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CCalms
Profile Joined November 2010
United States341 Posts
September 12 2012 02:54 GMT
#21
I hereby nominate OP for the "most oblivious starcraft 2 player" award.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:03:44
September 12 2012 03:03 GMT
#22
MMr is not caped at the end.
In fact there are guys with 3k +

And you did not awnser the question nr.1
Why would you do all this?
Save gaming: kill esport
PopTartSplash
Profile Joined September 2011
United States12 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:18:13
September 12 2012 03:17 GMT
#23
A)

Partial arrange team Queing in Random team ladders and getting ranked on random team ladder. You look at any random team ladder player that has a somewhat decent / good record at masters and you will always see them playing with the same people all the time +1 randomly given ally. All the best records is from pre-team abuse. Blizzard has stuff in to compensate for a full arrange team vs random team to even up the matchup, but with partial arrange team there is nothing in place. Random team ladder is basically a meaningless ladder right now and its better off being called an Arrange team ladder because thats what it is, if you want to get to the top of Random team ladder with a somewhat good record you gotta play with friends. Its pretty easy for 3 good players to accept 1 bad player in 4v4 rt or 3v3 rt and do strong cheeses to easily take out the 4 completely random team players. Abuse = abuse. Hate the fact random team ladder isnt a true random team ladder. It removes the whole point of playing random team ladder completely. If i wanted to play arrange team ladder i'd play arrange team ladder, you know with friends? Why must i be forced to play with friends to compete on random team ladder? LAWL stupid blizzard and their ideas..


B)

outside of 2v2, the maps are really bad. They piegon hole you into certain builds all the time, really big ramps, separated bases.... All they do is promote heavy heavy cheese, Its a dual zerg 8-10 pool playground with ramps that big. Lets say for instance you play terran in 4v4 rt, how the fuck do you defend your allys on the other side of the map against dual 10 pools? . YOu can do a fast gas to reactor hellion, but if the 10 pools hit your side instead, your dead because you wont have it out in time. So really terran is forced into 2 rax marine everygame and pulling scvs. Most of the time your ally die and your just fighting a downhill battle from the get go. Bascially the balance is so bad its pointless to even play

C) 1v1 is where its at , blizzard knows this and thats all they care about.


This^ is perfect. That is 100 percent true. I myself am guilty of queuing with people. It's not truly random. Blizzard does know 1v1 is where its at. Thanks for this Johny123.

To everyone: I am REALLY sorry about the queue mix-up. I KNEW I was doing something wrong. I think i have corrected all of them. Thanks for noticing.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:19:49
September 12 2012 03:19 GMT
#24
Well of course, the longer you delay placing, the more likely you'll be put into a division with the most players who are the least active. Though for those who are low masters level who want to get top 8, you'll get a decent chance by simply waiting 1 week before placing.

I hadn't considered something so extreme (relatively) as waiting til the end of the season first though, haha.
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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
September 12 2012 03:21 GMT
#25
Yet another reason why 2s/3s/4s isn't taken seriously haha
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:24:42
September 12 2012 03:23 GMT
#26
On September 12 2012 11:49 Kashll wrote:
You spent a long time researching things, preparing screenshots and writing. Yet you didn't look up the correct spelling of "queue". You could be saying brilliant things about starcraft, I don't know. Because i instantly started skimming your posts once you lost your credibility.

Life is in the details man.


Yeah, and you could have said something that added to the discussion instead you just criticized someones spelling on the internet. Not just any place on the internet, a place where a lot of non native English speakers come to discuss things. You should try being nice and considerate instead of a grumpy gramps.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of your statement though.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:25:15
September 12 2012 03:23 GMT
#27
On September 12 2012 11:54 CCalms wrote:
I hereby nominate OP for the "most oblivious starcraft 2 player" award.

I second this! Take it to a vote!

edit: + Show Spoiler +
no hard feelings OP, it was a well-constructed and informative post. and I'm glad for that. at the same time, lol who cares. ^^
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SkullXbones
Profile Joined July 2012
United States58 Posts
September 12 2012 03:25 GMT
#28
So your saying that you deflated your teams MMR by having an account on your team with a low MMR. Yeah you find matches quicker but you also face opponts with less MMR then should. Thats why your win ratio is so high. Your cheating the system imo. Which means your top "3" is really all show. Sure you might be good, but from what your saying you didnt earn it.
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:32:26
September 12 2012 03:30 GMT
#29
They changed the ladder system this new season.
It used to be that even if you're top 8 in your division, it didn't actually mean that you were high masters or even "top" of the low master players because of all the different divisions.

Now they have it that if you're say top 8 in your division, you're top 8% of whatever rank you are. I doubt he'll still be able to do this.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7157308/Season_8_Now_Locked_and_Big_Changes_Coming_Next_Season-9_6_2012

Ladder Tier Removal

Currently not all divisions within a League are created equal. Individual divisions are actually assigned to different “tiers”, and players are assigned to tiers based on skill. This system hasn't been very transparent, making it difficult to determine your next promotion. For example, if you’re in a lower tiered Diamond division, just getting to Rank 1 doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll see a promotion soon.

