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When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier.
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On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier.
the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face.
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On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face.
Yeah, that makes sense, it's just unfortunate that it has to come to this when really everyone pretty much has to be to blame. No team collapses like this due to one person unless Gus Ledesma is running it.
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On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face.
The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself.
She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place.
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I think if nothing else, Jessica is more trying to save BoxeR's reputation more than anything. Obviously she has her own face to save in this, but it's less important since she's just any other manager in esports, and her main career is acting and her family fortune. Ultimately she wanted to just make sure BoxeR's name didn't get dragged in the mud while the team disbanded, and wanted to make sure people understood why SlayerS went downhill so fast.
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I'm just really disappointed that they blame so much on Crank. I can understand wanting to leave an upsetting environment, I honestly hope that MMA joins Axiom along with Ryung and Crank so that they can all be in a better environment together. I just wonder what has happened with Alicia - not because I want to pry, but because he's a player I really like and I hope he will be okay.
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Still can't believe all the drama crap still coming out of this, and with the "recording" Jessica has threatened to release on monday it prolly won't end any time soon either.
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On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place.
Sure, I don't think it's possible that everyone else but JEssica is to blame here. I really think that some things could have been handled better, especially the Team atmosphere and their problems. But it seems to me (from an uninvolved eye) that some things might have been out of her reach, like with ESF's Slayers practice ban or (maybe) whatever problem she had with some of her players (maybe she was afraid to throw them out, because the community might backslash or whatever). It's definitely not a black and white situation, where you can point at people saying "Slayers disbanded because of you" or only Jessica is at fault. It's probably more grey.
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On October 23 2012 01:42 Integra wrote:
Still can't believe all the drama crap still coming out of this, and with the "recording" Jessica has threatened to release on monday it prolly won't end any time soon either.
Well it WOULD be dramatic; this is a huge team that's collapsing here...I'm just sad it's at the expense of the players, many of whom I really like.
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On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place.
ok I get how its jessicas responsibility to keep the team up and running, and yes disbandin is her fault. but this does not get everyone else clear of fault.
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On October 23 2012 01:50 Cuce wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place. ok I get how its jessicas responsibility to keep the team up and running, and yes disbandin is her fault. but this does not get everyone else clear of fault.
Yeah...it would be nearly impossible for one person to make an entire team collapse alone.
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I actually really wonder how long NsHoSoe can still maintain without GSL players and now with the disruption of Slayers disbanding.
I don´t know if sponsors are willing to paly a team, that isn´t really involved in GSL,
but there may also be hope, when maybe slayers player will join them (but i don´t think this will be the case).
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On October 23 2012 01:38 tMomiji wrote:
I'm just really disappointed that they blame so much on Crank. I can understand wanting to leave an upsetting environment, I honestly hope that MMA joins Axiom along with Ryung and Crank so that they can all be in a better environment together. I just wonder what has happened with Alicia - not because I want to pry, but because he's a player I really like and I hope he will be okay.
The problem is how he left.
He says "So when I told her that I wanted to leave the team I made sure to tell her that it's not because of money" and "I was preparing to quit my gaming career", and then a short time after he left he suddenly joins a foreign team (which are known to have a lot of money).
I personally can easily understand that someone would connect the dots in such a way that he just lied to get out of SlayerS. And I can also understand how some people are angry about such behavior.
Such a misunderstanding could've been prevented by him if he contacted SlayerS after the Axiom offer and explained his change of mind. But he apparently didnt care what SlayerS thought of him, or the relationship was too bad to have such a talk - I dont know (it could even be the case they had such a talk which wasnt fruitful).
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On October 23 2012 02:00 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:38 tMomiji wrote:
I'm just really disappointed that they blame so much on Crank. I can understand wanting to leave an upsetting environment, I honestly hope that MMA joins Axiom along with Ryung and Crank so that they can all be in a better environment together. I just wonder what has happened with Alicia - not because I want to pry, but because he's a player I really like and I hope he will be okay. The problem is how he left. He says "So when I told her that I wanted to leave the team I made sure to tell her that it's not because of money" and "I was preparing to quit my gaming career", and then a short time after he left he suddenly joins a foreign team (which are known to have a lot of money). I personally can easily understand that someone would connect the dots in such a way that he just lied to get out of SlayerS. And I can also understand how some people are angry about such behavior. Such a misunderstanding could've been prevented by him if he contacted SlayerS after the Axiom offer and explained his change of mind. But he apparently didnt care what SlayerS thought of him, or the relationship was too bad to have such a talk - I dont know (it could even be the case they had such a talk which wasnt fruitful).
