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honkeybeef
Profile Joined July 2011
United States143 Posts
October 14 2012 19:24 GMT
#101
This should be stickied ASAP!!! Fantastic idea OP!
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5609 Posts
October 14 2012 19:31 GMT
#102
This idea deserves 10 times as much attention as all the threads caused by the actions of malicious people on Reddit. They ought to know we love the companies who make it possible to see our favorite players in action.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
October 14 2012 19:36 GMT
#103
I copied this from the oh so hated reddit to show you what sponsors Rallye care about.

As a company that just got into sponsoring players in the Starcraft community (and currently expanding), we encountered the same issues that Razer encounters when deciding on how to spend the budget.

It's a mix of exposure, brand representation and likeability that determines how much the company can spend on sponsorship.

For example, if we knew that sponsoring X player would result in Y profits, then it would be VERY easy to provide much higher salaries for players. In fact, at that point, it would be a no-brainer to sponsor as many X players that provides a positive ROI. I'll trade $1 for $2 any day. Companies like Razer can drop 100k on a sponsorship without batting an eye if they know it's going to make them 200k in the near future.

That said, it is very difficult to determine the Y (profit as a result of a sponsorship) and therefore companies have to assume the worse case scenario.

So for example, if you're selling computer mice and you give $2000 to inControl, then you must assume that the worse case scenario is that this sponsorship will generate $2000 in profit for you. (Meaning that you'll sell 100 mice because of the sponsorship).

Unless you're using some sort of tracking code (ie: you're buying via a gamer's special link or something), then it becomes very difficult to track and you ask yourself questions such as: "Did people really buy the mouse because they saw InControl use it? Or... would they have purchased it anyways?"

So how do you analyze your potential ROI as a company?

- You look at the player's exposure in raw numbers. Stream viewers, total stream views, twitter followers, facebook fans, tournament appearances, 'televised' matches played in large tournaments.
- You look at the player's personality and desirability. How well can he express himself, does he 'sell' products, will he promote your product... does he BELIEVE in your product?

I'm going to go off in a tangent on this one... but if you're Coca Cola and you want to sponsor a SC2 gamer, you find one that's ALREADY drinking Coca Cola. Sponsoring someone that hates Coca Cola and only drinks water would be a bad match because the gamer's heart and soul wouldn't be into it. (It would be like that episode of the Simpsons where Krusty eats a burger on camera for a commercial and then spits it out 5 seconds later)

As a company looking to sponsor gamers, I was surprised to have gamers ask for sponsorship... and then 5 seconds later tell us that we are a shit brand when we tell them we aren't going to sponsor them. (Seriously, if you want to help e-sports grow and you shit all over companies providing money, it's not a good way to go about it)

In the end, we sponsor gamers who love our products. That goes a long way because the enthusiasm about our product shows in interviews, stream, etc.

- Your reputation is HUGE. Gamers support other gamers that they like. If they think that you're an asshole, then they won't be supporting the companies that are sponsoring you. If you're the guy that everyone loves then it's going to be extremely easy to get sponsors. (ie: Day9 could easily get sponsors because he's so lovable)

- After you know you have good exposure, a good personality that loves your products, you just have to work out the details of how long the sponsorship will last and how much. I believe in starting off small and increasing it from there based on the results.

And of course, the results will be determined by how much the players mention your product. If you're a website owner and you see that you received 10000 unique visitors from Twitch.tv when Demuslim was streaming (or even 5000k views from his twitter profile), then you can measure the impact the sponsorship is having.

Taking it even a few steps further, you can see how long the traffic stayed on your site, what they looked at... if they were engaged or not. It's one thing to have 5000 visitors come to your site for 3 seconds... and it's another to have 5000 visitors come to your site and browse around for 3-4 minutes.

To give you a REAL example: the traffic we are receiving from one of our sponsored players results in an average of 1.85 page views per visitor. (Meaning the average person visits 1.85 pages on the site)

They also stay for an average of 53 seconds which is actually pretty decent. It means that about half of the people come, look around and leave... and the other half stays around looks at EVERYTHING (which is really good).

tl;dr If you want to have more money from sponsors: Make sure you gain as much exposure as possible (stream viewers, twitter followers, facebook fans, etc). Make sure that you have a great reputation that gamers will want to support. Finally, make it obvious that you are a good match with the company you want sponsorship from (If you love energy drinks, get an energy drink company to sponsor you. It is very important that you love their product)

Hope this helps any gamers that want to get sponsorship!


