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elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
October 21 2012 23:56 GMT
#401
Good that u leave, hope everyone Will avoid you for a few months so u know how they felt in Slayers!

How dare you do something like this against the emperor himself?
Kaz_Coaching
Profile Joined October 2010
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 03:52:56
October 22 2012 03:45 GMT
#402
Korean public backlash has to be huge. This is The Emperor's team and all his hard work and money that they have destroyed. Boxed is a beloved public figure. This is an e-sports equivalent to Tonya Harding's attack on Nancy Kerrigan in 1994. That ended with one accomplice serving 18 months for rackateering, Nancy was forced into retirement, fined 180,000$, served 3 years probation and 500 hours community service. Her previous olympic gold metal was also stripped.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding
Harding became notorious in conjunction with the January 6, 1994 attack on her competitor Nancy Kerrigan. The widely publicized attack took place during a practice session for the 1994 U.S. Figure Skating Championships in Detroit. Her ex-husband, Jeff Gillooly, and her bodyguard, Shawn Eckhardt,[2] hired Shane Stant to break Kerrigan's right leg so that she would be unable to skate. He followed her to Detroit after failing to find her at her training rink in Massachusetts, and struck her on the thigh a few inches above the knee with a tire iron from a rental car.[24] Her leg was only bruised, not broken, but the injury forced her to withdraw from the national championship. Harding won that event, and they both were selected for the 1994 Olympic team. After Harding admitted to helping to cover up the attack, the USFSA and United States Olympic Committee initiated proceedings to remove her from the Olympic team, but she retained her place after threatening legal action.[25] She finished eighth in Lillehammer, while Kerrigan, by then fully recovered from the injury, won the silver medal.

The attack on Kerrigan and the news of Harding's alleged involvement led to a media frenzy of saturation news coverage. She appeared on the cover of both Time and Newsweek magazines in January 1994. Reporters and TV news crews attended her practices in Portland and camped out in front of Kerrigan's home. CBS assigned Connie Chung to follow her every move in Lillehammer. Counting 400 members of the press jammed into the practice rink in Norway, Scott Hamilton complained that "the world press was turning the Olympics into just another sensational tabloid event".[26] The tape-delayed broadcast of the short program at the Olympics remains one of the most watched telecasts in American history.[27]

On February 1, 1994, Gillooly accepted a plea bargain in exchange for his testimony against Harding. Gillooly, Stant, Eckhardt, and getaway car driver Derrick Smith all served time in prison for the attack.[28] Eckhardt was sentenced to 18 months in prison for racketeering but was released four months early in September 1995.[2]

Harding avoided further prosecution and a possible jail sentence by pleading guilty on March 16 to conspiring to hinder prosecution of the attackers.[29] She received three years probation, 500 hours of community service and a $160,000 fine. As part of the plea bargain, she was also forced to withdraw from the 1994 World Figure Skating Championships and resign from the USFSA.[30] On June 30, 1994, after conducting its own investigation of the attack, the USFSA stripped her of her 1994 U.S. Championships title and banned her for life from participating in USFSA-run events as either a skater or a coach.[31] The USFSA concluded that she knew about the attack before it happened and displayed "a clear disregard for fairness, good sportsmanship and ethical behavior". Although the USFSA has no control over professional skating events, she was also persona non grata on the pro circuit because few skaters and promoters would work with her. Consequently, she failed to benefit from the pro skating boom that ensued in the aftermath of the scandal.[26]

Harding continued to maintain that she was innocent and professed her disgust with the attack, even going so far as to get an angel tattooed on her back, allegedly as a symbol of her innocence[citation needed]. In her 2008 autobiography, The Tonya Tapes, she said that she wanted to call the FBI to reveal what she knew, but refused when Gillooly allegedly threatened her with death following a gunpoint gang rape by him and two other men she did not know. He subsequently changed his name to Jeff Stone and called the allegations "utterly ridiculous".[3] Eckhardt, who legally changed his name to Brian Sean Griffith following his release from jail, died of natural causes at age 40 on December 12, 2007.[2]

You could argue these are different circumstances, in one situation a person was physically injured. The initial intent is still the same. Eliminate the competitors to gain an edge in competitions.

I personally have no respect for power hungry people who hurt others to increase their power. I think it's a shame that ESL was able to go as far as they did. Players should have stopped this long before it got to a breaking point. All the coaches should be held accountable. They could have stopped it. The fact that players don't dare to go against their coaches is sad. ESL is a joke. A public apology and 1 person steps down? If ESL had any shred of honor they would reconcile with Slayers. ESL should attempt to make the situation right rather then turning their back.

