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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 29 2012 09:18 GMT
#201
doesn't coca-cola already sponsor IM? not as a title sponsor, i guess
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iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
September 29 2012 09:46 GMT
#202
On September 29 2012 02:08 brokenLoL wrote:
Why not just merge all EGMC, GSTL, KeSPA, and IPTL teams together and make one big ProLeague?

And by all I mean ALL, as in even foreign teams.


No one wants "one big league". Lack of competition might be good for economy, but it will suck for spectators because there will be no reason for them to up the standard if there's no one to compete with.

Competition is good for us.
thepuppyassassin: "My god... the deathball's grown wings!"
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 10:15:04
September 29 2012 10:09 GMT
#203
On September 29 2012 14:23 glzElectromaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 14:00 Kontys wrote:
Esportsstarcraft is dying in Korea. Maybe we do have hope.


Foreign domination doesn't help the skill level of the games, unfortunately. Foreigners get better because in order to win competitions, they have to beat top tier Koreans who are really diligent. tbh, I'd much rather watch top Koreans than homegrown Japanese gamers (although I would still totally root for them).

Also, it's really only starcraft that's dying...LoL is strong as ever T_T


Skill =/= Well-being/popularity/stability of the scene.
lubu42
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States314 Posts
September 29 2012 10:12 GMT
#204
This really sucks, I love Woongjin ever since I layed my eyes on the BW Pro gaming scene D:
SlayerS_BoxeR <3
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 10:13:37
September 29 2012 10:12 GMT
#205
no major sponsors that would have a team for SC2 in korea ?

...

I dont want WS to disband ;((

oh man..
T H C makes ppl happy
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
September 29 2012 10:14 GMT
#206
On September 29 2012 17:46 Boonbag wrote:
it never occured to me that rts pro gaming glory could just as well end with the end of bw
i always thought sc2 would pick up, but the game is very far from beeing as good as it needs to be

I think you mean "very far from being as free and popular as it needs to be".
Being a "good" game, in terms of balance and skill ceiling, has almost nothing to do with popularity, look at LoL in Korea, a game that is known for being unbalanced and easy.
ShiniSama
Profile Joined November 2011
United States103 Posts
September 29 2012 10:30 GMT
#207
If this happens it will be a horrible loss and a huge deal. There has to be some way to save these guys. I really hope that something works out for the entire woongjin company.
EZPZ
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 29 2012 10:36 GMT
#208
On September 29 2012 19:14 RageBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 17:46 Boonbag wrote:
it never occured to me that rts pro gaming glory could just as well end with the end of bw
i always thought sc2 would pick up, but the game is very far from beeing as good as it needs to be

I think you mean "very far from being as free and popular as it needs to be".
Being a "good" game, in terms of balance and skill ceiling, has almost nothing to do with popularity, look at LoL in Korea, a game that is known for being unbalanced and easy.


who cares about balance, brood war wasn't balanced
it took about 4 years before pvz beeing winnable
took almost 2 for tvp

they shouldve just revamped bw and they would've gone huge success
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 10:57:22
September 29 2012 10:57 GMT
#209
On September 29 2012 19:36 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 19:14 RageBot wrote:
On September 29 2012 17:46 Boonbag wrote:
it never occured to me that rts pro gaming glory could just as well end with the end of bw
i always thought sc2 would pick up, but the game is very far from beeing as good as it needs to be

I think you mean "very far from being as free and popular as it needs to be".
Being a "good" game, in terms of balance and skill ceiling, has almost nothing to do with popularity, look at LoL in Korea, a game that is known for being unbalanced and easy.


who cares about balance, brood war wasn't balanced
it took about 4 years before pvz beeing winnable
took almost 2 for tvp

they shouldve just revamped bw and they would've gone huge success


no, because you would still have to pay for it, therefore, it would never get huge as broodwar did. it's a shitty world we live in, whatcha gonna do. now you should stop with the bw-elitism/balance-whining tho, before someone reports you...
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 29 2012 11:39 GMT
#210
On September 29 2012 19:57 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 19:36 Boonbag wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:14 RageBot wrote:
On September 29 2012 17:46 Boonbag wrote:
it never occured to me that rts pro gaming glory could just as well end with the end of bw
i always thought sc2 would pick up, but the game is very far from beeing as good as it needs to be

I think you mean "very far from being as free and popular as it needs to be".
Being a "good" game, in terms of balance and skill ceiling, has almost nothing to do with popularity, look at LoL in Korea, a game that is known for being unbalanced and easy.


who cares about balance, brood war wasn't balanced
it took about 4 years before pvz beeing winnable
took almost 2 for tvp

they shouldve just revamped bw and they would've gone huge success


no, because you would still have to pay for it, therefore, it would never get huge as broodwar did. it's a shitty world we live in, whatcha gonna do. now you should stop with the bw-elitism/balance-whining tho, before someone reports you...


you don't make much sense do you... ?
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
September 29 2012 14:24 GMT
#211
I hope not.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 14:33:08
September 29 2012 14:27 GMT
#212
Chat I just had with one of the progamers on their team, sorry some of it is in Korean ~~! He assures everythings fine. I've been friends with him since I first came to Korea and he's told me a lot of secrets which never even made it public, so I actually 100% trust him on this and it's not like the moon-thorzain reference someone said to me earlier in this thread.

