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On September 08 2012 07:58 Shinobi1982 wrote:How is this not on at least 10th page by now? No drama no interest, it sure looks like it  .
There really isn't a whole lot to discuss at this point, besides speculation and hope. I'm sure any decisions or announcements that come out off this will draw plenty of debate. At this point tho we can be hyped about the potential growth as a sport we could see Starcraft making because of this, and then fear the level of bureaucratic bullshit we could be subjected to as it transitions from motivated players and community members with a dream to greedy business men. Oh the joy.
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On September 08 2012 07:15 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't think anything significant will be accomplished by the discussions. I think more could be accomplished by having private discussions, which I assume these folks already have when necessary.
edit: This is my polite way of saying that this event is a big "hey look at us" I don't think there needs to be "significant accomplishment" in order for the congress to be worthwhile. Surely these people have insight about the inner workings of teams and leagues that the public rarely glimpses, and they could share it with us a bit. Also, them saying that this will be an opportunity to "meet in real life" implies they probably don't have an open dialogue about this already. Surely private discussions will also be a component of this.
I don't understand if you're trying to say something different than what I just said. I intentionally left open the possibility that the event as a whole could be worthwhile without the public discussions accomplishing anything. The public discussions will sway public opinion and be informative as trivia for a curious public but will otherwise be unproductive. I don't see what value the discussion gains from being public. Privacy encourages candor and privilege. It must not be the discussion gaining value but rather something else. I invite anyone to weigh the pros and cons of having these discussions publicly or privately. Publicity is better for sending out a message. The public will play no role. They're invited to watch and have their opinions swayed. And so the speakers will be talking not just to resolve whatever problem the discussion is focused on, but also to affect public opinion. A discussion unburdened by an extra purpose would be more productive.
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Hopefully this doesn't turn out as the giant public circle jerk that it appears to be
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On September 08 2012 08:13 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 07:15 Doodsmack wrote:On September 08 2012 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't think anything significant will be accomplished by the discussions. I think more could be accomplished by having private discussions, which I assume these folks already have when necessary.
edit: This is my polite way of saying that this event is a big "hey look at us" I don't think there needs to be "significant accomplishment" in order for the congress to be worthwhile. Surely these people have insight about the inner workings of teams and leagues that the public rarely glimpses, and they could share it with us a bit. Also, them saying that this will be an opportunity to "meet in real life" implies they probably don't have an open dialogue about this already. Surely private discussions will also be a component of this. I don't understand if you're trying to say something different than what I just said. I intentionally left open the possibility that the event as a whole could be worthwhile without the public discussions accomplishing anything. The public discussions will sway public opinion and be informative as trivia for a curious public but will otherwise be unproductive. I don't see what value the discussion gains from being public. Privacy encourages candor and privilege. It must not be the discussion gaining value but rather something else. I invite anyone to weigh the pros and cons of having these discussions publicly or privately. Publicity is better for sending out a message. The public will play no role. They're invited to watch and have their opinions swayed. And so the speakers will be talking not just to resolve whatever problem the discussion is focused on, but also to affect public opinion. A discussion unburdened by an extra purpose would be more productive.
It depends on what "productivity" is supposed to be. One advantage of discourse being public is that a certain kind of accountability is added. The interests of the public play a more central role, and thus the discussion may be more 'productive' from the public's point of view. If the world sees your negotiations, then you will be more careful about what you put on the table. In private, for example, discussions could theoretically center around how to increase subscription costs as much as possible to the detriment of fans, while in public this could not be a central topic.
I think that you are right that some candor is lost, but I think that public discourse has distinct advantages over backroom negotiations that shouldn't be discounted.
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On September 07 2012 23:40 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 23:18 imMUTAble787 wrote:
more like esports illuminati ;] It can't be esports illuminati no one from TL is there.
That is because they're the metailluminati pulling the strings behind this illuminati
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On September 08 2012 05:28 ExPresident wrote:
Would like to see Day9 there. Right now we've got a bunch of guys who are either involved with the ownership of teams (players), to the guys who make money from the venue's all potentially discussing the future of a new sport where they can make more money. I understand it's about making money in business but this is already looking like a big pow wow on how you can milk the average gamer/consumer more.
I think having some strong community members there would be a step in the right direction of ensuring some level ground as far as the discussions go, but then again I don't know what they are actually discussing. It was only a matter of time tho before someone began the steps toward this and while I think its a positive thing overall, hopefully we don't see everything get muddy because of it.
*Sarcasm*
Yeah Day9 doesnt want to earn money from esports
*end of sarcasm*
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Göran Hellgren – Telia Sonera
A represent from Telia is huge. If we can get Telia even more involved they could single handily take international Esport to the next level
And CBS impressive
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Strangely worded post. You have to read the link to actually find out when this is happening...
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This begins tomorrow - I have to say, I am extremely excited for this, the talks should be pretty interesting to hear.
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They question I would raise:
Ever since success of World of Warcraft we have seen that making a "MMO" was the buzzword of the past 5 year for publishers to try and make money. Almost all failed very hard.
Now in the past year it was very noticeable a trend away from MMO and now "e-sports" seems the new buzzword. Following the success stories of Starcraft2 and much more that of League of Legends. Many many titles pop up and try to milk the cash cows (players and spectators).
Do the participants in the so called esports industry notice this trend too?
If yes, how do they plan to approach and handle the incoming swarm of possible titles?
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Since this is day time i wont be able to watch from work, looking forward to some enlightening thoughts though.
More important though is that the big guns get together for once and have some better knowing each others.
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fuck just tuned in, how much did i miss?
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Just the history of esports summed up in 20 mins.
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On September 21 2012 17:22 zaii wrote:
fuck just tuned in, how much did i miss?
about 20 minutes.
Redeye opening proceedings with a bit of esports history and talking about the developments we've had to get to this point.
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Zvetan Dragulev is probably in my top 3 fantastic names for a villain.
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Pretty awesome speech from Redeye.
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On September 21 2012 17:34 Laryleprakon wrote:
Pretty awesome speech from Redeye.
Amazing speech
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I'm surprised Sundance isn't there.
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