She didn't say when NASL 3 started, but during the sign-up period. While it may not have been exactly 10 months, it can very well be close to 10 months with the information given so far. Secondly it wasn't allowed to practice with Slayers players when they needed it, nothing has been said the other way around. Maybe you should search who the Slayers players have thanked during the time? Also, they've been saying some players have been helping Slayers practice with other accounts than their main, I'm sure there are some players who've tried to help Slayers, even when there was a ban.
Also, there's been information that the ban lasted longer than 17 days. Actually, even MC unintentionally seems to admit it.
I think you should read up on Mr. J. and his actions before blaming anyone else. Jessica herself even says he is the main reason for their downfall.
Could you please link the information debunking the 17 days then? Apparently something slipped by me during the roughly 200 pages in various threads this has been going on for
Also, Jessica was the leader of SlayerS. That means it's her responsibility when the team goes bad. She can explain what happened with Mr. J but she can't use it as an excuse. At then end of the day it was her team and she hired the wrong person. It also seems the awful team atmoshpere was largely caused by her personality. If a lot of the slayers players can't look the leader of their team in the eyes, something is wrong.
SKMC said this :
I practiced with TSL and Slayers even after they told me not to...
MC moved from ogs to SK in january that means the ban was before january (ogs was part of sc2con or esf SK is not)
Sorry, I don't speak korean. I don't know what context this was posted in. If your tranlation is correct it doesn't even say that he was on oGs when this happened. How do you know he wasn't on SK and esf asked him not to practise with someone? This isn't fact.
Because the eSF wouldn't have any right to tell MC to stop practicing with TSL and Slayers when he's with SK. Thus it's completely nonsensical to say: "I practiced with TSL and Slayers even after they told me not to...". As if it's somehow a grand and honorable gesture of him to keep training with Slayers, when he's on a different team that's not associated with eSF.
The esf have included MC in many of their other decisions even though he was on SK. Do you for some reason know that in this one thing they specifically did not? Or can you at least provide a background for that tweet or translate the tweet he is likely replying to?
I would if I could do a good job of it, but I'd rather leave translating to someone else more competent in it. But it would've been very strange if they would've done it, I'm sure SK management wouldn't have liked it if they knew that eSF tried to make MC part of the ban. Just as FXOBoSS isn't happy that FXO was part of the ban.
Besides, why would MC post that, if it would only be normal for him not to accept such a proposal if he were on SK. Also, why would the eSF head step down and eSF writing a formal apology for all it's wrong doings, after Jessica told them to come clean because she has evidence for her accusations?
I don't know why he would post that, which is why I asked about the circumstance the tweet was made under or who it was directed at. I haven't seen either. If BoSs didn't know about it, it's unlikely to think that SK management would have either. You said there was evidence that it wasn't just 17 days, but so far I don't see it.
The reason the head of esf stepped down is probably because he made an incredibly bad move by implementing a ban on practise with Slayers for an unknown amound of time, and he's been involved in similar scandals before. (Was that a rhetorical question? :s )
According to the apology from eSF, SK hasn't been included. Thus as farnham pointed out earlier, it's very unlikely that SK had been included in the ban.
And yes, it was rhetorical. Nor is it only about the stepping down of Coach Won, it's the entire apology of eSF, never once refering to the duration of the ban, just stating that they were wrong and in extrapolation Slayers right.
But according to Jessica the ban has only been in affect during the time that MC has been on SK. I obviously don't know which is correct, I'm just asking you to not post something as fact when it's not.
eSF being wrong doesn't automatically means that SlayerS is in the right. Imho pretty much everyone involved in this has acted incredibly stupid.
I never said it was a fact, nor aluded to it being a fact. I merely said there's information to the contrary (when you stated it was 17 days). Which in turn farnham and I provided with the MC tweets and the more in depth view on the apology of eSF. Whether it's conclusive or not, that's not for me to say, I do think however it's highly likely it lasted quite a bit longer than 17 days, probably not 10 months, but somewhere near.
I do agree that eSF being wrong doesn't automatically means that Slayers is right, I shouldn't have put it the way I did. The sole thing I mean to say is that, eSF acknowledging it's mistake on the ban, but not writing how long it was even though Jessica claims a far higher number than Coach Won previously did, makes for a very good case that they're wrong and Slayers is right on that subject. Especially so after Jessica responded to a previously made statement of Coach Won on the ban, calling him out on his supposed lies and saying they have evidence on it (most likely Genius knows about the ongoing ban). What a coincidence that Coach Won didn't respond to it anymore and stepped down including an apology, don't you think?