EDIT - Figured I would add translation LOL

Facebook messages:

me:hey. woongjin stars 진짜 파괴. 빨리? Sponsor out? ;;;;;;; (Hey woongjin stars really bankrupt so sudden?)

him:ㄴㄴ (no no)

me: so now what is happening?

him: ??
한글 (speak korean)

me: 웅진 스타즈 스폰서 0 돈. ~~; 지금 스타2 팀.. ??? 뭐? (Woongjin stars sponsor has 0 money. Now what is the starcraft 2 team going to do?)

him: 루머 병신 (Rumor retard.)

me: 아니 병신아 (No, retard)
뉴스 (news)

him: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㄱㅋㅋㄱ? (lolololol go?)
웅진 대기업 돈은만들수잇다 (Woongjin stars has a lot of money elsewhere.)

me: 지금 파산 (Now they're bankrupt.)
웅진 스폰서 (Woongjin's sponsor)

him: 법정관리신청 (They is a law/court request going on)

11:24pm
me: ~~;
알겠어요 ~ (Ok, I understand ~)
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
September 29 2012 14:29 GMT
#213
why they dont just let starcraft die in Korea
Its not working
And companies know it !
Tekken ProGamer
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
September 29 2012 14:33 GMT
#214
On September 29 2012 19:57 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 19:36 Boonbag wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:14 RageBot wrote:
On September 29 2012 17:46 Boonbag wrote:
it never occured to me that rts pro gaming glory could just as well end with the end of bw
i always thought sc2 would pick up, but the game is very far from beeing as good as it needs to be

I think you mean "very far from being as free and popular as it needs to be".
Being a "good" game, in terms of balance and skill ceiling, has almost nothing to do with popularity, look at LoL in Korea, a game that is known for being unbalanced and easy.


who cares about balance, brood war wasn't balanced
it took about 4 years before pvz beeing winnable
took almost 2 for tvp

they shouldve just revamped bw and they would've gone huge success


no, because you would still have to pay for it, therefore, it would never get huge as broodwar did. it's a shitty world we live in, whatcha gonna do. now you should stop with the bw-elitism/balance-whining tho, before someone reports you...


Not to mention thats called an expansion and blizzard is typically pretty good about having there sequals feel like a sequal and not an expansion.
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 14:53:33
September 29 2012 14:51 GMT
#215
This would suck

I feel like Zero and others could probably find other teams, at least, right?

It's been said many times already in this thread, but I think it might be reasonable for PL to take in like 4 ESF teams to round out the league. Who knows with Kespa though...

P.S. I think it's hilarious how it looks like Free is wearing a party hat in that picture lol


EDIT:
On September 29 2012 23:27 lastshadow wrote:
Chat I just had with one of the progamers on their team, sorry some of it is in Korean ~~! He assures everythings fine. I've been friends with him since I first came to Korea and he's told me a lot of secrets which never even made it public, so I actually 100% trust him on this and it's not like the moon-thorzain reference someone said to me earlier in this thread.


Ah, sweet, hope this works out!
aka Moletrap
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 16:51:28
September 29 2012 16:51 GMT
#216
I'm sure it's beneficial to the community when a wild guess based on internet rumors is taken this seriously by so many posters...
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3703 Posts
September 29 2012 16:53 GMT
#217
Well whether wongjin will disband or not, it's quite apparent that ever since a lot of teams disbanded kespa has been having issues, I mean team 8 is still without a sponsor.
Either way I still feel like 1 big korean team league with all the teams would be best, maybe have it 1 day at ogn studio and the next at gom or have ogn do korean broadcast, have it restreamed on gom player kr and have gom do the foreign broadcast.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33678 Posts
September 29 2012 16:59 GMT
#218
lastshadow, the paragon of credibility
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
September 29 2012 17:16 GMT
#219
On September 29 2012 19:09 RageBot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 14:23 glzElectromaster wrote:
On September 29 2012 14:00 Kontys wrote:
Esportsstarcraft is dying in Korea. Maybe we do have hope.


Foreign domination doesn't help the skill level of the games, unfortunately. Foreigners get better because in order to win competitions, they have to beat top tier Koreans who are really diligent. tbh, I'd much rather watch top Koreans than homegrown Japanese gamers (although I would still totally root for them).

Also, it's really only starcraft that's dying...LoL is strong as ever T_T


Skill =/= Well-being/popularity/stability of the scene.

Who cares? eSport shouldn't be based on things like that.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 18:42:47
September 29 2012 18:42 GMT
#220
blizzard should join kespa as sponsor.
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