Can't say I'll be sad if the ESL league dies. It's a shame, I really want Starcraft e-sports to grow and flourish. I just can't support the current coaches. I hope Jessica is able to take legal action and hold ESL accountable for their actions.
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
October 22 2012 06:23 GMT
#403
I wonder if it's heresy to say I feel like mistakes were made on both sides... and I'm hoping we can move on without bullying anyone else.
goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
October 22 2012 06:53 GMT
#404
Nooooo. Any person responsible enough to admit their mistakes and apologize so sincerely shouldn't be allowed to resign, particularly if they themselves are attempting to!
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 22 2012 07:01 GMT
#405
they should just make the ex-zenex coach the official head coach of startale, cuz the ex-zenex coach made Startale as good as it is now
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
October 22 2012 07:08 GMT
#406
To whoever wonders how bad Slayers situation was, think about this. Boxer is loved by many, but he also has had huge anti-fan groups who hated him. Boxer's had to deal with all kinds of bullshit ever since his PC Bang days for the past 12+ years. Everyone always praised Boxer for having a mentality being able to handle bullshits like that. He made Oov who had a VERY bad reputation in his amateur days to become a person that now a lot of people love. Now, in Slayers, it took him only 2 years to call it quits on these players. So yeah.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
October 22 2012 07:39 GMT
#407
On October 22 2012 16:01 X3GoldDot wrote:
they should just make the ex-zenex coach the official head coach of startale, cuz the ex-zenex coach made Startale as good as it is now

Gotta love this post ^___^
Coach of StarTale was fun and all, but he wasn't a good person.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
October 22 2012 07:53 GMT
#408
On October 22 2012 16:01 X3GoldDot wrote:
they should just make the ex-zenex coach the official head coach of startale, cuz the ex-zenex coach made Startale as good as it is now


I don't really think he is bad. You just fuck up once or twice and Jessica crucifies you. It's sad that SlayerS was "pressured", but there should be benefits for being a member of the ESF.

In addition, even without the ESF, I think SlayerS would die when Boxer jumped the ship, due to the sad pandas they had almost every interview. Is there someone that should get out, it's the guys that went to LoL. Puzzle was good. Min had potential to be better. CoCa was great. Those are people I lost respect for. Waiting for a statement from MMA and Alicia before I judge them.
The Bomber boy
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 11:12:46
October 22 2012 08:51 GMT
#409
On October 22 2012 16:53 Wintex wrote:

I don't really think he is bad. You just fuck up once or twice and Jessica crucifies you. It's sad that SlayerS was "pressured", but there should be benefits for being a member of the ESF.

In addition, even without the ESF, I think SlayerS would die when Boxer jumped the ship, due to the sad pandas they had almost every interview. Is there someone that should get out, it's the guys that went to LoL. Puzzle was good. Min had potential to be better. CoCa was great. Those are people I lost respect for. Waiting for a statement from MMA and Alicia before I judge them.


Sorry disagree with you there. Coach Won basically abused his position as head of ESF to ostracize and blackball an entire pro-gaming team. He also obfuscated and lied when confronted with his actions. What's worse is that this is not the first time he's done something like this. He deserves the boot and good riddance.

Alicia already released a statement but that didn't go too well for him to put it mildly.

Crank released a statement through Axiom and Total Biscuit. It ended up being a he said / she said piece. Pissed off Jessica enough (Crank's statement obviously was very critical of her) that she's going to respond sometime soon.

MMA probably won't release anything until he finalizes his deal with whatever foreign team (cough..EG... cough...) picks him up.
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
October 22 2012 08:53 GMT
#410
On October 22 2012 17:51 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 16:53 Wintex wrote:

I don't really think he is bad. You just fuck up once or twice and Jessica crucifies you. It's sad that SlayerS was "pressured", but there should be benefits for being a member of the ESF.

In addition, even without the ESF, I think SlayerS would die when Boxer jumped the ship, due to the sad pandas they had almost every interview. Is there someone that should get out, it's the guys that went to LoL. Puzzle was good. Min had potential to be better. CoCa was great. Those are people I lost respect for. Waiting for a statement from MMA and Alicia before I judge them.


