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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
 thanks anywayGonna watch the others ty, but I've maybe missexpressed myself (does that make sense ?) I was not so much looking for a documentary but for a something about how people built their lives and what was/is important to them/What people really are when they show what they are. The subject is pointless to me what matters is much more the study of the human being. Like Smash episode 7 is so good because it tries to if not understand at least to show M2K thanks to smash. | ||
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Skates
United Kingdom8 Posts
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opaqueNZ
Australia48 Posts
I like hearing about their pasts and shit but not twice in a row when once would suffice.. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
I'm still wondering why it took so many years and so much money to release a few interviews from 3 different locations with ~4 different people. Either the director is the biggest amateur hour noob on the planet or we've been duped. I swear to christ with 0 experience in film making I could have come up with a better story board than this garbage. How about we get to see the locations of the casters hardships, go into detail about what they had to survive in the early days, why they felt they could make it, their reaction to the stardom they have now, I mean ANYTHING. I heard a more interesting story about Artosis from incontroL on state of the game about his mom kicking him out and him sleeping on cement or something. My god, what a failure this film is, a complete and total failure. I hope this film does make it to NetFlix and I hope real film critics rip this junk to shreds. | ||
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KaiserKieran
United States615 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 12 2013 11:12 crms wrote: After watching all the parts now and really trying to think about it objectively, this documentary is extremely poorly done and gives no real narrative. unless of course you consider, 'esports is cool, we moved to korea it was hard at first because 'money' an engaging story line. I'm still wondering why it took so many years and so much money to release a few interviews from 3 different locations with ~4 different people. Either the director is the biggest amateur hour noob on the planet or we've been duped. I swear to christ with 0 experience in film making I could have come up with a better story board than this garbage. How about we get to see the locations of the casters hardships, go into detail about what they had to survive in the early days, why they felt they could make it, their reaction to the stardom they have now, I mean ANYTHING. I heard a more interesting story about Artosis from incontroL on state of the game about his mom kicking him out and him sleeping on cement or something. My god, what a failure this film is, a complete and total failure. I hope this film does make it to NetFlix and I hope real film critics rip this junk to shreds. When you say we've been duped, you mean that you donated? Or are you voicing outrage on behalf of people that donated? | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On December 12 2013 11:45 Plansix wrote: When you say we've been duped, you mean that you donated? Or are you voicing outrage on behalf of people that donated? duped in the sense that they made a lot of promises and talked this jeff guy up a shit load to be the real deal when he's clearly awful. maybe duped is the wrong word since so many people are talking about this being a 'scam', I don't think it was a cold-blooded scam to rip off esports, I think it was just a bad amateur film maker getting in over his head. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 12 2013 11:58 crms wrote: duped in the sense that they made a lot of promises and talked this jeff guy up a shit load to be the real deal when he's clearly awful. maybe duped is the wrong word since so many people are talking about this being a 'scam', I don't think it was a cold-blooded scam to rip off esports, I think it was just a bad amateur film maker getting in over his head. I think that is a harsh lesson that Kickstarter teaches, that big ideas and results are two very different things. I think this guy had good intentions and a vision. And clearly it was a vision that enough people wanted. Its just that his ambition and vision never fully made it to film. Or as Jeff Green of the videogame world is fond of saying "Almost no one tries to make a bad game." I don't think this guy did anything wrong beyond fail to communicate with people. He wasn't trying to make a bad film. People took a risk with Kickstarter and it is up to them if it panned out for them or not. The rest of us got a movie and may or may not be something we like. As for the people who did not donate and are throwing around words like "scam", I don't know about them. This is the internet and people like to get really worked up about shit. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On December 12 2013 12:22 Plansix wrote: I think that is a harsh lesson that Kickstarter teaches, that big ideas and results are two very different things. I think this guy had good intentions and a vision. And clearly it was a vision that enough people wanted. Its just that his ambition and vision never fully made it to film. Or as Jeff Green of the videogame world is fond of saying "Almost no one tries to make a bad game." I don't think this guy did anything wrong beyond fail to communicate with people. He wasn't trying to make a bad film. People took a risk with Kickstarter and it is up to them if it panned out for them or not. The rest of us got a movie and may or may not be something we like. As for the people who did not donate and are throwing around words like "scam", I don't know about them. This is the internet and people like to get really worked up about !@#$%^&*. I disagree - I definitely think he could have worked harder at providing the whole "show dont tell us"-concept. Had he spend just some time studying other succesfull documentaries he would have realized that. Honestly, I think a lot of the problems arisen from this documentary is based on him not working hard enough to improve his film-making skills over the last 2 years. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 12 2013 12:28 Hider wrote: I disagree - I definitely think he could have worked harder at providing the whole "show dont tell us"-concept. Had he spend just some time studying other succesfull documentaries he would have realized that. Honestly, I think a lot of the problems arisen from this documentary is based on him not working hard enough to improve his film-making skills over the last 2 years. Wait, you are disagreeing by saying he could have tried harder..... Anything else captain obvious? | ||
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pabe
Poland10 Posts
Not every1 was born as masterchef. Do you really believe, that he spent 2 years doing this documentary, because he had nothing better to do? We do have only 1 life. Atleast give him a chance. | ||
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Aeleron
Australia71 Posts
On December 12 2013 13:46 pabe wrote: Guys, you need to be more respectful. Why don't you say something like "Great job pal! Next time try to pay more attention to... and the result will be even better!" Not every1 was born as masterchef. Do you really believe, that he spent 2 years doing this documentary, because he had nothing better to do? We do have only 1 life. Atleast give him a chance. Why give criticism at all if you're going to sugar coat it? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On December 12 2013 13:46 pabe wrote: Guys, you need to be more respectful. Why don't you say something like "Great job pal! Next time try to pay more attention to... and the result will be even better!" Not every1 was born as masterchef. Do you really believe, that he spent 2 years doing this documentary, because he had nothing better to do? We do have only 1 life. Atleast give him a chance. Unfortunately you can't fall back on that once you start asking people for money. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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rkshox
Taiwan536 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
Pabe is right to some extent. A little of the criticism has been pretty harsh, considering everybody has been waiting for this and it actually happened. However, we're not completely delusional to the point of calling a turd a chocolate smoothie and patting the maker on the back. My message to the maker of the film: + Show Spoiler + Thanks for not scamming the community, and I'll be sure to check out this attempt at a serious documentary; hopefully some of us are a little too hard to please and I actually enjoy it. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
 "A documentary (?) named Jeffrey Alejos [...] is interested in coming out to Seoul, Korea to do a full-feature documentary about Artosis and myself" Maybe there were just too many assumptions going into this, too, which lead to the disappointment some people had in the end. | ||
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Parachute
7 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On December 12 2013 13:02 Plansix wrote: Wait, you are disagreeing by saying he could have tried harder..... Anything else captain obvious? Are you implying he did nothing by taking money from the community and not really work hard enough? | ||
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mewo
United States221 Posts
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