Ahhhhhhhh, there you go, it almost ALWAYS comes down to bad communication. That's too bad, really...I honestly hope it was the former but I suspect it was the latter, given the statements given by Crank and TotalBiscuit.
Oh, speaking of that, should it be on the OP? I figure it's kind of important...here it is if anyone wants it. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=376999
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On October 23 2012 00:39 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 00:22 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 00:02 S_SienZ wrote:
Sounds like a misunderstanding between Crank and Jessica since MMA Ryung and Alicia were being divas and Crank's reassurance that he wasnt leaving for the money. If only he clarified with Jessica before advertising for a team a big chunk of this drama could've been avoided. I don't get how people are still holding onto this "diva" business after Crank's statement, at least with regards to MMA, and I have no idea how it even began @ Ryung. You mean Crank's statement where he said the top players slacked and didnt gave a shit?
He didn't say that, he said MMA, Alicia, and Ryung had problems with the team, aka, with how the team was being run (or not run, as it were). Crank mediated and was told to blame the players and they rightly found that unfair. I'm sure the players deserve some of the blame. For example, three players sneaked out to play LoL. That would be an actual example of "bad atmosphere," though I don't find that a big deal, and apparently Jessica didn't either, as her crusade has been directed at those whom she thinks disrespected her, and there is likely some truth to that, such as Crank's own admission regarding the phone call.
I don't doubt that Jessica and Boxer are especially disappointed as this team was their investment, and that is likely part of the reason she is able to feel justified doing all this. However, for her to abdicate all blame is wrong, especially as she is the manager. Blaming her former players as she has done has been particularly vile and dishonest, given how she has taken no responsibility herself.
On October 23 2012 01:50 Cuce wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place. ok I get how its jessicas responsibility to keep the team up and running, and yes disbandin is her fault. but this does not get everyone else clear of fault.
That's hardly what he says, other than "no one to blame but herself." But I doubt he really meant that 100%. The point is that that completely contrasts with reality, where Jessica is blaming every but herself.
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Crank's interview answer don't add up at all. 'Poor coaching / management' doesn't explain how would the previously unknown, newer members of Slayers suddenly start to make a splash. On top of that, I'm pretty sure most players don't have a lot of 'direct' coaching in general - if a player like MMA starts underperforming, it's not Boxer or Cella's job to make him play better through telling him what to do. If there is an attitude problem (which there obviously was), there is very little the management could do, and chances are most things they could try would be viewed as pushing the players around.
Of course Jessica / Boxer could have handled things differently; cut out the players who weren't willing to put in their best any more and rebuild the way TSL did way back, they could get through it - but I'm guessing there was also a lot of emotional attachment involved (after all, Boxer did consider MMA his 'heir', and regardless of who was at fault it's not much of a stretch to assume Boxer would feel very disappointed about this situation), on top of that Boxer had the opportunity to go back to his original team rather than trying to deal with all the drama and bad blood going on in Slayers lately - it's easy to see why would they choose to call it quits instead of attempting to rebuild after losing their ex-top talent and going through the troubles with sponsors, having to invest more of their personal money, etc.
And with statements like the ones posted by Alicia and Crank, it's kinda obvious why is Jessica ready to throw them to the wolves alongside with the team disbanding.
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On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place.
I thought her intention is pretty clear by now. Ya, sure, maybe a little bit of saving face. However, I am pretty sure her primary intention is to save BoxeR from the trouble. It is not a coincidence that she released this right after BoxeR's new appointment. I thought she stated this in her interview as well. She did it so the community will not point their fingers at BoxeR for being the reason why SlayerS is disbanding.
If she didn't do this, BoxeR will be in a funny situation when SlayerS disbands. Never underestimate the internet mobs, and sometime we are really making everything too complicated for ourselves.
Is it fair to the players? For sure not, but we can't really judge without the evidences.
So far, Jessica is the only one providing chat logs, e-mail communications, screenshots...etc.