Sorry disagree with you there. Coach Won basically abused his position as head of ESF to ostracize and blackball an entire pro-gaming team. He also obfuscated and lied when confronted with his actions. What's worse is that this is not the first time he's done something like this. He deserves the boot and good riddance.

Alicia already released a statement but that didn't go too well for him to put it mildly.

Crank released a statement through Axiom and Total Biscuit. TB hyped it as going to disprove everything Jessica stated but it ended up being a he said / she said piece. Pissed off Jessica enough (Crank's statement obviously was very critical of her) that she's going to respond sometime soon.

MMA probably won't release anything until he finalizes his deal with whatever foreign team (cough..EG... cough...) picks him up.


Jessica's already contemplating on releasing a 58 minute recorded audio of a call between Boxer, Jessica, and Crank. Jessica's already hinted at Crank using very inappropriate words to none other than Boxer himself so.... TB might have put too much trust into Crank.
muLe
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany30 Posts
October 22 2012 11:10 GMT
#411
On October 22 2012 12:45 Kaz_Coaching wrote:
Korean public backlash has to be huge. This is The Emperor's team and all his hard work and money that they have destroyed. Boxed is a beloved public figure. This is an e-sports equivalent to Tonya Harding's attack on Nancy Kerrigan in 1994. That ended with one accomplice serving 18 months for rackateering, Nancy was forced into retirement, fined 180,000$, served 3 years probation and 500 hours community service. Her previous olympic gold metal was also stripped.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding
Harding became notorious in conjunction with the January 6, 1994 attack on her competitor Nancy Kerrigan. The widely publicized attack took place during a practice session for the 1994 U.S. Figure Skating Championships in Detroit. Her ex-husband, Jeff Gillooly, and her bodyguard, Shawn Eckhardt,[2] hired Shane Stant to break Kerrigan's right leg so that she would be unable to skate. He followed her to Detroit after failing to find her at her training rink in Massachusetts, and struck her on the thigh a few inches above the knee with a tire iron from a rental car.[24] Her leg was only bruised, not broken, but the injury forced her to withdraw from the national championship. Harding won that event, and they both were selected for the 1994 Olympic team. After Harding admitted to helping to cover up the attack, the USFSA and United States Olympic Committee initiated proceedings to remove her from the Olympic team, but she retained her place after threatening legal action.[25] She finished eighth in Lillehammer, while Kerrigan, by then fully recovered from the injury, won the silver medal.

The attack on Kerrigan and the news of Harding's alleged involvement led to a media frenzy of saturation news coverage. She appeared on the cover of both Time and Newsweek magazines in January 1994. Reporters and TV news crews attended her practices in Portland and camped out in front of Kerrigan's home. CBS assigned Connie Chung to follow her every move in Lillehammer. Counting 400 members of the press jammed into the practice rink in Norway, Scott Hamilton complained that "the world press was turning the Olympics into just another sensational tabloid event".[26] The tape-delayed broadcast of the short program at the Olympics remains one of the most watched telecasts in American history.[27]

On February 1, 1994, Gillooly accepted a plea bargain in exchange for his testimony against Harding. Gillooly, Stant, Eckhardt, and getaway car driver Derrick Smith all served time in prison for the attack.[28] Eckhardt was sentenced to 18 months in prison for racketeering but was released four months early in September 1995.[2]

Harding avoided further prosecution and a possible jail sentence by pleading guilty on March 16 to conspiring to hinder prosecution of the attackers.[29] She received three years probation, 500 hours of community service and a $160,000 fine. As part of the plea bargain, she was also forced to withdraw from the 1994 World Figure Skating Championships and resign from the USFSA.[30] On June 30, 1994, after conducting its own investigation of the attack, the USFSA stripped her of her 1994 U.S. Championships title and banned her for life from participating in USFSA-run events as either a skater or a coach.[31] The USFSA concluded that she knew about the attack before it happened and displayed "a clear disregard for fairness, good sportsmanship and ethical behavior". Although the USFSA has no control over professional skating events, she was also persona non grata on the pro circuit because few skaters and promoters would work with her. Consequently, she failed to benefit from the pro skating boom that ensued in the aftermath of the scandal.[26]

Harding continued to maintain that she was innocent and professed her disgust with the attack, even going so far as to get an angel tattooed on her back, allegedly as a symbol of her innocence[citation needed]. In her 2008 autobiography, The Tonya Tapes, she said that she wanted to call the FBI to reveal what she knew, but refused when Gillooly allegedly threatened her with death following a gunpoint gang rape by him and two other men she did not know. He subsequently changed his name to Jeff Stone and called the allegations "utterly ridiculous".[3] Eckhardt, who legally changed his name to Brian Sean Griffith following his release from jail, died of natural causes at age 40 on December 12, 2007.[2]

You could argue these are different circumstances, in one situation a person was physically injured. The initial intent is still the same. Eliminate the competitors to gain an edge in competitions.

