On September 27 2012 07:32 TommyP wrote: “When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”
I think he meant to say, "Kespa hasnt helped develop MLG at all."
Also, eSF has every right to do this. They have made MLG great and Starcraft 2 great, they are the ones who deserve everything, not Kespa.
KeSPA created BW eSports and GOM wanted to make their own league (using KeSPA progamers) using Blizzard as buffer. Most of SC2 interest came from BW history/Esports... Oh wait...
On September 27 2012 07:32 TommyP wrote: “When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”
I think he meant to say, "Kespa hasnt helped develop MLG at all."
Also, eSF has every right to do this. They have made MLG great and Starcraft 2 great, they are the ones who deserve everything, not Kespa.
to be fair...kespa made sc2 great without even trying thanks to what they did with bw. i have no doubt sc2(including teamliquid) wouldnt be where it is now if it wasnt for kespa's bw scene.
One could argue that if it weren't for KeSPA, the international BW scene would have been more developed because they wouldn't have been there to bar the best players from attending international events.
On September 27 2012 07:32 TommyP wrote: “When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”
I think he meant to say, "Kespa hasnt helped develop MLG at all."
Also, eSF has every right to do this. They have made MLG great and Starcraft 2 great, they are the ones who deserve everything, not Kespa.
to be fair...kespa made sc2 great without even trying thanks to what they did with bw. i have no doubt sc2(including teamliquid) wouldnt be where it is now if it wasnt for kespa's bw scene.
One could argue that if it weren't for KeSPA, the international BW scene would have been more developed because they wouldn't have been there to bar the best players from attending international events.
what international events? wcg, which they allowed? bw tsl, why would messi play for k-league or advertise nfl in europe? or are you talking foreigners in korea...there were many.
or are you talking sc2? kespa just got into sc2 and look what they're doing, proleague vs mlg, wcs, wcg, gsl?
Jesus motherfucking Christ on a pogo stick juggling chainsaws.
TWO. That's it. Two (2) (dos) (II) players, according to this article, who HAPPEN to be on eSF teams, have declined to participate. The other people specifically named in the article (the 6 Koreans) are actually participating in the tournament, and happen to NOT be on eSF teams.
If you have a fucking source that you can point to, Slasher, that says "The following eSF players were invited, and declined to participate" that is longer than TWO names, do it. Because 2 players do not a boycott make, and your article is written to confuse the issue. (Intentionally, or just really bad sentence structure, I don't know. But there are a lot of people here that can't read as carefully as I apparently do and think that MC, Puma, etc, will not be participating when in fact they are.)
If you are going to make a freaking wild ass statement in an article who's ACTUAL title is "MLG vs KeSPA Broadcast starts Thursday", and then represent it to all of TL as "ESF teams/players decline MLG MvP Invites", have something better than a questionable quote from FXOBoss (who is yet to say anything here, or on Twitter) and 'sources'.
Even if you are correct in your presented argument, I still demand an apology for that article, as it is poorly written and, as stated previously, even below what I expect out of Fox News.
(Yes, I guess this means Slasher has turned me into a hater. As well as completely off of gamespot. Congrats!)
Edit:
Breaking news! EGStephano.RC secret member of eSF!
On September 27 2012 02:05 Fuego wrote: I'm really surprised the ball hasn't dropped for everyone yet.
MLG and KeSPA have a partnership. MLG and KeSPA decide to create a tournament together which involves their players fighting against each other. To make it even more obvious they call it 'MLG vs Proleague'. MLG invites half of the competitors from their roster of players (basically anyone who has attended an MLG) and KeSPA invites the other half of the competitors from their roster of players (see 'Proleague').
How is this unfair? If you want to bitch about it being unfair then surely you should bitch about the amount of foreigners being invited over the better GOM Koreans. I see no problem with what MLG have done.
But I see a problem here, since KeSPA will roflstomp the opposition so hard, it will not be a tournament.
