On September 27 2012 09:08 FXOUnstable wrote: Ok so, FXOBoSs just woke up.
Yes he did go on the record but his comment has been taken out of context, quote given was only as his opinion on one of the factors mentioned when talking to some players on our team. Others include conflicting schedules, prioritizing other events, not enough prize pool etc.
I cannot comment on other players however the conversation with Leenock went along these line. "do you want to play in MvP?" "no too busy with gsl/gstl no time, but kespa 24 esf 8 wtf? sad"
So it was noted by the players but it certainly wasn't all of ESF banding together to not play in the league
Thank you for the update and information. This also reinforces my "Slasher wrote a crappy article" leaning.
So heresay trumps what someone said on the record now?
TL TL TL.
lol. the law & order generation. or is it the good wife?
Haven't seen the good wife. I hope it doesn't breed more of them.
i was just laughing at your use of "heresay" and "on the record" since both statements were hearsay and neither was "on the record" in the legal sense.
On September 27 2012 09:08 FXOUnstable wrote: Ok so, FXOBoSs just woke up.
Yes he did go on the record but his comment has been taken out of context, quote given was only as his opinion on one of the factors mentioned when talking to some players on our team. Others include conflicting schedules, prioritizing other events, not enough prize pool etc.
I cannot comment on other players however the conversation with Leenock went along these line. "do you want to play in MvP?" "no too busy with gsl/gstl no time, but kespa 24 esf 8 wtf? sad"
So it was noted by the players but it certainly wasn't all of ESF banding together to not play in the league
Thank you for the update and information. This also reinforces my "Slasher wrote a crappy article" leaning.
So heresay trumps what someone said on the record now?
TL TL TL.
lol. the law & order generation. or is it the good wife?
Hey now. The original Law & Order was legit. The rest of them (and CSI, NCIS, etc) really were crap.
Good move once again by ESF, there is absolutely no reason (at least no good once) to treat Kespa players differently to any other player. This isn't BW and Sc2 has been out for over two years, they made their choice to get into the race late that doesn't mean they should get a free ticket to the front of the line.
Or maybe MLG feels that 24 Kespa players has earned seeds while only 8 ESF players have? I am starting to get really good grounds for boycotting MLG events, not like there aren't more then enough other events to watch.
Im not surprised. Pro players are already so busy as it is with gsl, gstl, ipl, dreamhacks, wcs etc that there is no time left for other tournaments. Esports is going to grow too large (its almost there in my opinion) and pretty soon we will see staggered tournaments, GSL probably still showcasing the top players, and then tiered down from there. The next 6 months will be really interesting.
On September 27 2012 09:08 FXOUnstable wrote: Ok so, FXOBoSs just woke up.
Yes he did go on the record but his comment has been taken out of context, quote given was only as his opinion on one of the factors mentioned when talking to some players on our team. Others include conflicting schedules, prioritizing other events, not enough prize pool etc.
I cannot comment on other players however the conversation with Leenock went along these line. "do you want to play in MvP?" "no too busy with gsl/gstl no time, but kespa 24 esf 8 wtf? sad"
So it was noted by the players but it certainly wasn't all of ESF banding together to not play in the league
Thank you for the update and information. This also reinforces my "Slasher wrote a crappy article" leaning.
So heresay trumps what someone said on the record now?
TL TL TL.
lol. the law & order generation. or is it the good wife?
Hey now. The original Law & Order was legit. The rest of them (and CSI, NCIS, etc) really were crap.
Heyheyhey, hold on now. no one can diss Gibbs. NO ONE
On September 27 2012 09:37 Fenrax wrote: Wow, I really have the feeling I side with Kespa this time.
Kespa players get TWO seeds to Code S RO32 while ESF gets EIGHT into the RO16 OSL and now they fucking complain???
If GSL could give 8 seeds Code S to KeSPA they would've, it would've increased viewership... they just couldn't do it because there's no space without totally revamping the format.
Expect both U&D seeds as well as both Code S seeds to go to KeSPA players this year.
On September 27 2012 09:08 FXOUnstable wrote: Ok so, FXOBoSs just woke up.
Yes he did go on the record but his comment has been taken out of context, quote given was only as his opinion on one of the factors mentioned when talking to some players on our team. Others include conflicting schedules, prioritizing other events, not enough prize pool etc.
I cannot comment on other players however the conversation with Leenock went along these line. "do you want to play in MvP?" "no too busy with gsl/gstl no time, but kespa 24 esf 8 wtf? sad"
So it was noted by the players but it certainly wasn't all of ESF banding together to not play in the league
Thank you for the update and information. This also reinforces my "Slasher wrote a crappy article" leaning.
So heresay trumps what someone said on the record now?
