On October 20 2012 01:16 farnham wrote: [quote] you dont say shibalnom to a friend
It depends on what kind of friend.... I don't know exactly what it means in Korea. But I say some extremely nasty as fuck things to my friends all the time.
Shibalnom comes from
NiAemi Shibhal
Ni AeMi means your mom
Shib means vagna
Shibhal means f the vagina
since TL believes raping a 14 year old girl is a joke.. that qualifies as a joke as well i guess
Any one who thinks basically a your momma insult(Though dirtier) is something to get upset about is either 10 or entirely to serious -.-
You certainly don't know enough about Asian culture. We takes jokes about family members very seriously, and this type of jokes is the worst. They can easily turn friends into enemies (in my country it is)
Seriously... In Chile we said worse things than that to friends, and we just laugh, take a beer and we just still trash talking each other... xD
great that you can do so in chile... we are talking about koreans here.
I tried explain that in others countries and cultures, isn't offensive to talk with friends like that... maybe in another culture this kind of things deserves death sentence.
ps: I know the topic is about Koreans, don't need to clarify that
Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends.
No... There are stuffy, proper people and then there are more blue-collar, rough-around-the-edges kind of people. This is true in every country, including Korea. I'm Korean, and I know a lot of a fobs straight from Korea that absolutely love saying "shibal" and "shibalnom" all the time. It's just like in the US where there are people that love to curse and use "fuck" and "fucking" as a catch-all word to describe all situations. And of course, here in the US, there are people that curse very rarely and would feel offended by profanity.
It's naive to think this broad spectrum of people doesn't exist in every country, even in more conservative cultures like those in Asia.
i can confirm that you can say "shibal"
you wouldnt say shibalnom to a friend however unless you want to fight with him
On October 20 2012 01:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] It depends on what kind of friend.... I don't know exactly what it means in Korea. But I say some extremely nasty as fuck things to my friends all the time.
Shibalnom comes from
NiAemi Shibhal
Ni AeMi means your mom
Shib means vagna
Shibhal means f the vagina
since TL believes raping a 14 year old girl is a joke.. that qualifies as a joke as well i guess
Any one who thinks basically a your momma insult(Though dirtier) is something to get upset about is either 10 or entirely to serious -.-
You certainly don't know enough about Asian culture. We takes jokes about family members very seriously, and this type of jokes is the worst. They can easily turn friends into enemies (in my country it is)
Seriously... In Chile we said worse things than that to friends, and we just laugh, take a beer and we just still trash talking each other... xD
great that you can do so in chile... we are talking about koreans here.
I tried explain that in others countries and cultures, isn't offensive to talk with friends like that... maybe in another culture this kind of things deserves death sentence.
ps: I know the topic is about Koreans, don't need to clarify that
Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends.
No... There are stuffy, proper people and then there are more blue-collar, rough-around-the-edges kind of people. This is true in every country, including Korea. I'm Korean, and I know a lot of a fobs straight from Korea that absolutely love saying "shibal" and "shibalnom" all the time. It's just like in the US where there are people that love to curse and use "fuck" and "fucking" as a catch-all word to describe all situations. And of course, here in the US, there are people that curse very rarely and would feel offended by profanity.
It's naive to think this broad spectrum of people doesn't exist in every country, even in more conservative cultures like those in Asia.
i can confirm that you can say "shibal"
you wouldnt say shibalnom to a friend however unless you want to fight with him
On October 20 2012 01:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] It depends on what kind of friend.... I don't know exactly what it means in Korea. But I say some extremely nasty as fuck things to my friends all the time.
Shibalnom comes from
NiAemi Shibhal
Ni AeMi means your mom
Shib means vagna
Shibhal means f the vagina
since TL believes raping a 14 year old girl is a joke.. that qualifies as a joke as well i guess
Any one who thinks basically a your momma insult(Though dirtier) is something to get upset about is either 10 or entirely to serious -.-
You certainly don't know enough about Asian culture. We takes jokes about family members very seriously, and this type of jokes is the worst. They can easily turn friends into enemies (in my country it is)
Seriously... In Chile we said worse things than that to friends, and we just laugh, take a beer and we just still trash talking each other... xD
great that you can do so in chile... we are talking about koreans here.
I tried explain that in others countries and cultures, isn't offensive to talk with friends like that... maybe in another culture this kind of things deserves death sentence.
ps: I know the topic is about Koreans, don't need to clarify that
Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends.