PS. Then again, I am all for it, let the elephants stomp everyone in their way, I want to see the backlash after the tournament is done.
On September 27 2012 08:04 felisconcolori wrote: Jesus motherfucking Christ on a pogo stick juggling chainsaws.
TWO. That's it. Two (2) (dos) (II) players, according to this article, who HAPPEN to be on eSF teams, have declined to participate. The other people specifically named in the article (the 6 Koreans) are actually participating in the tournament, and happen to NOT be on eSF teams.
If you have a fucking source that you can point to, Slasher, that says "The following eSF players were invited, and declined to participate" that is longer than TWO names, do it. Because 2 players do not a boycott make, and your article is written to confuse the issue. (Intentionally, or just really bad sentence structure, I don't know. But there are a lot of people here that can't read as carefully as I apparently do and think that MC, Puma, etc, will not be participating when in fact they are.)
If you are going to make a freaking wild ass statement in an article who's ACTUAL title is "MLG vs KeSPA Broadcast starts Thursday", and then represent it to all of TL as "ESF teams/players decline MLG MvP Invites", have something better than a questionable quote from FXOBoss (who is yet to say anything here, or on Twitter) and 'sources'.
Even if you are correct in your presented argument, I still demand an apology for that article, as it is poorly written and, as stated previously, even below what I expect out of Fox News.
(Yes, I guess this means Slasher has turned me into a hater. As well as completely off of gamespot. Congrats!)
Edit:
Breaking news! EGStephano.RC secret member of eSF!
Well written. People have got to stop trying to make a scene from what really isn't one.
On September 27 2012 08:04 felisconcolori wrote: Jesus motherfucking Christ on a pogo stick juggling chainsaws.
TWO. That's it. Two (2) (dos) (II) players, according to this article, who HAPPEN to be on eSF teams, have declined to participate. The other people specifically named in the article (the 6 Koreans) are actually participating in the tournament, and happen to NOT be on eSF teams.
If you have a fucking source that you can point to, Slasher, that says "The following eSF players were invited, and declined to participate" that is longer than TWO names, do it. Because 2 players do not a boycott make, and your article is written to confuse the issue. (Intentionally, or just really bad sentence structure, I don't know. But there are a lot of people here that can't read as carefully as I apparently do and think that MC, Puma, etc, will not be participating when in fact they are.)
If you are going to make a freaking wild ass statement in an article who's ACTUAL title is "MLG vs KeSPA Broadcast starts Thursday", and then represent it to all of TL as "ESF teams/players decline MLG MvP Invites", have something better than a questionable quote from FXOBoss (who is yet to say anything here, or on Twitter) and 'sources'.
Even if you are correct in your presented argument, I still demand an apology for that article, as it is poorly written and, as stated previously, even below what I expect out of Fox News.
(Yes, I guess this means Slasher has turned me into a hater. As well as completely off of gamespot. Congrats!)
Edit:
Breaking news! EGStephano.RC secret member of eSF!
Well written. People have got to stop trying to make a scene from what really isn't one.
So did MLG just not invite any of the top ESF Koreans.
I don't get how there are so many non-Koreans in an MLG vs Kespa tournament. I'm sure this was voiced already. But, the top 8 of the Summer Championship are: Leenock, First, Thestc, Taeja, Violet, Hero, Revival and Heart. None are going, but were some invited?
On September 27 2012 07:32 TommyP wrote: “When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”
I think he meant to say, "Kespa hasnt helped develop MLG at all."
Also, eSF has every right to do this. They have made MLG great and Starcraft 2 great, they are the ones who deserve everything, not Kespa.
to be fair...kespa made sc2 great without even trying thanks to what they did with bw. i have no doubt sc2(including teamliquid) wouldnt be where it is now if it wasnt for kespa's bw scene.
One could argue that if it weren't for KeSPA, the international BW scene would have been more developed because they wouldn't have been there to bar the best players from attending international events.
On September 27 2012 08:04 felisconcolori wrote: Jesus motherfucking Christ on a pogo stick juggling chainsaws.
