On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.
The point about the Razer person is well taken and it supports the point I made in the Stephano fiasco thread, where players are not just members of teams, they represent their sponsors. They are billboards for their products. EG isn't so much of a team as a group of individuals that project the image of their sponsors very effectively in how they manage their players and their ads. While champions obviously get a lot of coverage the reason EG is so successful is not just because of the quality of many of its players, but because of their visibility within the community.
Players aren't paid to win. They're paid to sell products. Sponsors are not charities for eSports. Winning tournaments makes your products visible, but its not the only way. As cheesy as it is to say, Proximo was right when he explained to Maximus how to win his freedom in Gladiator.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.
It's a really interesting debate to be had in "What's a player worth?". Violet and MC are great examples of highly skilled players that have so much value that an entire team is made of just them.
I think I'd agree in Violet being worth more than Taeja. After all, it's not like the team gets a huge cut of winnings, but they do with sponsorship.
So yes, I agree with the sentiment a few quotes ago that MMA doesn't carry the marketing potential of Stephano. By a long shot.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
MMA is a genius so the word immature seems just out of context, and he is still a korean he won't hurt anyone, very polite and stuff... MMA is one of the most entertaining player to watch and in great shape can win a lot of tourney... so it HAS marketing potential.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
MMA is a genius so the word immature seems just out of context, and he is still a korean he won't hurt anyone, very polite and stuff... MMA is one of the most entertaining player to watch and in great shape can win a lot of tourney... so it HAS marketing potential.
Again, based on the article, he hurt both Jessica and more importantly, Boxer. Just because he's Korean doesn't mean he is a saint and just because hes polite in interviews doesn't mean that is who he is as a person. And a genius starcraft 2 player doesn't mean he is a genius in every other aspect of life.
MMA's marketing potential peaked around the end of 2011 when he beat DRG in the finals. Since then, there has been nothing but drama (mostly silent until recently) surrounding him.
On October 19 2012 09:15 TheCreepyTerran wrote: I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon
Keep in mind that, according to Jessica, MMA has been on the market for a player transfer for a while now.
According to Slasher that was with a transfer fee of 90k $ though, which is a ridiculous amount, so he might as well not have been. It might even hurt his options, because if he gets picked up now, it might seem as the team picking him was just too cheap to do so with the fee, which is something they might want to avoid, despite interest.
On October 19 2012 09:15 TheCreepyTerran wrote: I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon
Keep in mind that, according to Jessica, MMA has been on the market for a player transfer for a while now.
According to Slasher that was with a transfer fee of 90k $ though, which is a ridiculous amount, so he might as well not have been. It might even hurt his options, because if he gets picked up now, it might seem as the team picking him was just too cheap to do so with the fee, which is something they might want to avoid, despite interest.
That was also when he was the ace for Slayers, coming off a third-place finish at IPL3 and was the reigning GSL champion. He was also offered to Liquid for free, apparently, and they decided to pick up Sea instead.
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