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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On September 27 2012 09:53 Assirra wrote: How about reading FXOunstable posts before the conspiracies are starting. The OP is simply WRONG and almost tries to stir up drama. You mean about conflicting schedule? The same thing that was the extremely honest reason why JD and Rain couldn't make it to the GSL before Bliz magically solved the schedule issues? lol sure | ||
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Sepnova
United States43 Posts
Charging money to WATCH a video game is ridiculous. MLG = CPL. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
They would get screwed over by the format in a big way. Honestly i don't like the format either and it's PPV, also the casting is not up to my personal taste. So for me as one viewer it's not a loss, i can imagine for others this news comes as a bumer though. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
Players. What does this achieve? Nothing but tension between the organizations. When mlg and kespa is partnered up like so, darn right they'rw going to be favorited and receive some exclusivity. Hopefully the allegations are false and losira hasnhis own personal reason for dropping out. Mlg charging for these games are unforgivable. Ipl? Dreamhack? All free. You have a large fanbasr anxious to see the kespa players in action and youre going to put a fee or deny it? If you want to charge... Make the price so that you can get better quality and vod... But make the games itself free | ||
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Qnfauf
United States17 Posts
So the important thing is that it's not just ESF doing what they want to do. The players agree to ESF. | ||
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sLideSC2
United States225 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:03 Sepnova wrote: Glad. MLG needs a reality check. Charging money to WATCH a video game is ridiculous. MLG = CPL. I doubt PPV is the reason. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:00 Bippzy wrote: 1)I like eSF trying to play hardball. 2)It is an MLG vs PL invitational. Hate to say it, but i think eSF is over reacting. Gom and gsl had a partnership earlier and gsl got benefits. The only difference now is that PL and Gom are seen in direct competition. 3) I admire the equal opportunity idea between PL and GOM, but i think gom should just let this happen because everyone is interested, and it will happen eventually. 4) Let's not talk about who deserves what. Because Blizzard deserves everlasting wealth for giving us sc in the first place if you trace it back far enough 5) none of this is relevant because this article by slasher isn't relevant. He took an openly admitted uninformed thought by Fxoboss, Wrote up a completely sensationalist article based on basically nothing to stir up a shit ton of drama -.- 2 people declined invites... 2!!!!! That is not ESF pulling out their players or anything of the sort. MKP most likely declined to focus on GSL(As he said in his interview he wants to focus solely on this GSL season) Losira declined for an unknown reason. None of this points to anything even near eSF telling/forcing its players to decline invites -.- | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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rice_devOurer
United States773 Posts
On September 27 2012 09:37 Fenrax wrote: Wow, I really have the feeling I side with Kespa this time. Kespa players get TWO seeds to Code S RO32 while ESF gets EIGHT into the RO16 OSL and now they fucking complain??? That's because there were already 30 people qualified for Code S Ro32. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:01 Fenrax wrote: You mean about conflicting schedule? The same thing that was the extremely honest reason why JD and Rain couldn't make it to the GSL before Bliz magically solved the schedule issues? lol sure More conspiracies doesn't change the fact that the article is WRONG and needs to be either edited or simply locked. That comparison is laughable btw, it wasn't just JD and rain. It was all of the Kespa players, even the ones that said in interviews they want to go. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:01 Fenrax wrote: You mean about conflicting schedule? The same thing that was the extremely honest reason why JD and Rain couldn't make it to the GSL before Bliz magically solved the schedule issues? lol sure You clearly don't get it. KeSPA restructured the Dual Tournament to ensure that KeSPA had a 50% representation in the Ro16 (before everyone knew how similar KeSPA and ESF pros were). They didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart for ESF, they did it to maximize profits. GSL invited KeSPA pros to maximize profits. It isn't just that its a conflicting schedule. It's also that this is a complete waste of their time/talent. Let's assume 8 ESF players had all accepted. They waste five weeks of their time in a season where no matter how well they do as a whole only 2 of them will advance to the playoffs. Then those two have to play each other in order to determine which one of them gets the seed and the loser gets nothing except a waste of a month. Then to get a prize outside of the seed he has to beat the remaining EU player, the top NA player, and the last KeSPA pro in the final. All with cross server lag and presumably terrible times of night to play. MLG kind of forced them to decline. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:11 Assirra wrote: More conspiracies doesn't change the fact that the article is WRONG and needs to be either edited or simply locked. I agree with your opinion regarding the OP. That should be fixed. It is tough to find real info in a 20+ pages thread. But when progamers don't find time for a prestigious online tournament (you can argue about price payout, but not that playing Kespa players isn't extremely prestigious atm) you have to wonder if schedule is really the reason. | ||
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Sepnova
United States43 Posts
I never said it was. I'm just saying they deserve it for trying to charge money. | ||
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desarrisc
Canada226 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:01 Fenrax wrote: You mean about conflicting schedule? The same thing that was the extremely honest reason why JD and Rain couldn't make it to the GSL before Bliz magically solved the schedule issues? lol sure You mean, when KeSPA made an official announcement that they wouldn't take part in it because of scheduling issues? Seems exactly the same as one team guy speaking off the cuff about why his player declined. Rather than, y'know, an official announcement from the eSF organization as a whole. Absolutely the same thing there. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On September 27 2012 09:37 Fenrax wrote: Wow, I really have the feeling I side with Kespa this time. Kespa players get TWO seeds to Code S RO32 while ESF gets EIGHT into the RO16 OSL and now they fucking complain??? eSF didn't get any seeds in OSL, neither did Kespa players. If anything, one can argue that Kespa got 6 seeds because they had separate dual tournament. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:17 Sepnova wrote: I never said it was. I'm just saying they deserve it for trying to charge money. watch Lo3. MLG doesn't have a choice. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:20 NHY wrote: eSF didn't get any seeds in OSL, neither did Kespa players. If anything, one can argue that Kespa got 6 seeds because they had separate dual tournament. thats not true at all. MVP, Nestea, DRG and MC all were seeded into OSL. As were the top players on the Kespa side, can't remember who. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On September 27 2012 10:16 Stutters695 wrote: Stay classy Slasher, one day you'll get it right. You clearly don't get it. KeSPA restructured the Dual Tournament to ensure that KeSPA had a 50% representation in the Ro16 (before everyone knew how similar KeSPA and ESF pros were). They didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart for ESF, they did it to maximize profits. GSL invited KeSPA pros to maximize profits. You say that as if 50% representation in their own tournament was a big number. It is not even a medium number, it is an itsy bitsy tiny number. 6.25% was the number of Kespa players in Code S in comparison. That is the equivalent of 1 ESF player in the RO16. And how the hell is letting noname players (for the Kespa audience) into the OSL maximizing profits? Bisu in the OSL would have made them insanely more profit compared to someone like Oz. | ||
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