TWO. That's it. Two (2) (dos) (II) players, according to this article, who HAPPEN to be on eSF teams, have declined to participate. The other people specifically named in the article (the 6 Koreans) are actually participating in the tournament, and happen to NOT be on eSF teams.
If you have a fucking source that you can point to, Slasher, that says "The following eSF players were invited, and declined to participate" that is longer than TWO names, do it. Because 2 players do not a boycott make, and your article is written to confuse the issue. (Intentionally, or just really bad sentence structure, I don't know. But there are a lot of people here that can't read as carefully as I apparently do and think that MC, Puma, etc, will not be participating when in fact they are.)
If you are going to make a freaking wild ass statement in an article who's ACTUAL title is "MLG vs KeSPA Broadcast starts Thursday", and then represent it to all of TL as "ESF teams/players decline MLG MvP Invites", have something better than a questionable quote from FXOBoss (who is yet to say anything here, or on Twitter) and 'sources'.
Even if you are correct in your presented argument, I still demand an apology for that article, as it is poorly written and, as stated previously, even below what I expect out of Fox News.
(Yes, I guess this means Slasher has turned me into a hater. As well as completely off of gamespot. Congrats!)
Edit:
Breaking news! EGStephano.RC secret member of eSF!
Well written. People have got to stop trying to make a scene from what really isn't one.
So did MLG just not invite any of the top ESF Koreans.
I don't get how there are so many non-Koreans in an MLG vs Kespa tournament. I'm sure this was voiced already. But, the top 8 of the Summer Championship are: Leenock, First, Thestc, Taeja, Violet, Hero, Revival and Heart. None are going, but were some invited?
Watching LO3, MLGLee said invites were offered, but he didn't say to whom exactly - kindof implied maybe. Although Leenock and Taeja have a fairly decent reasoning if they did decline in their current GSL runs.
On September 27 2012 08:04 felisconcolori wrote: Jesus motherfucking Christ on a pogo stick juggling chainsaws.
TWO. That's it. Two (2) (dos) (II) players, according to this article, who HAPPEN to be on eSF teams, have declined to participate. The other people specifically named in the article (the 6 Koreans) are actually participating in the tournament, and happen to NOT be on eSF teams.
If you have a fucking source that you can point to, Slasher, that says "The following eSF players were invited, and declined to participate" that is longer than TWO names, do it. Because 2 players do not a boycott make, and your article is written to confuse the issue. (Intentionally, or just really bad sentence structure, I don't know. But there are a lot of people here that can't read as carefully as I apparently do and think that MC, Puma, etc, will not be participating when in fact they are.)
If you are going to make a freaking wild ass statement in an article who's ACTUAL title is "MLG vs KeSPA Broadcast starts Thursday", and then represent it to all of TL as "ESF teams/players decline MLG MvP Invites", have something better than a questionable quote from FXOBoss (who is yet to say anything here, or on Twitter) and 'sources'.
Even if you are correct in your presented argument, I still demand an apology for that article, as it is poorly written and, as stated previously, even below what I expect out of Fox News.
(Yes, I guess this means Slasher has turned me into a hater. As well as completely off of gamespot. Congrats!)
Edit:
Breaking news! EGStephano.RC secret member of eSF!
Well written. People have got to stop trying to make a scene from what really isn't one.
So did MLG just not invite any of the top ESF Koreans.
I don't get how there are so many non-Koreans in an MLG vs Kespa tournament. I'm sure this was voiced already. But, the top 8 of the Summer Championship are: Leenock, First, Thestc, Taeja, Violet, Hero, Revival and Heart. None are going, but were some invited?
Watching LO3, MLGLee said invites were offered, but he didn't say to whom exactly - kindof implied maybe. Although Leenock and Taeja have a fairly decent reasoning if they did decline in their current GSL runs.
Leenock and Taeja weren't invited, they were both top 8 at MLG Raleigh and are seed to MLG Dallas.