While the practice and contact ban of SlayerS by SC2CON/ESF was deplorable, I think it's wrong to blame it all on Coach Won alone. After all, he's done an amazing and important job in actually creating a representative body for the SC2 teams able to stand up to KeSPA.
Coach Won actually gave an interview just last month when eSF stood up to KeSPA which may be worth reading:
Previously SC2CON, now ESF, is thought of to be the new model for an organizing association.
It's still far from completion. We still need basic necessities that KeSPA has. We need incorporation, administrative personnel, as well as an administrative office. We also need a right leader to direct us. These are some things I am unable to do. I haven't done things like these...only at an amatuer level. To become ESF that can rationally handle things like this in detail, to be ESF with certain powers and trust from the public, an incorporation is a must.
Once we incorporate, we can work on other things. Right now, ESF is simply a gathering of coaches and players, but we need to work on company-side matters as well in the future. Ideas for for-profit activities as well as developing a professional team system are needed. We need to include not only domestic teams but also many foreign Starcraft 2 teams as well. We did not put any limitations in the front of our name. There is no genre, no Korea, no World, or any prefixes like that. If anyone shares the same eSports vision as us and is willing to cooperate with us, our door is open. We want to build partnerships with as many foreign teams as possible.
On October 20 2012 10:30 Proseat wrote: While the practice and contact ban of SlayerS by SC2CON/ESF was deplorable, I think it's wrong to blame it all on Coach Won alone. After all, he's done an amazing and important job in actually creating a representative body for the SC2 teams able to stand up to KeSPA.
Coach Won actually gave an interview just last month when eSF stood up to KeSPA which may be worth reading:
Previously SC2CON, now ESF, is thought of to be the new model for an organizing association.
It's still far from completion. We still need basic necessities that KeSPA has. We need incorporation, administrative personnel, as well as an administrative office. We also need a right leader to direct us. These are some things I am unable to do. I haven't done things like these...only at an amatuer level. To become ESF that can rationally handle things like this in detail, to be ESF with certain powers and trust from the public, an incorporation is a must.
Once we incorporate, we can work on other things. Right now, ESF is simply a gathering of coaches and players, but we need to work on company-side matters as well in the future. Ideas for for-profit activities as well as developing a professional team system are needed. We need to include not only domestic teams but also many foreign Starcraft 2 teams as well. We did not put any limitations in the front of our name. There is no genre, no Korea, no World, or any prefixes like that. If anyone shares the same eSports vision as us and is willing to cooperate with us, our door is open. We want to build partnerships with as many foreign teams as possible.
I think you should read up on the subject, as no-one is blaming it solely on Coach Won. He did however play a role in all of it.
On October 20 2012 10:30 Proseat wrote: While the practice and contact ban of SlayerS by SC2CON/ESF was deplorable, I think it's wrong to blame it all on Coach Won alone. After all, he's done an amazing and important job in actually creating a representative body for the SC2 teams able to stand up to KeSPA.
Coach Won actually gave an interview just last month when eSF stood up to KeSPA which may be worth reading:
Previously SC2CON, now ESF, is thought of to be the new model for an organizing association.
It's still far from completion. We still need basic necessities that KeSPA has. We need incorporation, administrative personnel, as well as an administrative office. We also need a right leader to direct us. These are some things I am unable to do. I haven't done things like these...only at an amatuer level. To become ESF that can rationally handle things like this in detail, to be ESF with certain powers and trust from the public, an incorporation is a must.
Once we incorporate, we can work on other things. Right now, ESF is simply a gathering of coaches and players, but we need to work on company-side matters as well in the future. Ideas for for-profit activities as well as developing a professional team system are needed. We need to include not only domestic teams but also many foreign Starcraft 2 teams as well. We did not put any limitations in the front of our name. There is no genre, no Korea, no World, or any prefixes like that. If anyone shares the same eSports vision as us and is willing to cooperate with us, our door is open. We want to build partnerships with as many foreign teams as possible.
I think you should read up on the subject, as no-one is blaming it solely on Coach Won. He did however play a role in all of it.
I've only read 80+ pages of the Slayers Disbanding thread and this one, but is there any reason why Won was so vindictive towards Slayers? The whole thing reads (comes across) as petty jealously on his part.
On October 20 2012 10:30 Proseat wrote: While the practice and contact ban of SlayerS by SC2CON/ESF was deplorable, I think it's wrong to blame it all on Coach Won alone. After all, he's done an amazing and important job in actually creating a representative body for the SC2 teams able to stand up to KeSPA.