I personally have no respect for power hungry people who hurt others to increase their power. I think it's a shame that ESL was able to go as far as they did. Players should have stopped this long before it got to a breaking point. All the coaches should be held accountable. They could have stopped it. The fact that players don't dare to go against their coaches is sad. ESL is a joke. A public apology and 1 person steps down? If ESL had any shred of honor they would reconcile with Slayers. ESL should attempt to make the situation right rather then turning their back.

Can't say I'll be sad if the ESL league dies. It's a shame, I really want Starcraft e-sports to grow and flourish. I just can't support the current coaches. I hope Jessica is able to take legal action and hold ESL accountable for their actions.


1. they did not break his hand - this would have been an comparable example. Don't compare two different things with each other. Don't.
2. ESL (Electronic Sports League) has nothing to do with it.
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leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 12:08:14
October 22 2012 12:04 GMT
#412
double
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
October 22 2012 12:08 GMT
#413
On October 20 2012 17:03 YyapSsap wrote:
Did anyone come across the fact that Coach Won suffers from sudden memory loss?

For those who read korean + Show Spoiler +
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=639242&page=1


LOL


what is this about then?
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
October 22 2012 12:08 GMT
#414
On October 22 2012 17:53 Frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 17:51 openbox1 wrote:
On October 22 2012 16:53 Wintex wrote:

I don't really think he is bad. You just fuck up once or twice and Jessica crucifies you. It's sad that SlayerS was "pressured", but there should be benefits for being a member of the ESF.

In addition, even without the ESF, I think SlayerS would die when Boxer jumped the ship, due to the sad pandas they had almost every interview. Is there someone that should get out, it's the guys that went to LoL. Puzzle was good. Min had potential to be better. CoCa was great. Those are people I lost respect for. Waiting for a statement from MMA and Alicia before I judge them.


Sorry disagree with you there. Coach Won basically abused his position as head of ESF to ostracize and blackball an entire pro-gaming team. He also obfuscated and lied when confronted with his actions. What's worse is that this is not the first time he's done something like this. He deserves the boot and good riddance.

Alicia already released a statement but that didn't go too well for him to put it mildly.

Crank released a statement through Axiom and Total Biscuit. TB hyped it as going to disprove everything Jessica stated but it ended up being a he said / she said piece. Pissed off Jessica enough (Crank's statement obviously was very critical of her) that she's going to respond sometime soon.

MMA probably won't release anything until he finalizes his deal with whatever foreign team (cough..EG... cough...) picks him up.


Jessica's already contemplating on releasing a 58 minute recorded audio of a call between Boxer, Jessica, and Crank. Jessica's already hinted at Crank using very inappropriate words to none other than Boxer himself so.... TB might have put too much trust into Crank.

It depends on Jessica's willingness to watch the world burn. Crank may have insulted an elder and would get ostracized by Korean netizens. However he is now out of this crazy world and his salary doesn't depend on these kids opinions. I would add it doesn't depends on ours neither.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
October 22 2012 15:10 GMT
#415
Good. Does he have a team job?
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 15:20:30
October 22 2012 15:20 GMT
#416
On October 22 2012 21:08 leveller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 17:03 YyapSsap wrote:
Did anyone come across the fact that Coach Won suffers from sudden memory loss?

For those who read korean + Show Spoiler +
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=639242&page=1


LOL


what is this about then?

In the same article:

"All our teams never agreed to collectively ostracize Slayers. We never interfered with the personal connections and communications between the individual players."

(next paragraph)

"We never received any official statements from Slayers and there weren't any serious attempts to communicate or negotiate. Each of [ESF's] coaches explained the situation as listed above to their respective players and hoped that the players would understand and execute the directions as instructed. As a result, the practice ban started on March 10th following the end of NASL S3 preliminaries and ended on March 27th."
[TLMS] REBOOT
NotoriousBig
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Germany301 Posts
October 22 2012 17:09 GMT
#417
I may be wrong, but wasn´t Won not, the "man behind GSL" who is responsible for this awesome tourney?
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