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On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left
No one ever used the chat in SC2, its not a valid source of measurement on how many that plays the game.
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On October 19 2012 02:43 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left No one ever used the chat in SC2, its not a valid source of measurement on how many that plays the game.
And that's a big problem. Many people would log onto Wc3 for hours and not play a single game. You had an online community there that was fun to be apart of. This is part of why this game is dying. All my friends who bought this game in 2010, stopped playing within months.
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On October 19 2012 02:43 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left No one ever used the chat in SC2, its not a valid source of measurement on how many that plays the game.
But its a valid source of how terrible Bnet 2.0 is.
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On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left
Or maybe everyone who got invited is playing beta? Blizzard did say account activity does affect who they invite.
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On October 19 2012 02:54 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left Or maybe everyone who got invited is playing beta? Blizzard did say account activity does affect who they invite.
You are delusional if you think SC2 is going great right now and everyone is happy playing the beta right now.
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... can we just have all of these in one thread?
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A huge error on the writers part is saying that dota 2 is a copy of lol. its the other way around, lol is a cheap kiddish rip of vanilla dota. dota 2 is the upgraded big brother of vanilla dota. in otherwords, dota is the more original game so to speak.
i tend to agree starcraft is waning interest. i personally have stopped watching streams and tournaments because its frustrating to keep up with the game. blizzard isnt helping with numerous patches that do exactly what people dont want. teams are splitting up, sponsors arent dishing out as much money anymore and people are looking to diversify their gaming. several pros have quit under the pressure of maintaining a career in the game.
its sad, i really enjoyed sc2 when it was developing. dont get me wrong, it still is, however, it just doesnt feel the same anymore. love lost? perhaps.
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I listened to the first 6 minutes and I am liking it. I will continue to listen tomorrow.
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I do strongly believe a 1v1 RTS has the best chance of being a dominant eSport. However if Blizzard continues its current course with SC I honestly don't see that happening. To be honest, I am not a fan of the design direction of WoL or HotS, however I know there are a lot of people that would argue against me. The one thing I don't think can be disputed is the absolute lack of features in B.net 2.0 as compared to the work that Riot and Valve have put into their games. This is especially blatant when the BW and WC3 UI, older games by the same company are revered much higher than their most recent production. That is absolutely ridiculous, especially given the vast expanses of time between games.
Will Starcraft completely die if it continues on this course? No I don't think it will, the history and nostalgia of BW have created too strong an infrastructure of players, casters, and personalities whose lives are and depend on the game for it to completely disappear. Yet, if Gabe Newell ever decides to take a crack at a RTS the future of Jim Raynor could become much much bleaker.
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On October 19 2012 02:57 PesteNoire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:54 ImNightmare wrote:On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left Or maybe everyone who got invited is playing beta? Blizzard did say account activity does affect who they invite. You are delusional if you think SC2 is going great right now and everyone is happy playing the beta right now.
Nope, just optimistic. I am enjoying the beta though.
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well......... ret and harstem where yust on a dutch television show.
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On October 18 2012 16:47 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 16:05 Particle wrote:
Listen naysayers/children. Sc2's piece of the e-sports pie will fizzle out. I watch GSL exclusively, because, in my opinion( if this is actually an opinion) the players are the best. Since the players are the best, that specific tournament can therefore be regarded as "THE SC2". What then is the purpose of MLG, DreamHack, IEM, blah, blah blah etc etc etc?
Do you see another NFL in America? Is there another derivative of basketball in the United States? Would you not be completely overwhelmed by having fourteen football games to watch in one day because eight different leagues are begging for your attention. Furthermore, if this were the case which one matters? No answer to that. It would just be a football ( substitute football for any other major professional sporting league ) orgy, day in day out with no real climaxes, and no real finales. Your brain wouldn't be able to anticipate, or care because it is still being raped by the residual sensory input from the day before ( which you only just finished viewing in the wee mornings of the next day).