TL TL TL.
lol. the law & order generation. or is it the good wife?
Hey now. The original Law & Order was legit. The rest of them (and CSI, NCIS, etc) really were crap.
Heyheyhey, hold on now. no one can diss Gibbs. NO ONE
Lennie Briscoe can. And would.
Still can't get over how many people are posting in here taking sides over an argument that isn't even confirmed to exist in any official sense.
On September 27 2012 09:38 Assirra wrote: So since Slasher's information is wrong where does he actually gets it from? Putting the gamespot site as a source is not really believable.
Actually, Gamespot IS Slasher. Slasher wrote the article in Gamespot.
4 ESF seeds in OSL, 4 Kespa seeds in GSL (2 in each code, or was it 4 in code A + 2 in code S ? edit : yes it was), and even then it has nothing to do with anything here :O
On September 27 2012 09:37 Fenrax wrote: Wow, I really have the feeling I side with Kespa this time.
Kespa players get TWO seeds to Code S RO32 while ESF gets EIGHT into the RO16 OSL and now they fucking complain???
Read the thread please, what's written in the OP is NOT what's actually going down. According to fxounstable so far only 2 TWO ESF players have declined, and the reason was NOT the unfair treatment. Rumors like this, and allowing this thread to stay up without a big mod note or edit on the OP are really bad since it leaves people like you with the wrong impression from an OP with incorrect information, and the true explanations hidden deeper in the thread and harder to find.
I will always side against Kespa because of what they have done so far in both Broodwar and SC2. They have been nothing but greedy and didn't hesitate to show it to get what they want.
On September 27 2012 09:37 Fenrax wrote: Wow, I really have the feeling I side with Kespa this time.
Kespa players get TWO seeds to Code S RO32 while ESF gets EIGHT into the RO16 OSL and now they fucking complain???
If GSL could give 8 seeds Code S to KeSPA they would've, it would've increased viewership... they just couldn't do it because there's no space without totally revamping the format.
Expect both U&D seeds as well as both Code S seeds to go to KeSPA players this year.
Kespa revamped their format, too. The whole Dual tournament was cut to less than half the slots of what it used to be for Kespa players to make room for the ESFs (with whom they make less money than with Kespa players).
I more and more have the feeling that ESF with Blizz's help puts a pistol into Kespa's face and dictates whatever they feel like.
On September 27 2012 09:37 Fenrax wrote: Wow, I really have the feeling I side with Kespa this time.
Kespa players get TWO seeds to Code S RO32 while ESF gets EIGHT into the RO16 OSL and now they fucking complain???
If GSL could give 8 seeds Code S to KeSPA they would've, it would've increased viewership... they just couldn't do it because there's no space without totally revamping the format.
Expect both U&D seeds as well as both Code S seeds to go to KeSPA players this year.
Kespa revamped their format, too. The whole Dual tournament was cut to less than half the slots of what it used to be for Kespa players to make room for the ESFs (with whom they make less money than with Kespa players).
I more and more have the feeling that ESF with Blizz's help puts a pistol into Kespa's face and dictates whatever they feel like.
Please read the goddamn thread and whats been written by people with actual insight in the story (IE. NOT SLASHER)
On September 27 2012 09:37 Fenrax wrote: Wow, I really have the feeling I side with Kespa this time.
Kespa players get TWO seeds to Code S RO32 while ESF gets EIGHT into the RO16 OSL and now they fucking complain???
If GSL could give 8 seeds Code S to KeSPA they would've, it would've increased viewership... they just couldn't do it because there's no space without totally revamping the format.
Expect both U&D seeds as well as both Code S seeds to go to KeSPA players this year.
Kespa revamped their format, too. The whole Dual tournament was cut to less than half the slots of what it used to be for Kespa players to make room for the ESFs (with whom they make less money than with Kespa players).
I more and more have the feeling that ESF with Blizz's help puts a pistol into Kespa's face and dictates whatever they feel like.
How about reading FXOunstable posts before the conspiracies are starting. The OP is simply WRONG and almost tries to stir up drama.
2)It is an MLG vs PL invitational. Hate to say it, but i think eSF is over reacting. Gom and gsl had a partnership earlier and gsl got benefits. The only difference now is that PL and Gom are seen in direct competition.
3) I admire the equal opportunity idea between PL and GOM, but i think gom should just let this happen because everyone is interested, and it will happen eventually.
4) Let's not talk about who deserves what. Because Blizzard deserves everlasting wealth for giving us sc in the first place if you trace it back far enough
On September 27 2012 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote: i was just laughing at your use of "heresay" and "on the record" since both statements were hearsay and neither was "on the record" in the legal sense.
Saying that someone said something on the record is heresay sure!
But for Slasher to report it, doesn't it have to have been said "on the record"?