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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 19 2012 09:44 GMT
#41
On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics


You mean admit to your bad moves and step down only after you've been outed and pressure's been put on so you're basically forced to.
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Woizit
Profile Joined June 2011
801 Posts
October 19 2012 09:44 GMT
#42
On October 19 2012 18:31 shadymmj wrote:
I wish it will stop devolving into Jessica right vs Jessica wrong

What needs to be made clear is that the ESF made some very unethical decisions that caused great harm to the sc2 scene. Slayers is not the only casualty, their credibility and the credibility of sc2 in Korea has also taken a nosedive. No association should ever stoop so low to do what they did.


Yes! I find it incredibly absurd that people go on harping about whether the practice ban against Slayers lasted as long as Jessica claimed. This sort of thing shouldn't even exist at all.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
October 19 2012 09:47 GMT
#43
This will shatter a few Jessica-haters world view.
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Z_DartH
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy29 Posts
October 19 2012 09:47 GMT
#44
On October 19 2012 18:15 TechNoTrance wrote:
Seems like something that could have been addressed before Slayers was destroyed completely :/


No, this happened exactly because Slayers disbanded.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 19 2012 09:49 GMT
#45
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change.
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Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
October 19 2012 09:50 GMT
#46
On October 19 2012 18:47 nihlon wrote:
This will shatter a few Jessica-haters world view.


I don't see how, the people that believed her 100% in the first place were the ones that caused this to happen. I think everyone needs to open their eyes and realize that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 19 2012 09:53 GMT
#47
On October 19 2012 18:42 Kiyo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 18:38 anrimayu wrote:
On October 19 2012 18:31 HonorZ wrote:
On October 19 2012 18:15 TechNoTrance wrote:
Seems like something that could have been addressed before Slayers was destroyed completely :/


I agree ten times with this. It's sucks that it's always after the problems blows out of proportion that they are solved.


Won from Startale lied about it multiple times, that he's the victim. IM, MVP, Prime, FXO, and ST were all in it together. It's just too bad that the apology had to be forced out of them so painfully, after Jessica fought for it with tooth and nail.

Just in case people don't remember, Won was responsible for falsely accusing TSL coach Lee for swindling team's sponsor money and Fruitdealer/Tricksters salaries. He stepped down from his position as the head of federation of that time to take responsibility, just like what he's doing now. Same shit, different organizations.

This is not over yet.


No. You're thinking of the TSL coach.

Not really, Lee (TSL coach) was completely in his right and Won (startale coach) waas wrong.
Zerofinal
Profile Joined June 2012
Thailand136 Posts
October 19 2012 09:54 GMT
#48
On October 19 2012 18:43 kanchome wrote:
Translating the top comments emotively rather than a direct translation(most upped comments from netizens)

뭐여. 지들이 무슨 동호회같은 집단인 연맹 만들어놓고 연맹회장놀이하더니 거기에서 내려오면 그만이야?? 왕따시킨집단이 계속 e스포츠판 안에있다는거 자체가 짜증나는데 ? 그리고 지금 원종욱만 징계받는분위기인데 동참한 감독 , 선수들도 마찬가지아니여? 모두 징계받아. 언제 또 터트릴지모르는 집단들이자나 안그래?

What the hell? After forming a hobby group and pretending to be some e-sports federation leader do you think it's the end of the problem because you resigned? I'm pretty angry at the fact that the leader of the bullies is still working in E-sports? Why is only the chairman getting disciplined when everyone involved including the managers and players are equally responsible for the bullying? Everyone involved should be disciplined because isn't the systematic bullying likely to occur again?

임요환과 그가 만든 팀을 상대로 왕따놀이를 하는 분들이 무슨 이스포츠 미래를 위해 일하겠습니까. 더구나 더욱 힘없는 팀이나 개인을 상대로 무슨 짓을 못하겠습니까. 저런 사람들은 이 판에 있을 자격이 없다고 봐요

Everyone who bullied the team Boxer built are not the type of people who can ever work for the good of Esports. Furthermore how would they act towards much weaker teams when they were so merciless towards Boxers team. Those bullies have no right to be where they are now (ESF).

