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ESF teams/players missing from MLG vs Proleague - Page 19

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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
September 26 2012 21:50 GMT
#361
On September 27 2012 06:47 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 06:39 Mojodishu wrote:
And now Stephano is pulling out too, meh.


Source?



Sad to Stephano out, was looking forward to him playing against the KeSPA pros.
@DreamingBird
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
September 26 2012 21:52 GMT
#362
Everyone afraid of losing to the Elephants
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
September 26 2012 21:52 GMT
#363
shitty, wish i puma and MC were going. hopefully something like this doesnt happen again
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
September 26 2012 21:53 GMT
#364
On September 27 2012 00:59 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 00:49 Zorkmid wrote:
Was PPV one of the issues?


I highly highly doubt it considering ESF players gained their fame through playing in a PPV tournament (GSL). In my opinion there's nothing wrong with PPV anyway, and I'd view MLG no differently if they took the GSL approach of offering a free version that made your eyes bleed or a paid version that doest.


GSL is free to watch though...you are completely 100% incorrect in saying that GSL is a mandatory paid thing. You have the option to pay for more pixels like every other single tournament. They're not like MLG and trying to monopolize the SC2 scene in their country.
Save me from myself
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
September 26 2012 21:55 GMT
#365
On September 27 2012 06:53 brokenLoL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 00:59 TheDougler wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:49 Zorkmid wrote:
Was PPV one of the issues?


I highly highly doubt it considering ESF players gained their fame through playing in a PPV tournament (GSL). In my opinion there's nothing wrong with PPV anyway, and I'd view MLG no differently if they took the GSL approach of offering a free version that made your eyes bleed or a paid version that doest.


GSL is free to watch though...you are completely 100% incorrect in saying that GSL is a mandatory paid thing. You have the option to pay for more pixels like every other single tournament. They're not like MLG and trying to monopolize the SC2 scene in their country.

How innocent you are if you there is a good guy/bad guy here
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
September 26 2012 21:58 GMT
#366
On September 27 2012 05:58 Redox wrote:
Very good decision by ESF.

I fully support it.


what decision ?
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
September 26 2012 21:58 GMT
#367
wouldnt suprise me if ESF have woken up and smelt the coffee.. yeh they got a shedload of money from winning all the tournaments but flying all round the world to every event or other event for people like MC isnt beneficial in long term... Thats one of the reasons that Kespa players will pick and choose only a small handful of tournaments if that.. One of the main reasons they werent going to enter GSL because this season or the next... ESF needs to realise Kespa will catch them and overtake them unless they pull the finger out of the ass and start practice and not flying around the world...
Live and Let Die!
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 26 2012 22:00 GMT
#368
Well fuck, why did I pay for a ticket now? lol. This better transfer over into other MLG type events or I'll be very pissed at MLG.
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chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
September 26 2012 22:00 GMT
#369
aw this makes me sad
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
September 26 2012 22:05 GMT
#370
On September 27 2012 06:50 Imbu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 06:47 TheDougler wrote:
On September 27 2012 06:39 Mojodishu wrote:
And now Stephano is pulling out too, meh.


Source?

https://twitter.com/EvilGeniuses/status/251072739333517312

Sad to Stephano out, was looking forward to him playing against the KeSPA pros.


stephano avoid matchs with koreans

more news at 11
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
September 26 2012 22:08 GMT
#371
On September 27 2012 06:52 Nazeron wrote:
shitty, wish i puma and MC were going. hopefully something like this doesnt happen again


Those two are still competing as far as we know. Puma for sure.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
September 26 2012 22:13 GMT
#372
Didn't really care for an online tournament with the KeSPA pros anyways. No matter the outcome, people will complain about lag issues and whatnot.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
September 26 2012 22:13 GMT
#373
Has MLG said which server they would play on?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 22:15:40
September 26 2012 22:15 GMT
#374
It seems this title is very sensationalist, for instance Last in his interview said
Lastly, I want to let my teammates know that I am anxiously waiting to hear from them about what happened regarding MLG.
, which means the schedule is basically conflicting with GSL, which means I'm sure ESF players didn't declined their invites as a concerted move but because they're already very busy and the prizepool isn't worth the hassle. Especially that ESF players knows very well how is it to play cross server.
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 22:27:43
September 26 2012 22:24 GMT
#375
If they would rather go back to washing dishes then playing in competitive leagues then let them. You would think that while they are still able to compete with the KESPA palyers they would jump at the opportunity to make some money before most of their careers end.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens when KESPA proleague begins and if any of the teams start buying some of the big names from the ESF teams. If that dosent happen then the power is going to go to the one whos players perform the best in the OSL and GSL. If for example in 3 months the ro16 for both the OSL and GSL consists of 80% KESPA or GOM players respectively, then im pretty sure international leagues will be inviting those guys, even worse viewership of one of the leagues would drastically drop.