No... There are stuffy, proper people and then there are more blue-collar, rough-around-the-edges kind of people. This is true in every country, including Korea. I'm Korean, and I know a lot of a fobs straight from Korea that absolutely love saying "shibal" and "shibalnom" all the time. It's just like in the US where there are people that love to curse and use "fuck" and "fucking" as a catch-all word to describe all situations. And of course, here in the US, there are people that curse very rarely and would feel offended by profanity.
It's naive to think this broad spectrum of people doesn't exist in every country, even in more conservative cultures like those in Asia.
The combined spectrum of both cultures is different though. Thus in Asia it's more likely to be frowned upon than in Europe or US.
here, i am just going to throw this out there (and it's not directed at shival, but it was the only recent post that was somewhat relevant to what i wanted to say).
i'm sure everyone's had the experience or have witnessed when a parent frowns upon your gaming; just plain out casual gaming. if you've watched through the player interviews over the gsl in 2011 and early 2012, you would hear questions to the progamers about what their parents think of their gaming. they were also reluctant towards letting them pursue the career they wanted in gaming... maybe letting up once they learned that their son was actually earning some money doing it.
esports has had the benefit of growing up and getting to a scope where it's arguably more acceptable over the years, but i feel the image that the pros get,and even what the community gets is damaged by a lack of professionalism. at many points, people like slayers_boxer wanted it to be an actual profession that you could live by and look up to from both the inside and outside.
even if you have shady practices and act unprofessionally once in a while and keep it something entirely internal, i believe it is a part of who you are and it will eventually show in some way. maybe this is in part... why you see some of the starcraft kespa players as more robotic and less dynamic, although it's ridiculous how i worded it there.
if most of what jessica believes is actually entirely truth, i would personally like to apologize to her, even as a nobody. and if society is going to accept esports stuff more and more as a job, i feel like this is not quite the way to go. i feel bad about whats happened over the months, even when it seemed that slayers was just performing below their average standards compared to before... and everything else seemed fine. i had no clue whatsoever that there were so many internal struggles on my favourite team.
On October 20 2012 01:29 farnham wrote: [quote] Shibalnom comes from
NiAemi Shibhal
Ni AeMi means your mom
Shib means vagna
Shibhal means f the vagina
since TL believes raping a 14 year old girl is a joke.. that qualifies as a joke as well i guess
Any one who thinks basically a your momma insult(Though dirtier) is something to get upset about is either 10 or entirely to serious -.-
You certainly don't know enough about Asian culture. We takes jokes about family members very seriously, and this type of jokes is the worst. They can easily turn friends into enemies (in my country it is)
Seriously... In Chile we said worse things than that to friends, and we just laugh, take a beer and we just still trash talking each other... xD
great that you can do so in chile... we are talking about koreans here.
I tried explain that in others countries and cultures, isn't offensive to talk with friends like that... maybe in another culture this kind of things deserves death sentence.
ps: I know the topic is about Koreans, don't need to clarify that
Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends.
No... There are stuffy, proper people and then there are more blue-collar, rough-around-the-edges kind of people. This is true in every country, including Korea. I'm Korean, and I know a lot of a fobs straight from Korea that absolutely love saying "shibal" and "shibalnom" all the time. It's just like in the US where there are people that love to curse and use "fuck" and "fucking" as a catch-all word to describe all situations. And of course, here in the US, there are people that curse very rarely and would feel offended by profanity.
It's naive to think this broad spectrum of people doesn't exist in every country, even in more conservative cultures like those in Asia.
i can confirm that you can say "shibal"
you wouldnt say shibalnom to a friend however unless you want to fight with him
Also unless your really close to the person :D
Well don't forget to add that MC and Genius are two of the biggest trolls/jokers in the korean SC2 scene. It wasn't just some random korean he didn't know it was fucking Genius!
Wow, crazy. Sad to see Slayers disband, they were my favorite team, but given all the drama it seems like the only option at this point. Sadly I think Jessica was pretty much in the right with regards to the eSF stuff, but she's not very good at diplomacy or managing people. As far as the embezzlement claims go I have no way to know whether that's true or not but it seems pretty farfetched.
On October 20 2012 01:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] Any one who thinks basically a your momma insult(Though dirtier) is something to get upset about is either 10 or entirely to serious -.-
You certainly don't know enough about Asian culture. We takes jokes about family members very seriously, and this type of jokes is the worst. They can easily turn friends into enemies (in my country it is)
Seriously... In Chile we said worse things than that to friends, and we just laugh, take a beer and we just still trash talking each other... xD
great that you can do so in chile... we are talking about koreans here.