연맹 이 쓰렉 놈들 하는짓이 개스파 보다 더하네 한수 배워야 할 정도 ㅋㅋㅋ

These trash of humanity(ESF) could teach Kespa how to be bigger trash.
----

ESF has lost too much creditability already that damage control is already past the point of zone where things can be salvaged. As things are headed people are more likely to embrace Kespa taking control of the scene.

Everyone who ruined Boxer's team is done for, including certain members of his team. No on in korea is going to forgive those who have already been named as part of the problem of why Slayers team imploded.


i like it good job
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
October 19 2012 09:54 GMT
#49
Its like a soap opera here. Only with korean mentality
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 19 2012 09:54 GMT
#50
So who is taking over as new head of ESF?

I'd really rather see the organization completely player driven, instead of player/coach driven. Nestea, wake up and put things to right.

(Never liked that eSF was run more by coaches.)

Also, Won stepping down with this kind of apology (the wording is quite extreme) does indicate that he did something wrong or at the very least acknowledges that public opinion very much blames him. I still have no idea what the whole truth is - Jessica has proved a few points, but even so the entire thing is distasteful on all sides.

It shouldn't be a drama-filled shitfest, but I guess it just is.
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
October 19 2012 09:55 GMT
#51
On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics

We have exactly this in politics.
Mess up, wait until people find out. Then step down and pretend like you are being responsible when in fact you are just trying to save face.
This is exactly what happens in politics. If he had really recognised his bad moves, he woul dhave stepped down before it got this far and caused the collapse of a team.
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
October 19 2012 09:56 GMT
#52
On October 19 2012 18:49 Telcontar wrote:
Are you people delusional? He wouldn't step down or apologise like this if what Jessica said wasn't true (well, mostly). This damages him, his team, and the eSF organisation. He isn't being noble or sacrificing himself for the greater good. He's taking responsibility for fucking up, for which I applaud him. Still, it should never have happened in the first place and this just shows how immature and fucking amateurish a lot of the people in the scene are. I wouldn't be surprised if eSF breaks up like SC2Con did previously. They'll probably just reform under a different name to try and start again with a blank slate. However, with the same people in charge nothing will change.


Of course there is truth in what she said. But do you see where this goes? I mentioned yesterday in the other post, that this attack by Jessica has only the reason to weaken or destroy the eSF. Otherwise she would've acted in a total different way. And by reading some comments of the korean scene, I have to admit: she was pretty successful.
eSF is in big trouble now, they were not prepared at all for such a case. They made one big mistake in the past and now everything they build up besides that is destroyed by a single person.
I say it again: It's absolutely impossible, that the practice embargo has caused Slayers to disband!

But now eSF and probably its teams with the organisation is going fall apart. Well done Jessica!
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
October 19 2012 09:57 GMT
#53
On October 19 2012 18:55 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics

We have exactly this in politics.
Mess up, wait until people find out. Then step down and pretend like you are being responsible when in fact you are just trying to save face.
This is exactly what happens in politics. If he had really recognised his bad moves, he woul dhave stepped down before it got this far and caused the collapse of a team.

The damage has already been done. Him stepping down is just to save face and try to limit the PR damage.
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Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
October 19 2012 09:59 GMT
#54
On October 19 2012 18:54 felisconcolori wrote:
So who is taking over as new head of ESF?

I'd really rather see the organization completely player driven, instead of player/coach driven. Nestea, wake up and put things to right.

(Never liked that eSF was run more by coaches.)

Also, Won stepping down with this kind of apology (the wording is quite extreme) does indicate that he did something wrong or at the very least acknowledges that public opinion very much blames him. I still have no idea what the whole truth is - Jessica has proved a few points, but even so the entire thing is distasteful on all sides.

It shouldn't be a drama-filled shitfest, but I guess it just is.


This is actually what should have happened in the first place. A player's association similar to the MLBPA/NFLPA. I think Nestea would be a great choice as well after he organized the players to boycott OSL.
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Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
October 19 2012 09:59 GMT
#55
On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics


This is entirely not what has happened. In fact what has happened is exactly what we get in politics on a daily basis. When confronted with pressure from the community at large after all the irrevocable damage has been done one solitary symbolic scapegoat is pushed.