So please stop this silly action ans just click on links provided by tournaments, casters and players. Also participate in giveaways and other sponsored events. If you want to email sponsors, thank them for sponsoring a certain event but just emailing them alone wont do much.
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sLideSC2
Profile Joined July 2012
United States225 Posts
October 14 2012 19:37 GMT
#104
On October 14 2012 20:55 Fandango wrote:
I hate this thread with the same vitriol I hate threads telling me why I should pay for MLG and people who email sponsors about shit players said this one time. Stop treating competitive SC2 as if it's 5 people in a basement trying to get something going, it's a multi-million dollar profitable industry that doesn't need propping up with god awful 'community' efforts. If you want SC2 to be bigger, watch or pay for events or streams you think are worth it based on the content they provide, don't watch or pay for events or streams that don't. If there's significant viewership then there's significant sponsorship, don't create false economies by propping up commercial ventures for dumb reasons.


For the most part I agree with you. But compared to the things we want to achieve, we are 5 people in a basement.
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MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
October 14 2012 19:41 GMT
#105
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.
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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
October 14 2012 19:51 GMT
#106
On October 15 2012 04:41 MetalSlug wrote:
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.


Actually you are wrong. Marketing guys in companies say that receiving positive feedback makes it easier to justify renewal of sponsorship deals. Companies CARE about their brand. This is even reiterated in the post you pasted from Reddit, earlier in the thread.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 14 2012 19:57 GMT
#107
On October 15 2012 01:22 Traceback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 00:32 Al Bundy wrote:
I buy Samsung and LG stuff, that's how I thank them.
Good initiative nonetheless.

You should tell them that so they know why.

That makes sense. Thanks for the piece of advice man.
o choro é livre
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
October 14 2012 20:02 GMT
#108
On October 15 2012 04:41 MetalSlug wrote:
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.

I have not, and will not, ask anyone to write some random praise to the sponsors just because I think it will magically make money appear. I specifically asked people not to lie or write something generic in my first post, as I pointed out, I encourage people who actually appreciate something to express it.

I'm sure the company you quoted may not care. In fact, many companies I have listed may not care. Does it make it silly and futile?

On October 15 2012 00:19 iNcontroL wrote:
I've said this before but I will say it again: This actually matters.

Is that silly? Yes. Does it make sense? Kinda.

They absolutely LOVE when they get ANY kind of contact about them/theirs as long as it is positive. Unfortunately this works both ways. When they receive negative emails this too works to get their attention.

I appreciate this directive and I can promise you it actually matters.


I see no reason to doubt Incontrol, if there's anyone in this industry who I expect knows a ton about this stuff, it's him. And even without his encouragement, I think that it's worth trying. It's not like I'm gonna stop clicking links and watching commercials after this. It may not help, it may help, but it's worth a try.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
ShroudeD
Profile Joined August 2012
Greece1333 Posts
October 14 2012 20:04 GMT
#109
Add Korean Teams!!They need help too
Mvp,Fantasy 4ever
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
October 14 2012 20:12 GMT
#110
This is a great thread, and I also encourage everybody to write a little thank you note to the sponsors of his chosen team / tournament or whatever.
This should especially be for the sponsors like LG, Intel and so on, that are not necessarily so deeply rooted in the gaming scene as Razer or so.
Get off my lawn, young punks
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
October 14 2012 20:13 GMT
#111
I had a similar idea - to create a giant poster with the logos of *ALL* the sponsors that ever got involved with the SC2 scene. That includes team sponsors, league sponsors, player sponsors etc. So, make a "Logorama" of esports. Eventually I gave up though, because the amounts of logos needed became staggering.

Anyway, I wish to express that I'm really thankful to all these organizations and people who sponsored the shows we've seen.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 14 2012 20:18 GMT
#112
yeah I think it's pretty funny when metalslug comes in and says a lot of good stuff but then also just says some things that are FLAT OUT WRONG.

Absolutely positive feedback matters. Would the company prefer you buy a mouse, tattoo their emblem on your head and sign up for everything? YUP. But they believe the more time you spend on their website, emailing them, tweeting them or in general: thinking about them YOU WILL DO THESE THINGS.

The idea that emailing them gives false hope or artificially inflates the market is ludicrous. Do more than email if you have it in you.. the point is the BASE action the absolute minimal thing you can do (beyond doing nothing) is to email/tweet etc.. communicate to them that you support what they are doing.