I tried explain that in others countries and cultures, isn't offensive to talk with friends like that... maybe in another culture this kind of things deserves death sentence.
ps: I know the topic is about Koreans, don't need to clarify that
Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends.
No... There are stuffy, proper people and then there are more blue-collar, rough-around-the-edges kind of people. This is true in every country, including Korea. I'm Korean, and I know a lot of a fobs straight from Korea that absolutely love saying "shibal" and "shibalnom" all the time. It's just like in the US where there are people that love to curse and use "fuck" and "fucking" as a catch-all word to describe all situations. And of course, here in the US, there are people that curse very rarely and would feel offended by profanity.
It's naive to think this broad spectrum of people doesn't exist in every country, even in more conservative cultures like those in Asia.
i can confirm that you can say "shibal"
you wouldnt say shibalnom to a friend however unless you want to fight with him
Also unless your really close to the person :D
Well don't forget to add that MC and Genius are two of the biggest trolls/jokers in the korean SC2 scene. It wasn't just some random korean he didn't know it was fucking Genius!
MC has made quite an apology of what he said to Genius, so I'm guessing even he thinks it was in poor taste. Neither does he say it was just a joke.
On October 20 2012 07:39 bittman wrote: Thanks for the translation. Interested to see what Jessica's "reply" is. Quick gist perhaps before full translation?
All in all though: appears like MC is feeling like he's under a lot of pressure from various sources and he's the type of person who, despite appearances, is concerned with what people think about him.
oh gawd the letter is pretty long, and Im going out in about an hour or so.. so lemme give you the gist i guess.
-Kim Ka Yeon says the last two years have been very meaningful in that she experienced the most and developed the most love-hate relationships she has in her life. She took everything to heart at first and it took a long time for her to adjust to the scene, but as difficult as that was, she has a lot of fond memories. Remember, she was a big time celebrity before taking up this job, and that's no walk in the park, so she's saying a lot.
-She admits she is emotional and doesn't let things go easily, but she doesn't want to continue this back and forth bickering any longer, even though the (supposed) "apology" of esf blatantly undermines her and Slayers. She appreciates all of her supporters who lend a helping hand to get through the tough times.
-She says she has rarely forgiven somewhat who hasn't apologized first, but she wants to move on from this nightmare, even if for the sake of her fans, teammates, players, staff, and Boxer.
-She thanks everybody who helped her live out her dreams as an esports affiliate, and wants to ask the fans from each sides to forgive each other, since they were just looking out for the good of their own players' interests.
-She wants this to be a cause for both sides to come together, and encourages the fans to cheer for the two players in the GSL finals, as she will be doing the same from Thailand, for the sake of esports. She wants to apologize to people who were turned off by her fiesty personality, and is embarrassed that she got all riled up by MC's tweets. She asks for forgiveness from all those she might have offended.
-Her most painful memory comes from Boxer apologizing to her for trying to extend his career as a player, and seemingly dragging her down with him into unfamiliar grounds.
-She thanks every Slayers player and fan around the world who brought her some of the best memories of her life, and manager Shim for everything he's done press-wise.
-She saw MC's "apology" after she finished writing the letter and included this in her PS: what MC said is simply not true, because Julyzerg and MVP apologized at the time while MC didn't, while she did have a problem with NesTea. She did not berate any of the players; she said she had something to say not as Boxer's girlfriend but as the Slayers' GM. She says she has enough common sense to not berate the players in front of a large crowd of other players and staff members.
On October 20 2012 07:39 bittman wrote: Thanks for the translation. Interested to see what Jessica's "reply" is. Quick gist perhaps before full translation?
All in all though: appears like MC is feeling like he's under a lot of pressure from various sources and he's the type of person who, despite appearances, is concerned with what people think about him.
oh gawd the letter is pretty long, and Im going out in about an hour or so.. so lemme give you the gist i guess.
-Kim Ka Yeon says the last two years have been very meaningful in that she experienced the most and developed the most love-hate relationships she has in her life. She took everything to heart at first and it took a long time for her to adjust to the scene, but as difficult as that was, she has a lot of fond memories. Remember, she was a big time celebrity before taking up this job, and that's no walk in the park, so she's saying a lot.
