanction this further IMO. It's already bad enough we lost a team, the pitchforks have to be brought down now. the thing is that the same shit happened with tsl.. they accused him and when the facts were revealed coach won steppes down and organized a new association soon afterwards
TSL is part of ESF, was part of sc2con, and whenever there were no organization/federation or whatever, the coaches still got together and came to a consensus. They had their own issues with sc2con but they were still part of it.
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wow, this is bad politics.. head steps down and everything continues as it did so far.. nothing will change, this was only the best and easiest way out..
pathetic
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Korean bussiness and politics are always so insane O_o.
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Good to see that this is happening. Backs Jessica and her story up. Now we wait, again.
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Although Boxer has not commented publicly on this, I think it is apparent that Jessica is speaking with his blessing. I cannot imagine Boxer would allow Jessica to go on the record and make these claims and statements, if he did not think they were accurate. If she was misrepresenting things, Boxer could gag her or contradict her, but he has done neither, which to me implies he agrees with her statements. Boxer's silence infers that Jessica is telling the truth, as he sees it. So while it is Jessica who is speaking about these things, in effect it is also Boxer.
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Coach Won was just a scapegoat. So who is leading eSF from the shadows, in their quest to eliminate all opposition and become Neo Kespa? Is it NesTea? Coach Kang? Scoots? Or is it the elusive "Manager J"? Only time will tell.
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On October 19 2012 21:42 Zane wrote:
Coach Won was just a scapegoat. So who is leading eSF from the shadows, in their quest to eliminate all opposition and become Neo Kespa? Is it NesTea? Coach Kang? Scoots? Or is it the elusive "Manager J"? Only time will tell.
I, for one, would like to ask Nestea why he is dreaming such a complex dream for us. What are you trying to teach us, Nestea?!?!
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On October 19 2012 18:56 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 18:49 Telcontar wrote:
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change. Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful. eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person. I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband!But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica!
Is this kid serious...
SO YOUR TELLING ME IF YOUR TEAM WAS FUCKED OVER YOU WOULD STAY QUIET!!!
If anyone has these stupid comments, post them on reddit or even better, on a piece of paper written in your diary! I am sick of hearing them T.T
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On October 19 2012 20:12 Sent. wrote:
"I am truly sorry to Team Slayers" hahahahahaa... It's ridiculous. He's very sorry not because he did bad stuff, but because bad stuff was revealed.
Nailed it!
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On October 19 2012 21:51 PiPoGevy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 18:56 TeeTS wrote:On October 19 2012 18:49 Telcontar wrote:
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change. Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful. eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person. I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband!But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica! Is this kid serious... SO YOUR TELLING ME IF YOUR TEAM WAS FUCKED OVER YOU WOULD STAY QUIET!!! If anyone has these stupid comments, post them on reddit or even better, on a piece of paper written in your diary! I am sick of hearing them T.T
Couldn't agree more and this just proves, how immature and childish our community is overall... This OR there really are lot's of people with a serious fucked up state of mind.
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Korean drama  Still better than twilight
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Honorable that he stepped down, but I feel that his apology should have included more details to exactly what he was apologizing for. The way he worded it, it makes it look like he was guilty of everything. Also it seems that he is implicating the other managers.
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Shitstorm on Korean SC2 scene has been delivered...
in first instance, eSF was never be ruled for a coach, who is in charge of an active team, if Coach Won wanted (or if he was designated to) that position, he should leave to be coach of ST.
Second, eSF most important feature is the free they give to their teams, so, I supose that teams also have free will to do whatever they want, but it wasn't...
I want to know, if the idea to boycott OSL was a really thought of eSF players, of only Coach Won judgement.
in the end, KeSPA and eSF aren't so different after all...
(Sorry for my english, is really bad, but I don't like use goggle translator, so I can learn more and faster from my mistakes :D)
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Interesting how people are mad at Jessica still, now for exposing the truth ^^ Shows that this community still has a long way to go...
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