If KESPA and GOM continue to not work together then it wouldnt be to far fetched to imagine the leagues being rigged in some way for their respective players to become dominent. Otherwise the KESPA proleague the crown jewel that runs for 10 months a year, would basically lose prestige and a lot of viewers particulary form the foreign community. For GOM their team league would also lose credibility and have to fold and ESF teams in general would find it hard to keep finding sponserships when they are constantly out performed by the KESPA players.

So if the current top GSL players are playing at the highest skill ceilling that exists in SC2, then the best the KESPA players can do is compete with them equally and that would allow for both leagues to continue existing. If however KESPA players are able to reach a higher level, that allows them to consistently outperform the GSL players like in BW or if for some reason the skill set needed in SC2 suits B-teamers more and as a result does not allow KESPA players to ever match the GOM players, then it is inevitable that one of these leagues disapers or drastically changes unless GOM and KESPA come to some kind of compromise.
BW4LIFE
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 26 2012 22:32 GMT
#376
“When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”

I think he meant to say, "Kespa hasnt helped develop MLG at all."

Also, eSF has every right to do this. They have made MLG great and Starcraft 2 great, they are the ones who deserve everything, not Kespa.

#TheOneTrueDong
eleaf
Profile Joined September 2011
526 Posts
September 26 2012 22:49 GMT
#377
On September 27 2012 07:24 ChoiSulli wrote:
If they would rather go back to washing dishes then playing in competitive leagues then let them. You would think that while they are still able to compete with the KESPA palyers they would jump at the opportunity to make some money before most of their careers end.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens when KESPA proleague begins and if any of the teams start buying some of the big names from the ESF teams. If that dosent happen then the power is going to go to the one whos players perform the best in the OSL and GSL. If for example in 3 months the ro16 for both the OSL and GSL consists of 80% KESPA or GOM players respectively, then im pretty sure international leagues will be inviting those guys, even worse viewership of one of the leagues would drastically drop.

If KESPA and GOM continue to not work together then it wouldnt be to far fetched to imagine the leagues being rigged in some way for their respective players to become dominent. Otherwise the KESPA proleague the crown jewel that runs for 10 months a year, would basically lose prestige and a lot of viewers particulary form the foreign community. For GOM their team league would also lose credibility and have to fold and ESF teams in general would find it hard to keep finding sponserships when they are constantly out performed by the KESPA players.

So if the current top GSL players are playing at the highest skill ceilling that exists in SC2, then the best the KESPA players can do is compete with them equally and that would allow for both leagues to continue existing. If however KESPA players are able to reach a higher level, that allows them to consistently outperform the GSL players like in BW or if for some reason the skill set needed in SC2 suits B-teamers more and as a result does not allow KESPA players to ever match the GOM players, then it is inevitable that one of these leagues disapers or drastically changes unless GOM and KESPA come to some kind of compromise.


Well, except you forgot one point: KeSPA players are not allowed to attend foreign tournaments because ... they are under KeSPA.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 22:52:21
September 26 2012 22:49 GMT
#378
On September 27 2012 07:32 TommyP wrote:
“When KESPA hasn't helped develop MLG as much as ESF teams have.”

I think he meant to say, "Kespa hasnt helped develop MLG at all."

Also, eSF has every right to do this. They have made MLG great and Starcraft 2 great, they are the ones who deserve everything, not Kespa.



to be fair...kespa made sc2 great without even trying thanks to what they did with bw. i have no doubt sc2(including teamliquid) wouldnt be where it is now if it wasnt for kespa's bw scene.
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sLideSC2
Profile Joined July 2012
United States225 Posts
September 26 2012 22:53 GMT
#379
This is a pretty smart move by ESF. I hate to say it.
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FragRaptor
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
September 26 2012 22:56 GMT
#380
ESF is being waaay too hormonal about this. The whole point is to beat kespa as a united global force. MLG Doesn't want ESF vs. Kespa they can make that on their own......

All this MvP hate is really getting on my nerves... so much ignorance and general stupidity.
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