It has been very one sided. It is possible that the players were never expecting this kind of situation (so they have no evidence), but it can also be that the players really did something wrong. Same goes to the coaches. All the statements made by IM and ST coaches are just public statement that kind of avoiding Jessica's claim without evidences as well. Coach Won stepped down from eSF, it could be a decision they made so the drama don't get out of control. However, it also means that they certainly did something wrong that they don't want the whole story being revealed.
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On October 23 2012 01:50 Cuce wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place. ok I get how its jessicas responsibility to keep the team up and running, and yes disbandin is her fault. but this does not get everyone else clear of fault.
I agree with you, it just seems like its being overlooked heavily during all of this.
On October 23 2012 02:05 Ansinjunger wrote:
That's hardly what he says, other than "no one to blame but herself." But I doubt he really meant that 100%. The point is that that completely contrasts with reality, where Jessica is blaming every but herself.
I'm trying to run it through my head on how to phrase it so I make more sense. In essence, if you are in charge of a team and make the decisions, the success/failure is always in the very end based on your decisions.
If there really was massive internal issues, why weren't they dealt with? If they weren't issues but just had some diva's on the team, why didn't she do away with them and say why.
It's like recently where our team was slumping hard juts before our GSTL win. Do I sit here and go "the team is shit they don't practice" or do I get on a plane, sit in the house figure out what's going wrong and work with my team to fix it. is it a player in the house that is causing issues? then get rid of them for the betterment of the team. Or do I just close it down because they can't perform and because they cant perform we cant keep sponsoring them.
hopefully that makes more sense >.<
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On October 23 2012 02:08 FXOUnstable wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:50 Cuce wrote:On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place. ok I get how its jessicas responsibility to keep the team up and running, and yes disbandin is her fault. but this does not get everyone else clear of fault. I agree with you, it just seems like its being overlooked heavily during all of this.
Let's put it this way: If Jessica's announcement had been something along the lines of:
Here are the things I did wrong:
- etc
And here are things we tried to work around but couldn't:
- ESF etc
then I would have been at least willing to go along with her. All I heard was "this is everyone else's fault", which is a pathetic excuse for failure in any circumstance.
Edit: To clarify, I agree with you -- I'm sure there was a lot of stupidity from all directions. If only it had been communicated more clearly 
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On October 23 2012 02:08 FXOUnstable wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:50 Cuce wrote:On October 23 2012 01:36 FXOUnstable wrote:On October 23 2012 01:27 Hardigan wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 Swords wrote:
When a sports team, be it esports or real sports, has the kinds of problems SlayerS evidently did it really seems silly to assign blame. For things to go as poorly as they apparently did everyone is to blame - top to bottom - the players, the management, the coaches, the owners.
This public smear campaign has not done anyone any favors, except for revealing eSF trying to pull some KeSPA-like actions. This is a good thing, but Jessica's seeming attempts to place blame on the players is misguided. If the atmosphere in the SlayerS house had been good we wouldn't see players being punished as their teammates would help keep them in line. We wouldn't see a mass exodus of SlayerS players to other teams as with Sleep, Golden, Dragon, Taeja, and Ganzi.
I just wish this team had been allowed to die in the dignified fashion it deserved. Right now everyone's name is being dragged through the mud as they all blame each other. If they could just share the blame, as there's plenty of it to go around, everything would be so much easier. the problem is, if Jessica wouldn't have said something, everybody would blame her for Slayer's disbanding. So she did what probably most Korean would have done: trying to save your face. The issue with this is that she was the owner of the team, in the end she has no one to blame but herself. It was her responsibility to make sure that things were getting done in a proper fashion, players not practicing? make sure they do or remove them. Having someone else handle the sponsorship negotiations? Should always get regular reports and updates and make sure things are going well, if they arent, step in and do it yourself. She can try to save face all she wants but blaming others as to why her team went under only shows that she wasn't suitable for the position in the first place. ok I get how its jessicas responsibility to keep the team up and running, and yes disbandin is her fault. but this does not get everyone else clear of fault. I agree with you, it just seems like its being overlooked heavily during all of this.
Too many people are acting like one it is either Jessica's fault or the players fault. So sad that people still see black and white. This is clearly a grey situation, and nearly everyone involved messed up on some level. Jessica probably could have saved the team with better management, but it is hard to say she could have saved the players. More likely it would have been a TSL situation, where one or two old players stayed with them and they would have had to restart.
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