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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 22:53:02
October 18 2012 22:51 GMT
#661
On October 19 2012 04:50 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 04:48 TAMinator wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:45 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:40 Fyodor wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:38 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote:
I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.


and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.




MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.



nearly choked reading that.

are you serious?


With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?

Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.


I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)


It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.

Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 23:12:33
October 18 2012 23:11 GMT
#662
Good for Ryung. IMO, it's good for MMA no matter what team he selects.
Hey man
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 23:31:15
October 18 2012 23:25 GMT
#663
The point about the Razer person is well taken and it supports the point I made in the Stephano fiasco thread, where players are not just members of teams, they represent their sponsors. They are billboards for their products. EG isn't so much of a team as a group of individuals that project the image of their sponsors very effectively in how they manage their players and their ads. While champions obviously get a lot of coverage the reason EG is so successful is not just because of the quality of many of its players, but because of their visibility within the community.

Players aren't paid to win. They're paid to sell products. Sponsors are not charities for eSports. Winning tournaments makes your products visible, but its not the only way. As cheesy as it is to say, Proximo was right when he explained to Maximus how to win his freedom in Gladiator.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 18 2012 23:26 GMT
#664
I believe that the Slayers players may have a hard time getting on eSF teams because of all this drama. Unless they're really really good.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 18 2012 23:26 GMT
#665
On October 19 2012 07:51 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 04:50 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:48 TAMinator wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:45 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:40 Fyodor wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:38 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote:
I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.


and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.




MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.



nearly choked reading that.

are you serious?


With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?

Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.


I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)


It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jth9-R_7mio&list=UUqTXZYQkynopSoxlqzp2i4w&index=6&feature=plcp


It's a really interesting debate to be had in "What's a player worth?". Violet and MC are great examples of highly skilled players that have so much value that an entire team is made of just them.

I think I'd agree in Violet being worth more than Taeja. After all, it's not like the team gets a huge cut of winnings, but they do with sponsorship.

So yes, I agree with the sentiment a few quotes ago that MMA doesn't carry the marketing potential of Stephano. By a long shot.
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v_lm
Profile Joined September 2012
France202 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 23:47:27
October 18 2012 23:47 GMT
#666
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote:
I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.


MMA is a genius so the word immature seems just out of context, and he is still a korean he won't hurt anyone, very polite and stuff...
MMA is one of the most entertaining player to watch and in great shape can win a lot of tourney... so it HAS marketing potential.
A friend is someone you know well and still love.
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
October 18 2012 23:50 GMT
#667
GOGOGOGOOGOGOOGOGOGOOGOGOGOOGO!!! AXIOM and GOGOOGOGOOGOGOGO EG!
I support both of them !!!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 19 2012 00:12 GMT
#668
On October 19 2012 07:51 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 04:50 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:48 TAMinator wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:45 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:40 Fyodor wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:38 Angelbelow wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote:
I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.


and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.




MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.



nearly choked reading that.

are you serious?


With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?

Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.


I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)


It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.


Thanks for posting the link and the explanation.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
TheCreepyTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden29 Posts
October 19 2012 00:15 GMT
#669
I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 19 2012 00:16 GMT
#670
On October 19 2012 08:47 v_lm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote:
I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.


MMA is a genius so the word immature seems just out of context, and he is still a korean he won't hurt anyone, very polite and stuff...
MMA is one of the most entertaining player to watch and in great shape can win a lot of tourney... so it HAS marketing potential.


Again, based on the article, he hurt both Jessica and more importantly, Boxer. Just because he's Korean doesn't mean he is a saint and just because hes polite in interviews doesn't mean that is who he is as a person. And a genius starcraft 2 player doesn't mean he is a genius in every other aspect of life.

MMA's marketing potential peaked around the end of 2011 when he beat DRG in the finals. Since then, there has been nothing but drama (mostly silent until recently) surrounding him.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
ian952
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada124 Posts
October 19 2012 00:20 GMT
#671
LiquidAxion participates in the next GSTL!
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meltingmykohchoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
166 Posts
October 19 2012 00:21 GMT
#672
go to EG!
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Wounded31
Profile Joined October 2011
124 Posts
October 19 2012 00:28 GMT
#673
Axiom
MKP!
mYst_PBS
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom6 Posts
October 19 2012 00:42 GMT
#674
Grubby.MMA, calling it.
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1803 Posts
October 19 2012 00:53 GMT
#675
EG.MMA.RC GOGO. Axiom is good, but as in the article says, MMA is very fond of Evil Geniuses.
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SoloRover
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia1 Post
October 19 2012 00:58 GMT
#676
EG is a better career choice for MMA. So disappointed about the disband of SlayerS.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 01:01 GMT
#677
On October 19 2012 09:15 TheCreepyTerran wrote:
I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon


Keep in mind that, according to Jessica, MMA has been on the market for a player transfer for a while now.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
October 19 2012 01:09 GMT
#678
On October 19 2012 10:01 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 09:15 TheCreepyTerran wrote:
I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon


Keep in mind that, according to Jessica, MMA has been on the market for a player transfer for a while now.

According to Slasher that was with a transfer fee of 90k $ though, which is a ridiculous amount, so he might as well not have been. It might even hurt his options, because if he gets picked up now, it might seem as the team picking him was just too cheap to do so with the fee, which is something they might want to avoid, despite interest.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Ethoex
Profile Joined June 2012
United States164 Posts
October 19 2012 01:24 GMT
#679
MMA on EG would make their lineup ridiculously good
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 19 2012 01:37 GMT
#680
On October 19 2012 10:09 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 10:01 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On October 19 2012 09:15 TheCreepyTerran wrote:
I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon


Keep in mind that, according to Jessica, MMA has been on the market for a player transfer for a while now.

According to Slasher that was with a transfer fee of 90k $ though, which is a ridiculous amount, so he might as well not have been. It might even hurt his options, because if he gets picked up now, it might seem as the team picking him was just too cheap to do so with the fee, which is something they might want to avoid, despite interest.


That was also when he was the ace for Slayers, coming off a third-place finish at IPL3 and was the reigning GSL champion. He was also offered to Liquid for free, apparently, and they decided to pick up Sea instead.
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