-She admits she is emotional and doesn't let things go easily, but she doesn't want to continue this back and forth bickering any longer, even though the (supposed) "apology" of esf blatantly undermines her and Slayers. She appreciates all of her supporters who lend a helping hand to get through the tough times.
-She says she has rarely forgiven somewhat who hasn't apologized first, but she wants to move on from this nightmare, even if for the sake of her fans, teammates, players, staff, and Boxer.
-She thanks everybody who helped her live out her dreams as an esports affiliate, and wants to ask the fans from each sides to forgive each other, since they were just looking out for the good of their own players' interests.
-She wants this to be a cause for both sides to come together, and encourages the fans to cheer for the two players in the GSL finals, as she will be doing the same from Thailand, for the sake of esports. She wants to apologize to people who were turned off by her fiesty personality, and is embarrassed that she got all riled up by MC's tweets. She asks for forgiveness from all those she might have offended.
-Her most painful memory comes from Boxer apologizing to her for trying to extend his career as a player, and seemingly dragging her down with him into unfamiliar grounds.
-She thanks every Slayers player and fan around the world who brought her some of the best memories of her life, and manager Shim for everything he's done press-wise.
-She saw MC's "apology" after she finished writing the letter and included this in her PS: what MC said is simply not true, because Julyzerg and MVP apologized at the time while MC didn't, while she did have a problem with NesTea. She did not berate any of the players; she said she had something to say not as Boxer's girlfriend but as the Slayers' GM. She says she has enough common sense to not berate the players in front of a large crowd of other players and staff members.
She says she has enough common sense to not berate the players in front of a large crowd of other players and staff members
lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
On October 20 2012 10:59 ImNightmare wrote: lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
Twitter is online, live in in person...thus I fail to see what you're trying to say.
Twitter maybe online, but any damn celebrity would know its impact as a social media especially when its not private. She says she will not berate anyone infront of a large crowd but she is doing it on twitter, the place where any joes can just click and read.
On October 20 2012 10:59 ImNightmare wrote: lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
Twitter is online, live in in person...thus I fail to see what you're trying to say.
Twitter maybe online, but any damn celebrity would know its impact as a social media especially when its not private. She says she will not berate anyone infront of a large crowd but she is doing it on twitter, the place where any joes can just click and read.
You need to understand that in Asian culture, shaming someone publicly is a huge nono as it gives them no opportunity to save face. Online is completely different.
On October 20 2012 10:59 ImNightmare wrote: lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
Twitter is online, live in in person...thus I fail to see what you're trying to say.
Twitter maybe online, but any damn celebrity would know its impact as a social media especially when its not private. She says she will not berate anyone infront of a large crowd but she is doing it on twitter, the place where any joes can just click and read.
You need to understand that in Asian culture, shaming someone publicly is a huge nono as it gives them no opportunity to save face. Online is completely different.
lol? I am a Singaporean.I know more about asian culture then you think, twitter IS a public place, there is no way MC can save face especially since his tweets with Jessica is on public view. I have no idea where you get this idea that twitter is a online place with closed doors. Wake up, twitter is a place where you will be seen when you hang out dirty laundry
Edit: The T-ara issue should tell you how public twitter is. If you still can't see that fact, then I have nothing else to say.
On October 20 2012 10:59 ImNightmare wrote: lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
Twitter is online, live in in person...thus I fail to see what you're trying to say.
Twitter maybe online, but any damn celebrity would know its impact as a social media especially when its not private. She says she will not berate anyone infront of a large crowd but she is doing it on twitter, the place where any joes can just click and read.
You need to understand that in Asian culture, shaming someone publicly is a huge nono as it gives them no opportunity to save face. Online is completely different.
lol? I am a Singaporean.I know more about asian culture then you think, twitter IS a public place, there is no way MC can save face especially since his tweets with Jessica is on public view. I have no idea where you get this idea that twitter is a online place with closed doors. Wake up, twitter is a place where you will be seen when you hang out dirty laundry
Edit: The T-ara issue should tell you how public twitter is. If you still can't see that fact, then I have nothing else to say.
Then you should know the clear difference between shaming somebody live to their face, and shaming somebody online even if it's public.
On October 20 2012 10:59 ImNightmare wrote: lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
Twitter is online, live in in person...thus I fail to see what you're trying to say.
Twitter maybe online, but any damn celebrity would know its impact as a social media especially when its not private. She says she will not berate anyone infront of a large crowd but she is doing it on twitter, the place where any joes can just click and read.