With the goal of increasing transparency for ladder players, we’re removing tiers from the ladder with the commencement of 2012 Season 4. The removal of tiers from all leagues will allow players to better gauge exactly where they’re at on the ladder and how far away they are from the next league.

After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


So he never actually made "top" of any league but only a useless division which in my eyes, is nothing to brag about.
Root4Root
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
September 12 2012 03:48 GMT
#30
On September 12 2012 11:49 Kashll wrote:
You spent a long time researching things, preparing screenshots and writing. Yet you didn't look up the correct spelling of "queue". You could be saying brilliant things about starcraft, I don't know. Because i instantly started skimming your posts once you lost your credibility.

Life is in the details man.


You've instantly lost your credibility with this useless post correcting someones grammar and scolding/judging them for it.

As for the exploit here, people seem to always be able to find a new way to cheat the system. If it really makes them feel better about themselves, then it's rather pathetic anyway.
"Don't take life too seriously because you'll never get out alive."
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
September 12 2012 03:49 GMT
#31
On September 12 2012 11:09 MicroTastiC wrote:
top 8,25,50 means something. top 8 indicates that you're at least half decent relative to your location in masters. people who are mediocre wouldn;t get there in a lifetime.


Actually there are plenty of mediocre players in GM sooo... yeah.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
convention
Profile Joined October 2011
United States622 Posts
September 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#32
On September 12 2012 11:48 johnny123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:30 Insomni7 wrote:
wow, you figured how to smurf and how to get meaningless rankings. This was one of the more obnoxious and irritating posts ive read in a very long time.



no, i disagee. Im glad people post stuff like this, a flawed ladder system is flawed, the more people that know about the abuse, the more inclined blizzard is to act.

There is a whole bunch of different problems i have with team games as well. There are alot more abuses that just turn me off completely from the team games.


A)

Partial arrange team Queing in Random team ladders and getting ranked on random team ladder. You look at any random team ladder player that has a somewhat decent / good record at masters and you will always see them playing with the same people all the time +1 randomly given ally. All the best records is from pre-team abuse. Blizzard has stuff in to compensate for a full arrange team vs random team to even up the matchup, but with partial arrange team there is nothing in place. Random team ladder is basically a meaningless ladder right now and its better off being called an Arrange team ladder because thats what it is, if you want to get to the top of Random team ladder with a somewhat good record you gotta play with friends. Its pretty easy for 3 good players to accept 1 bad player in 4v4 rt or 3v3 rt and do strong cheeses to easily take out the 4 completely random team players. Abuse = abuse. Hate the fact random team ladder isnt a true random team ladder. It removes the whole point of playing random team ladder completely. If i wanted to play arrange team ladder i'd play arrange team ladder, you know with friends? Why must i be forced to play with friends to compete on random team ladder? LAWL stupid blizzard and their ideas..


B)

outside of 2v2, the maps are really bad. They piegon hole you into certain builds all the time, really big ramps, separated bases.... All they do is promote heavy heavy cheese, Its a dual zerg 8-10 pool playground with ramps that big. Lets say for instance you play terran in 4v4 rt, how the fuck do you defend your allys on the other side of the map against dual 10 pools? . YOu can do a fast gas to reactor hellion, but if the 10 pools hit your side instead, your dead because you wont have it out in time. So really terran is forced into 2 rax marine everygame and pulling scvs. Most of the time your ally die and your just fighting a downhill battle from the get go. Bascially the balance is so bad its pointless to even play

C) 1v1 is where its at , blizzard knows this and thats all they care about.

Well said, except I disagree witht he "outside of 2v2 part." 2v2 Maps are really bad too .
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 12 2012 05:29 GMT
#33
On September 12 2012 12:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
They changed the ladder system this new season.
It used to be that even if you're top 8 in your division, it didn't actually mean that you were high masters or even "top" of the low master players because of all the different divisions.

Now they have it that if you're say top 8 in your division, you're top 8% of whatever rank you are. I doubt he'll still be able to do this.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7157308/Season_8_Now_Locked_and_Big_Changes_Coming_Next_Season-9_6_2012

Show nested quote +
Ladder Tier Removal

Currently not all divisions within a League are created equal. Individual divisions are actually assigned to different “tiers”, and players are assigned to tiers based on skill. This system hasn't been very transparent, making it difficult to determine your next promotion. For example, if you’re in a lower tiered Diamond division, just getting to Rank 1 doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll see a promotion soon.

With the goal of increasing transparency for ladder players, we’re removing tiers from the ladder with the commencement of 2012 Season 4. The removal of tiers from all leagues will allow players to better gauge exactly where they’re at on the ladder and how far away they are from the next league.