This scene is so unbelievably over saturated it makes me want to scream. There needs to be a consolidation. I want to watch the best of the best of the best play one another. And I want a season to have meaning. AND I DO NOT WANT to find myself asking a fellow starfan "HEY!! Did you catch the finals last night?!!!" only to have the poor schmuck reply with " which one?" IF THIS HAS TO BE ASKED, NEITHER MATTER. At the moment it boils down to people following specific players, and whichever tournament said player is in, well thats THE TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS BRO. Or...hey, look! So in So is casting this tournament! Well shit man, lemme shell out twenty bucks only so I can hear their godlike voice. How about those couches at Dreamhack that were so innovating, Leonardo Da'Vinci pulled himself from his grave and furiously masturbated?! How about the pitifulness of SC2 having to share space with games that, let's be honest require half the mental stamina and even less skill.
For this INDUSTRY to grow we need the folks who do not play this shit. We do not need to keep appealing to thirteen year olds who have all fucking day to monitor bullshit tournaments while simultaneously microing their marines. How many people who are psychotic Soccer fans play soccer on their free time? How many fat americans who will sooner suck Ben Roethlisberger's cock before they screw their wife actually go out and play a serious game of football? Rhetorical questions!!
A sport needs glory. It needs an end all be all. It needs prestige. It needs one ring to rule them all. And it certainly needs much much more than a majority base who all dream of being pro one day. This is why I watch GSL exclusively. Because it is what matters. It is where the best play. Never once have I purchased an MLG ticket. Never once have I tuned in to Day9;s after hours tournament, because those guys are professionals AT SOMETHING ELSE.
Hey, let's watch Michael Jordan play baseball kids!!! YEAH!!!! Oh wait.........
I understand why things are the way they are at this very moment. This is a business and revenue needs to be generated and it certainly won't be given a subsidy of 100 billion dollars. Yes, you have to start small, and get hard...I mean big. Everything from a business perspective has birthed in a very standard way, but something is wrong. That something is the aura, we as the fanbase help to perpetuate. With an endless amount of tournaments popping up, disappearing, re popping and the mindless complexity of something such as the MLG annual schedule ( Which part of MLG matters? Hell if I know and I proudly do not give a shit )there is no possible way to ascertain what matters. If you cannot determine what matters, then naturally you ask what the fuck am I watching this for? If you answer "because I like playing starcraft and learning new builds" well.....that is NOT what this industry needs AT ALL. We need A STARCRAFT COMPETITION. NOT STARCRAFT COMPETITIONSSSSSSSSS. If I have to explain to my brother ( who does not care about any of this) why this kid who just won a tournament really holds no candle to a top Korean then....shit.......I feel dumb for even mentioning it. Not only do I feel dumb, but I feel ashamed for the scene that I love more than any other sport.
No I do not expect all lesser leagues to bow out overnight. They will bankrupt. That is how it works. And some will be assimilated using some of their facilities or networks or any useful pieces they may have. In hindsight I did not come on here to tell the depressed to stop watching 100 hours of Starcraft a week. I am saying that if Starcraft one day evolves into a pure legitimate sport it will not be because we have countless amounts of content. It will be because people who have never played SC2 are finally awake to the fact that this is something much more than a 3-d cake baked for nerd pleasure AND it will be because a Starcraft 2 title MATTERS. Editor's note: hmmm I am wondering if removing the 2 or any number from the title of the sport may help. After all it only serves as a reminder that this is a video game, and this is the sequel.