Please don't interpret this as an honorable move.
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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
October 19 2012 09:59 GMT
#56
On October 19 2012 18:44 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics


You mean admit to your bad moves and step down only after you've been outed and pressure's been put on so you're basically forced to.



Oh yeah, we do already have that in politics :D
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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
October 19 2012 10:00 GMT
#57
On October 19 2012 18:59 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 18:26 Douillos wrote:
Man these guys always have elegance. Recognise your bad moves, and step down. If only we had more of this in Politics


This is entirely not what has happened. In fact what has happened is exactly what we get in politics on a daily basis. When confronted with pressure from the community at large after all the irrevocable damage has been done one solitary symbolic scapegoat is pushed.

Please don't interpret this as an honorable move.



Yeah I didn't follow the whole story I got to admit...
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 19 2012 10:01 GMT
#58
On October 19 2012 18:43 kanchome wrote:
Translating the top comments emotively rather than a direct translation(most upped comments from netizens)

뭐여. 지들이 무슨 동호회같은 집단인 연맹 만들어놓고 연맹회장놀이하더니 거기에서 내려오면 그만이야?? 왕따시킨집단이 계속 e스포츠판 안에있다는거 자체가 짜증나는데 ? 그리고 지금 원종욱만 징계받는분위기인데 동참한 감독 , 선수들도 마찬가지아니여? 모두 징계받아. 언제 또 터트릴지모르는 집단들이자나 안그래?

What the hell? After forming a hobby group and pretending to be some e-sports federation leader do you think it's the end of the problem because you resigned? I'm pretty angry at the fact that the leader of the bullies is still working in E-sports? Why is only the chairman getting disciplined when everyone involved including the managers and players are equally responsible for the bullying? Everyone involved should be disciplined because isn't the systematic bullying likely to occur again?

임요환과 그가 만든 팀을 상대로 왕따놀이를 하는 분들이 무슨 이스포츠 미래를 위해 일하겠습니까. 더구나 더욱 힘없는 팀이나 개인을 상대로 무슨 짓을 못하겠습니까. 저런 사람들은 이 판에 있을 자격이 없다고 봐요

Everyone who bullied the team Boxer built are not the type of people who can ever work for the good of Esports. Furthermore how would they act towards much weaker teams when they were so merciless towards Boxers team. Those bullies have no right to be where they are now (ESF).

연맹 이 쓰렉 놈들 하는짓이 개스파 보다 더하네 한수 배워야 할 정도 ㅋㅋㅋ

These trash of humanity(ESF) could teach Kespa how to be bigger trash.
----

ESF has lost too much creditability already that damage control is already past the point of zone where things can be salvaged. As things are headed people are more likely to embrace Kespa taking control of the scene.

Everyone who ruined Boxer's team is done for, including certain members of his team. No on in korea is going to forgive those who have already been named as part of the problem of why Slayers team imploded.


Wow. I mean, I know Boxer has credibility and all but Korea really is a different place. Sort of got the exact same gist from a lot of people with Korea as their locale for profiles in the other threads. Basically trashing on anyone that isn't Boxer or Jessica.

Bet you this wouldn't be the reaction if it happened to NSHS. I mean, it would have drama, but the responses wouldn't be this good.
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 10:06:15
October 19 2012 10:05 GMT
#59
Yeah, ESF seem to have really messed up by going for Boxer's team, and then basically making Boxer head back to Kespa.

Might have serious long term ramifications, especially given the por condition some ESF teams seem to have.
(Not that Kespa is doing great right now either, but more support to one side over the other could swing things).
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Repomies
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland73 Posts
October 19 2012 10:06 GMT
#60
It's good to see him stepping down from his seat but I don't think this is "justice" yet. I believe that he had to step down simply due to the pure pressure the S-Koreans were putting on him. And wasn't the whole federation involved and not just the head? We are going to have interesting times ahead of us people.
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