After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


So he never actually made "top" of any league but only a useless division which in my eyes, is nothing to brag about.


that's not what it means

it means that the invisible bonus points you got for being in a certain tier division dont' exist anymore, bronze-diamond work the same way as masters does now
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 12 2012 05:39 GMT
#34
Bahaha I was expecting some retarded "get top 8 masters by doing this strategy / this training regiment" or something like that. At least you have a legitimate "exploit" in obtaining it.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 12 2012 05:40 GMT
#35
On September 12 2012 12:30 nakedsurfer wrote:
They changed the ladder system this new season.
It used to be that even if you're top 8 in your division, it didn't actually mean that you were high masters or even "top" of the low master players because of all the different divisions.

Now they have it that if you're say top 8 in your division, you're top 8% of whatever rank you are. I doubt he'll still be able to do this.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7157308/Season_8_Now_Locked_and_Big_Changes_Coming_Next_Season-9_6_2012

Show nested quote +
Ladder Tier Removal

Currently not all divisions within a League are created equal. Individual divisions are actually assigned to different “tiers”, and players are assigned to tiers based on skill. This system hasn't been very transparent, making it difficult to determine your next promotion. For example, if you’re in a lower tiered Diamond division, just getting to Rank 1 doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll see a promotion soon.

With the goal of increasing transparency for ladder players, we’re removing tiers from the ladder with the commencement of 2012 Season 4. The removal of tiers from all leagues will allow players to better gauge exactly where they’re at on the ladder and how far away they are from the next league.

After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


So he never actually made "top" of any league but only a useless division which in my eyes, is nothing to brag about.


It did for masters. Only Bronze - Diamond had that shitty random ass tier system. Masters didn't have it - it was always percentile.
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
September 12 2012 05:56 GMT
#36
This is a really good trick to get the achievements for top 8 masters 1v1 or team games.
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DougJDempsey
Profile Joined April 2010
747 Posts
September 12 2012 06:11 GMT
#37
On September 12 2012 14:56 wptlzkwjd wrote:
This is a really good trick to get the achievements for top 8 masters 1v1 or team games.


Well, at least we know blizz's policy of removing the losses and adding meaningless achivements to cater to the casuals worked.
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1092 Posts
September 12 2012 06:39 GMT
#38
On September 12 2012 11:48 johnny123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 11:30 Insomni7 wrote:
wow, you figured how to smurf and how to get meaningless rankings. This was one of the more obnoxious and irritating posts ive read in a very long time.



no, i disagee. Im glad people post stuff like this, a flawed ladder system is flawed, the more people that know about the abuse, the more inclined blizzard is to act.

There is a whole bunch of different problems i have with team games as well. There are alot more abuses that just turn me off completely from the team games.


A)

Partial arrange team Queing in Random team ladders and getting ranked on random team ladder. You look at any random team ladder player that has a somewhat decent / good record at masters and you will always see them playing with the same people all the time +1 randomly given ally. All the best records is from pre-team abuse. Blizzard has stuff in to compensate for a full arrange team vs random team to even up the matchup, but with partial arrange team there is nothing in place. Random team ladder is basically a meaningless ladder right now and its better off being called an Arrange team ladder because thats what it is, if you want to get to the top of Random team ladder with a somewhat good record you gotta play with friends. Its pretty easy for 3 good players to accept 1 bad player in 4v4 rt or 3v3 rt and do strong cheeses to easily take out the 4 completely random team players. Abuse = abuse. Hate the fact random team ladder isnt a true random team ladder. It removes the whole point of playing random team ladder completely. If i wanted to play arrange team ladder i'd play arrange team ladder, you know with friends? Why must i be forced to play with friends to compete on random team ladder? LAWL stupid blizzard and their ideas..


B)

outside of 2v2, the maps are really bad. They piegon hole you into certain builds all the time, really big ramps, separated bases.... All they do is promote heavy heavy cheese, Its a dual zerg 8-10 pool playground with ramps that big. Lets say for instance you play terran in 4v4 rt, how the fuck do you defend your allys on the other side of the map against dual 10 pools? . YOu can do a fast gas to reactor hellion, but if the 10 pools hit your side instead, your dead because you wont have it out in time. So really terran is forced into 2 rax marine everygame and pulling scvs. Most of the time
your ally die and your just fighting a downhill battle from the get go. Bascially the balance is so bad its pointless to even play

C) 1v1 is where its at , blizzard knows this and thats all they care about.

If blizz care about 1v1 why is the map pool total shit? With unbalanced map spawns and just generally bad
Maps?
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
September 12 2012 06:42 GMT
#39
I don't think people take the ladder too seriously. At least if you used to it's a good reason not to.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
PopTartSplash
Profile Joined September 2011
United States12 Posts
September 12 2012 21:02 GMT
#40
On September 12 2012 14:56 wptlzkwjd wrote:
This is a really good trick to get the achievements for top 8 masters 1v1 or team games.


kind of... It's kind of like cheating IMO. To me it's like saying map-hacking is a good trick to be better at this game. Obviously it is NOT a good trick to be better, just an example. To me, if you have a top 8 masters achievement it should really mean something. Mean you know quite a bit about this game. With exploits like this its hard to know just how GOOD you really have to be to get these achievements.
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