On September 27 2012 07:32 TommyP wrote: “When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”
I think he meant to say, "Kespa hasnt helped develop MLG at all."
Also, eSF has every right to do this. They have made MLG great and Starcraft 2 great, they are the ones who deserve everything, not Kespa.
to be fair...kespa made sc2 great without even trying thanks to what they did with bw. i have no doubt sc2(including teamliquid) wouldnt be where it is now if it wasnt for kespa's bw scene.
This , as much as People dislike kespa they kept the game we loved ( and still love ) going . The fact they got more invites isn't that big of a deal since it is KesPa vs MLG wouldn't be KesPa with all KesPa players getting put through a gauntlet of qualifiers where they get knocked out . The Gom/ ESF players have done this all before and the 8 invites are world class players that have proved themselves. Everyone wants to see the legends vs the veterans of sc2 .
On September 27 2012 08:04 felisconcolori wrote: Jesus motherfucking Christ on a pogo stick juggling chainsaws.
TWO. That's it. Two (2) (dos) (II) players, according to this article, who HAPPEN to be on eSF teams, have declined to participate. The other people specifically named in the article (the 6 Koreans) are actually participating in the tournament, and happen to NOT be on eSF teams.
If you have a fucking source that you can point to, Slasher, that says "The following eSF players were invited, and declined to participate" that is longer than TWO names, do it. Because 2 players do not a boycott make, and your article is written to confuse the issue. (Intentionally, or just really bad sentence structure, I don't know. But there are a lot of people here that can't read as carefully as I apparently do and think that MC, Puma, etc, will not be participating when in fact they are.)
If you are going to make a freaking wild ass statement in an article who's ACTUAL title is "MLG vs KeSPA Broadcast starts Thursday", and then represent it to all of TL as "ESF teams/players decline MLG MvP Invites", have something better than a questionable quote from FXOBoss (who is yet to say anything here, or on Twitter) and 'sources'.
Even if you are correct in your presented argument, I still demand an apology for that article, as it is poorly written and, as stated previously, even below what I expect out of Fox News.
(Yes, I guess this means Slasher has turned me into a hater. As well as completely off of gamespot. Congrats!)
Edit:
Breaking news! EGStephano.RC secret member of eSF!
Well written. People have got to stop trying to make a scene from what really isn't one.
So did MLG just not invite any of the top ESF Koreans.
I don't get how there are so many non-Koreans in an MLG vs Kespa tournament. I'm sure this was voiced already. But, the top 8 of the Summer Championship are: Leenock, First, Thestc, Taeja, Violet, Hero, Revival and Heart. None are going, but were some invited?
The only 'confirmed' invites were MKP and Losira. They both declined. There is no evidence of that being for any other reason than personal ones.
Seeing that we have no information on how invites were distributed, there is no real way to tell who else could have been invited. It seems very strange that a player like Leenock, who won the last Championship, would not be invited. However the issue of Leenock was not breached in the article which takes information from a conversation with his team manager, so either Slasher did not ask about it, which would be really strange, or Leenock was not invited. If Leenock was not invited, there is really no way of telling who would be. It could be of course that invites were based on a ranking system pre-dating the last season of MLG, but again, that is pure speculation at this point.
In short, the headline must either:
a) hinge on information not disclosed in the actual article, b) infer a rather long jump between FXOBoSs confirming tension between KeSPA and eSF, which is pretty much taken to be true given the nature of recent events, but cannot be held as the main factor for two players to withdraw, c) be intentionally misleading, inferring an internal, federation-wide decision not to accept invites when we have no data to support such a claim.
I do not have any inside information about this, but the parts of what has been made public does not make up the sum of what the headline would lead anyone to believe.
On September 27 2012 08:43 Wedge wrote: Damn, the Kespa vs ESF players drama and storylines is one of the more interesting ones, and helps add some more drama and excitement to the games.
Yep. If it's real. I am not convinced there is any drama here not of Slasher's making.
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