Coach Won actually gave an interview just last month when eSF stood up to KeSPA which may be worth reading:
Previously SC2CON, now ESF, is thought of to be the new model for an organizing association.
It's still far from completion. We still need basic necessities that KeSPA has. We need incorporation, administrative personnel, as well as an administrative office. We also need a right leader to direct us. These are some things I am unable to do. I haven't done things like these...only at an amatuer level. To become ESF that can rationally handle things like this in detail, to be ESF with certain powers and trust from the public, an incorporation is a must.
Once we incorporate, we can work on other things. Right now, ESF is simply a gathering of coaches and players, but we need to work on company-side matters as well in the future. Ideas for for-profit activities as well as developing a professional team system are needed. We need to include not only domestic teams but also many foreign Starcraft 2 teams as well. We did not put any limitations in the front of our name. There is no genre, no Korea, no World, or any prefixes like that. If anyone shares the same eSports vision as us and is willing to cooperate with us, our door is open. We want to build partnerships with as many foreign teams as possible.
I think you should read up on the subject, as no-one is blaming it solely on Coach Won. He did however play a role in all of it.
I've only read 80+ pages of the Slayers Disbanding thread and this one, but is there any reason why Won was so vindictive towards Slayers? The whole thing reads (comes across) as petty jealously on his part.
No clue, apperantly he didn't like it that Slayers didn't join eSF, and went against some of their decisions. Whether jealousy or any other emotion was a part of it is anyone's guess but him.
Anyone who fights against SlayerS_BoxeR, the godfather of eSports, the most passionate eSports figure, should not work in eSports. BoxeR has been in the scene for more than a decade! He has NETWORK! He has EXPERIENCE! Most importantly, he has millions of people backing him! Him and Jessica. Jessica is like the most honest person that does everything fully with heart.. I don't get it.
Idk about Coach Won's past, but as for his SC2 career, seems he's been an idiot literally the entire time. The fact that he was the head of eSF was a big mistake, everything he seemed to do was ignorant and of poor judgement. He can't help eSports. Glad he stepped down, he's once again become too ashamed and made the right decision to give up his undeserved power.
Hey guys, in-case anyone missed it, I thought this is very relevant from Total Biscuit, has to do with Crank and the whole situation and mentioned the revelation in the OP. I stumbled onto this from the original post about Slayers disbanding but this helped clear up a lot of lingering emotions that tells the other side of the story so incase you missed it, have a listen, it's well worth it!
Edit: I think this audio actually deserves a thread of it's own and not just hidden with all of these pages where people have to sort through so much, but I'm a newb when it comes to post count and I normally just lurk here so I feel that is not up to me. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and share any info I stumbled on from other threads that is relevant.
On October 22 2012 03:58 Jimz1469 wrote: Hey guys, in-case anyone missed it, I thought this is very relevant from Total Biscuit, has to do with Crank and the whole situation and mentioned the revelation in the OP. I stumbled onto this from the original post about Slayers disbanding but this helped clear up a lot of lingering emotions that tells the other side of the story so incase you missed it, have a listen, it's well worth it!
Edit: I think this audio actually deserves a thread of it's own and not just hidden with all of these pages where people have to sort through so much, but I'm a newb when it comes to post count and I normally just lurk here so I feel that is not up to me. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and share any info I stumbled on from other threads that is relevant.
On October 22 2012 03:58 Jimz1469 wrote: Hey guys, in-case anyone missed it, I thought this is very relevant from Total Biscuit, has to do with Crank and the whole situation and mentioned the revelation in the OP. I stumbled onto this from the original post about Slayers disbanding but this helped clear up a lot of lingering emotions that tells the other side of the story so incase you missed it, have a listen, it's well worth it!
Edit: I think this audio actually deserves a thread of it's own and not just hidden with all of these pages where people have to sort through so much, but I'm a newb when it comes to post count and I normally just lurk here so I feel that is not up to me. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and share any info I stumbled on from other threads that is relevant.
On October 22 2012 03:58 Jimz1469 wrote: Hey guys, in-case anyone missed it, I thought this is very relevant from Total Biscuit, has to do with Crank and the whole situation and mentioned the revelation in the OP. I stumbled onto this from the original post about Slayers disbanding but this helped clear up a lot of lingering emotions that tells the other side of the story so incase you missed it, have a listen, it's well worth it!
Edit: I think this audio actually deserves a thread of it's own and not just hidden with all of these pages where people have to sort through so much, but I'm a newb when it comes to post count and I normally just lurk here so I feel that is not up to me. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and share any info I stumbled on from other threads that is relevant.
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