You need to understand that in Asian culture, shaming someone publicly is a huge nono as it gives them no opportunity to save face. Online is completely different.
lol? I am a Singaporean.I know more about asian culture then you think, twitter IS a public place, there is no way MC can save face especially since his tweets with Jessica is on public view. I have no idea where you get this idea that twitter is a online place with closed doors. Wake up, twitter is a place where you will be seen when you hang out dirty laundry
Edit: The T-ara issue should tell you how public twitter is. If you still can't see that fact, then I have nothing else to say.
Then you should know the clear difference between shaming somebody live to their face, and shaming somebody online even if it's public.
On October 20 2012 10:59 ImNightmare wrote: lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
Twitter is online, live in in person...thus I fail to see what you're trying to say.
Twitter maybe online, but any damn celebrity would know its impact as a social media especially when its not private. She says she will not berate anyone infront of a large crowd but she is doing it on twitter, the place where any joes can just click and read.
You need to understand that in Asian culture, shaming someone publicly is a huge nono as it gives them no opportunity to save face. Online is completely different.
lol? I am a Singaporean.I know more about asian culture then you think, twitter IS a public place, there is no way MC can save face especially since his tweets with Jessica is on public view. I have no idea where you get this idea that twitter is a online place with closed doors. Wake up, twitter is a place where you will be seen when you hang out dirty laundry
Edit: The T-ara issue should tell you how public twitter is. If you still can't see that fact, then I have nothing else to say.
Then you should know the clear difference between shaming somebody live to their face, and shaming somebody online even if it's public.
LOL, okay.. I give up, you are a good troll, I just saw your posts on this thread.
On October 20 2012 10:59 ImNightmare wrote: lol, this made me laugh, twitter must have a low user base. But at least she finally stops.
Twitter is online, live in in person...thus I fail to see what you're trying to say.
Twitter maybe online, but any damn celebrity would know its impact as a social media especially when its not private. She says she will not berate anyone infront of a large crowd but she is doing it on twitter, the place where any joes can just click and read.
You need to understand that in Asian culture, shaming someone publicly is a huge nono as it gives them no opportunity to save face. Online is completely different.
lol? I am a Singaporean.I know more about asian culture then you think, twitter IS a public place, there is no way MC can save face especially since his tweets with Jessica is on public view. I have no idea where you get this idea that twitter is a online place with closed doors. Wake up, twitter is a place where you will be seen when you hang out dirty laundry
Edit: The T-ara issue should tell you how public twitter is. If you still can't see that fact, then I have nothing else to say.
Then you should know the clear difference between shaming somebody live to their face, and shaming somebody online even if it's public.
LOL, okay.. I give up, you are a good troll, I just saw your posts on this thread.
He's not troll, there is a clear difference. You are not the only one who are from that part of the world.
On October 20 2012 01:37 quannguyen wrote: [quote]
You certainly don't know enough about Asian culture. We takes jokes about family members very seriously, and this type of jokes is the worst. They can easily turn friends into enemies (in my country it is)
Seriously... In Chile we said worse things than that to friends, and we just laugh, take a beer and we just still trash talking each other... xD
great that you can do so in chile... we are talking about koreans here.
I tried explain that in others countries and cultures, isn't offensive to talk with friends like that... maybe in another culture this kind of things deserves death sentence.
ps: I know the topic is about Koreans, don't need to clarify that
Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends.
No... There are stuffy, proper people and then there are more blue-collar, rough-around-the-edges kind of people. This is true in every country, including Korea. I'm Korean, and I know a lot of a fobs straight from Korea that absolutely love saying "shibal" and "shibalnom" all the time. It's just like in the US where there are people that love to curse and use "fuck" and "fucking" as a catch-all word to describe all situations. And of course, here in the US, there are people that curse very rarely and would feel offended by profanity.
It's naive to think this broad spectrum of people doesn't exist in every country, even in more conservative cultures like those in Asia.
i can confirm that you can say "shibal"
you wouldnt say shibalnom to a friend however unless you want to fight with him
Also unless your really close to the person :D
Well don't forget to add that MC and Genius are two of the biggest trolls/jokers in the korean SC2 scene. It wasn't just some random korean he didn't know it was fucking Genius!
MC has made quite an apology of what he said to Genius, so I'm guessing even he thinks it was in poor taste. Neither does he say it was just a joke.
MC apologised because he is getting a shitton of flame on twitter. Its more like he is forced to apologise, he even talked about how the response is crazy on his end
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