Never should someone be told "doing something considered "little" is wrong" -- if you can do more do more.. but for the rest, this helps!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 14 2012 20:20 GMT
#113
On October 15 2012 04:41 MetalSlug wrote:
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.

you think a bunch of people appreciating and liking a company is worthless? they know not every esports fan is going to buy their product when they sponsor a team, but the more people like you and hear about you the more people are going to buy stuff from you. and those people who do appreciate them now but cant or wont buy a product are still more likely to do so in the future when they have a need or more money or whatever.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 14 2012 20:24 GMT
#114
On October 15 2012 05:20 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 04:41 MetalSlug wrote:
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.

you think a bunch of people appreciating and liking a company is worthless? they know not every esports fan is going to buy their product when they sponsor a team, but the more people like you and hear about you the more people are going to buy stuff from you. and those people who do appreciate them now but cant or wont buy a product are still more likely to do so in the future when they have a need or more money or whatever.

My razer banshee has proved to be really bad, and purchased a Siberia last week. My razer keyboard is also iffy.. when it goes belly-up, I have a G6V2 on my to-buy list.
Refer to my post.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 14 2012 20:30 GMT
#115
On October 15 2012 05:24 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 05:20 IdrA wrote:
On October 15 2012 04:41 MetalSlug wrote:
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.

you think a bunch of people appreciating and liking a company is worthless? they know not every esports fan is going to buy their product when they sponsor a team, but the more people like you and hear about you the more people are going to buy stuff from you. and those people who do appreciate them now but cant or wont buy a product are still more likely to do so in the future when they have a need or more money or whatever.

My razer banshee has proved to be really bad, and purchased a Siberia last week. My razer keyboard is also iffy.. when it goes belly-up, I have a G6V2 on my to-buy list.

well theres also the fact that companies that sponsor EG just inherently have superior products. but thats neither here nor there.
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ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
October 14 2012 20:37 GMT
#116
On October 15 2012 05:30 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 05:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 15 2012 05:20 IdrA wrote:
On October 15 2012 04:41 MetalSlug wrote:
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.

you think a bunch of people appreciating and liking a company is worthless? they know not every esports fan is going to buy their product when they sponsor a team, but the more people like you and hear about you the more people are going to buy stuff from you. and those people who do appreciate them now but cant or wont buy a product are still more likely to do so in the future when they have a need or more money or whatever.

My razer banshee has proved to be really bad, and purchased a Siberia last week. My razer keyboard is also iffy.. when it goes belly-up, I have a G6V2 on my to-buy list.

well theres also the fact that companies that sponsor EG just inherently have superior products. but thats neither here nor there.

usually id say that's a douche thing to say but hey I fucking love my steel series gear LOL its awesome
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 14 2012 20:37 GMT
#117
Alex Garfield knows what's up
Refer to my post.
magicmUnky
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia280 Posts
October 14 2012 21:03 GMT
#118
If all these businesses replied to the emails with a thank-you and a nice discount code for some products, i'm sure they'll see some direct sales.

At the end of the day though, they don't want you to buy stuff directly; they want you to tell your friends (who don't know shit about computers) that they can buy <insert brand here> and know that the business will probably have a high quality product and be willing to provide support in the event of a problem...

That's something they can offer, through you as a proxy, that "no-name" brands cannot. They're making their brand name... through you, the viewer (and through the sponsorship).
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
October 14 2012 21:14 GMT
#119
I've added a much needed disclaimer since it was obvious that my original intentions were very unclear. Thanks for your criticism people. I've also added some Korean teams but it's damn hard to navigate Korean homepages ^^ I couldn't find social media for many of them.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
October 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#120
On October 15 2012 05:30 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 05:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 15 2012 05:20 IdrA wrote:
On October 15 2012 04:41 MetalSlug wrote:
I want to add that this probably hurts the credibility of the Community and future actions where emailing sponsors and thanking them for the stuff they do might actually be due.

you think a bunch of people appreciating and liking a company is worthless? they know not every esports fan is going to buy their product when they sponsor a team, but the more people like you and hear about you the more people are going to buy stuff from you. and those people who do appreciate them now but cant or wont buy a product are still more likely to do so in the future when they have a need or more money or whatever.

My razer banshee has proved to be really bad, and purchased a Siberia last week. My razer keyboard is also iffy.. when it goes belly-up, I have a G6V2 on my to-buy list.

well theres also the fact that companies that sponsor EG just inherently have superior products. but thats neither here nor there.


Actually, they would probably care more about a like on facebook that came from a link from a sponsored Event than a kinda forced random mail from some guys on TL who were aware of the brand before. Likes on FB are numbers you can present your superiors.
I just think that its stupid to mail sponsors without a valid reason when you can do so much more by liking them on FB or just visiting their site.
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