The head of ESF steps down from his position - Page 3

On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics

On October 19 2012 18:31 shadymmj wrote:
I wish it will stop devolving into Jessica right vs Jessica wrong

What needs to be made clear is that the ESF made some very unethical decisions that caused great harm to the sc2 scene. Slayers is not the only casualty, their credibility and the credibility of sc2 in Korea has also taken a nosedive. No association should ever stoop so low to do what they did.

On October 19 2012 18:15 TechNoTrance wrote:
Seems like something that could have been addressed before Slayers was destroyed completely :/

On October 19 2012 18:47 nihlon wrote:
This will shatter a few Jessica-haters world view.

On October 19 2012 18:42 Kiyo. wrote:


No. You're thinking of the TSL coach.

On October 19 2012 18:43 kanchome wrote:
Translating the top comments emotively rather than a direct translation(most upped comments from netizens)

뭐여. 지들이 무슨 동호회같은 집단인 연맹 만들어놓고 연맹회장놀이하더니 거기에서 내려오면 그만이야?? 왕따시킨집단이 계속 e스포츠판 안에있다는거 자체가 짜증나는데 ? 그리고 지금 원종욱만 징계받는분위기인데 동참한 감독 , 선수들도 마찬가지아니여? 모두 징계받아. 언제 또 터트릴지모르는 집단들이자나 안그래?

What the hell? After forming a hobby group and pretending to be some e-sports federation leader do you think it's the end of the problem because you resigned? I'm pretty angry at the fact that the leader of the bullies is still working in E-sports? Why is only the chairman getting disciplined when everyone involved including the managers and players are equally responsible for the bullying? Everyone involved should be disciplined because isn't the systematic bullying likely to occur again?

임요환과 그가 만든 팀을 상대로 왕따놀이를 하는 분들이 무슨 이스포츠 미래를 위해 일하겠습니까. 더구나 더욱 힘없는 팀이나 개인을 상대로 무슨 짓을 못하겠습니까. 저런 사람들은 이 판에 있을 자격이 없다고 봐요

Everyone who bullied the team Boxer built are not the type of people who can ever work for the good of Esports. Furthermore how would they act towards much weaker teams when they were so merciless towards Boxers team. Those bullies have no right to be where they are now (ESF).

연맹 이 쓰렉 놈들 하는짓이 개스파 보다 더하네 한수 배워야 할 정도 ㅋㅋㅋ

These trash of humanity(ESF) could teach Kespa how to be bigger trash.
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ESF has lost too much creditability already that damage control is already past the point of zone where things can be salvaged. As things are headed people are more likely to embrace Kespa taking control of the scene.

Everyone who ruined Boxer's team is done for, including certain members of his team. No on in korea is going to forgive those who have already been named as part of the problem of why Slayers team imploded.

On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics

On October 19 2012 18:49 Telcontar wrote:
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change.

On October 19 2012 18:55 Lonyo wrote:

We have exactly this in politics.
Mess up, wait until people find out. Then step down and pretend like you are being responsible when in fact you are just trying to save face.
This is exactly what happens in politics. If he had really recognised his bad moves, he woul dhave stepped down before it got this far and caused the collapse of a team.

On October 19 2012 18:54 felisconcolori wrote:
So who is taking over as new head of ESF?

I'd really rather see the organization completely player driven, instead of player/coach driven. Nestea, wake up and put things to right.

(Never liked that eSF was run more by coaches.)

Also, Won stepping down with this kind of apology (the wording is quite extreme) does indicate that he did something wrong or at the very least acknowledges that public opinion very much blames him. I still have no idea what the whole truth is - Jessica has proved a few points, but even so the entire thing is distasteful on all sides.

It shouldn't be a drama-filled shitfest, but I guess it just is.

On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics

On October 19 2012 18:44 GolemMadness wrote:


You mean admit to your bad moves and step down only after you've been outed and pressure's been put on so you're basically forced to.

On October 19 2012 18:59 Deleuze wrote:


This is entirely not what has happened. In fact what has happened is exactly what we get in politics on a daily basis. When confronted with pressure from the community at large after all the irrevocable damage has been done one solitary symbolic scapegoat is pushed.

Please don't interpret this as an honorable move.

On October 19 2012 18:43 kanchome wrote:
Translating the top comments emotively rather than a direct translation(most upped comments from netizens)

뭐여. 지들이 무슨 동호회같은 집단인 연맹 만들어놓고 연맹회장놀이하더니 거기에서 내려오면 그만이야?? 왕따시킨집단이 계속 e스포츠판 안에있다는거 자체가 짜증나는데 ? 그리고 지금 원종욱만 징계받는분위기인데 동참한 감독 , 선수들도 마찬가지아니여? 모두 징계받아. 언제 또 터트릴지모르는 집단들이자나 안그래?

What the hell? After forming a hobby group and pretending to be some e-sports federation leader do you think it's the end of the problem because you resigned? I'm pretty angry at the fact that the leader of the bullies is still working in E-sports? Why is only the chairman getting disciplined when everyone involved including the managers and players are equally responsible for the bullying? Everyone involved should be disciplined because isn't the systematic bullying likely to occur again?

임요환과 그가 만든 팀을 상대로 왕따놀이를 하는 분들이 무슨 이스포츠 미래를 위해 일하겠습니까. 더구나 더욱 힘없는 팀이나 개인을 상대로 무슨 짓을 못하겠습니까. 저런 사람들은 이 판에 있을 자격이 없다고 봐요

Everyone who bullied the team Boxer built are not the type of people who can ever work for the good of Esports. Furthermore how would they act towards much weaker teams when they were so merciless towards Boxers team. Those bullies have no right to be where they are now (ESF).

연맹 이 쓰렉 놈들 하는짓이 개스파 보다 더하네 한수 배워야 할 정도 ㅋㅋㅋ

These trash of humanity(ESF) could teach Kespa how to be bigger trash.
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ESF has lost too much creditability already that damage control is already past the point of zone where things can be salvaged. As things are headed people are more likely to embrace Kespa taking control of the scene.

Everyone who ruined Boxer's team is done for, including certain members of his team. No on in korea is going to forgive those who have already been named as part of the problem of why Slayers team imploded.