And...it would help if Blizzard shared this vision as well. For all we know they are more concerned with Starcraft 3 ( mmo or otherwise ) than they are of building a sporting dynasty. In addition to that, guaranteed, if that company controlled all rights ( given they do it properly ) to a one meaningful sporting league that earns millions of fans worldwide they would make far more money than they do now. Merchandising, revenue from the broadcasts, royalties etc. Who needs to make another Starcraft? We already have it. And it is a fucking sport. Of course World of Warcraft can be the engine that allows our sport to have all the finest amenities. :D
For those of you who have no jobs, or go to school and have no jobs, or have no interest in doing anything but watch SC2 VODS for eighteen hours each day, well.... you are already lost, and this post will only serve to give you a slight pinch in the asshole. I suspect anyone else would agree with me quickly or do so upon pondering what is really happening for a moment. If not....I dunno learn to think I guess.
p.s This post is written with a spirit that wants a much bigger picture. I am going to fucking hate everything about "E-Sports" if when a Starcraft 3 is released we have to start all this shit over again. To be a sport the game must at some point remain the same ( granted a perfect balancing is achieved ). At the very MOST updated graphics shall be implemented to stay current with the year 2065. Or we can just remain in our own little bubble reliving the birth, growth, and slow death of each competitive VIDEO GAME while desperately trying to get our loved ones to understand that the gift they gave us for christmas/birthday/baptism/virginity loss/ anniversary is something more than an escape from a difficult reality none of us pussy gamers are brave enough to face head on. (yeah that was sarcasm)
p.p.s Go IM-MVP!!
Nice post, never really thought about it, but you make some good points. (Now there's no more Broodwar tourney's, we should just call Starcraft 2, Starcraft.)
ehm wtf are you talking about. There are plenty of brood war tournaments.
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The metagame issues your talking about are actually bullshit(Terran lategame issues bla bla aka avilo trash talk) thats obvious your opionion, I agree with the rest which are opionions which other community figures already said.
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On October 19 2012 02:54 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left Or maybe everyone who got invited is playing beta? Blizzard did say account activity does affect who they invite.
lol I highly doubt it. Last time I logged onto HOTS (like a week ago) the last of my friends to log on had been 3 weeks before that. There's probably more BW streams on TL at any given moment than HOTS. HOTS fizzled after a week.
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On October 19 2012 02:53 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:43 Integra wrote:On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left No one ever used the chat in SC2, its not a valid source of measurement on how many that plays the game. But its a valid source of how terrible Bnet 2.0 is.
indeed!
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So many people here glorifying lol and acting as if SC2 was dead...
Why don't you just go to the appropriate forums?
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On October 19 2012 03:28 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:53 Hider wrote:On October 19 2012 02:43 Integra wrote:On October 19 2012 02:40 PesteNoire wrote:On October 19 2012 02:28 StarStruck wrote:
There is no crisis. Stop going over the edge. Have you logged on and checked the chat recently? Its completely dead. Same people on every day. Game IS dying, only the hardcore RTS players are left No one ever used the chat in SC2, its not a valid source of measurement on how many that plays the game. But its a valid source of how terrible Bnet 2.0 is. indeed!
I would give anything for a nice good, solid chat system that is more than the simple chats we have now
We need a moderated chat. An IRC style chat that they had in BW would suffice after all. Then you don't have random people joining chats others dont want them to be in and if they do you can moderate them.
This would help pros and joes alike.
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On October 19 2012 03:45 ACrow wrote:
So many people here glorifying lol and acting as if SC2 was dead...
Why don't you just go to the appropriate forums?
Because it should be OK to like something and talk about something even if it is dying?
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On October 19 2012 03:45 ACrow wrote:
So many people here glorifying lol and acting as if SC2 was dead...
Why don't you just go to the appropriate forums?
This is such a bad mindset .. Dude, the OP is saying to learn from the improvements that LoL and Dota2 have : such as showing sponsor banners inside the game or allowing to watch live games from inside the game, etc.
How about watch the video instead of reading the last page and throwing crap around ?
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On October 19 2012 03:52 Butterednuts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 03:45 ACrow wrote:
So many people here glorifying lol and acting as if SC2 was dead...
Why don't you just go to the appropriate forums? Because it should be OK to like something and talk about something even if it is dying?
First page is great, last pages not so much.
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