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ExPresident
Profile Joined January 2010
United States215 Posts
September 07 2012 23:10 GMT
#61
On September 08 2012 07:58 Shinobi1982 wrote:
How is this not on at least 10th page by now? No drama no interest, it sure looks like it .


There really isn't a whole lot to discuss at this point, besides speculation and hope. I'm sure any decisions or announcements that come out off this will draw plenty of debate. At this point tho we can be hyped about the potential growth as a sport we could see Starcraft making because of this, and then fear the level of bureaucratic bullshit we could be subjected to as it transitions from motivated players and community members with a dream to greedy business men. Oh the joy.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 07 2012 23:13 GMT
#62
On September 08 2012 07:15 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't think anything significant will be accomplished by the discussions. I think more could be accomplished by having private discussions, which I assume these folks already have when necessary.

edit: This is my polite way of saying that this event is a big "hey look at us"



I don't think there needs to be "significant accomplishment" in order for the congress to be worthwhile. Surely these people have insight about the inner workings of teams and leagues that the public rarely glimpses, and they could share it with us a bit. Also, them saying that this will be an opportunity to "meet in real life" implies they probably don't have an open dialogue about this already. Surely private discussions will also be a component of this.

I don't understand if you're trying to say something different than what I just said. I intentionally left open the possibility that the event as a whole could be worthwhile without the public discussions accomplishing anything. The public discussions will sway public opinion and be informative as trivia for a curious public but will otherwise be unproductive. I don't see what value the discussion gains from being public. Privacy encourages candor and privilege. It must not be the discussion gaining value but rather something else. I invite anyone to weigh the pros and cons of having these discussions publicly or privately. Publicity is better for sending out a message. The public will play no role. They're invited to watch and have their opinions swayed. And so the speakers will be talking not just to resolve whatever problem the discussion is focused on, but also to affect public opinion. A discussion unburdened by an extra purpose would be more productive.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
September 07 2012 23:20 GMT
#63
Hopefully this doesn't turn out as the giant public circle jerk that it appears to be
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
September 08 2012 00:58 GMT
#64
On September 08 2012 08:13 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 07:15 Doodsmack wrote:
On September 08 2012 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't think anything significant will be accomplished by the discussions. I think more could be accomplished by having private discussions, which I assume these folks already have when necessary.

edit: This is my polite way of saying that this event is a big "hey look at us"



I don't think there needs to be "significant accomplishment" in order for the congress to be worthwhile. Surely these people have insight about the inner workings of teams and leagues that the public rarely glimpses, and they could share it with us a bit. Also, them saying that this will be an opportunity to "meet in real life" implies they probably don't have an open dialogue about this already. Surely private discussions will also be a component of this.

I don't understand if you're trying to say something different than what I just said. I intentionally left open the possibility that the event as a whole could be worthwhile without the public discussions accomplishing anything. The public discussions will sway public opinion and be informative as trivia for a curious public but will otherwise be unproductive. I don't see what value the discussion gains from being public. Privacy encourages candor and privilege. It must not be the discussion gaining value but rather something else. I invite anyone to weigh the pros and cons of having these discussions publicly or privately. Publicity is better for sending out a message. The public will play no role. They're invited to watch and have their opinions swayed. And so the speakers will be talking not just to resolve whatever problem the discussion is focused on, but also to affect public opinion. A discussion unburdened by an extra purpose would be more productive.


It depends on what "productivity" is supposed to be. One advantage of discourse being public is that a certain kind of accountability is added. The interests of the public play a more central role, and thus the discussion may be more 'productive' from the public's point of view. If the world sees your negotiations, then you will be more careful about what you put on the table. In private, for example, discussions could theoretically center around how to increase subscription costs as much as possible to the detriment of fans, while in public this could not be a central topic.

I think that you are right that some candor is lost, but I think that public discourse has distinct advantages over backroom negotiations that shouldn't be discounted.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
September 08 2012 00:59 GMT
#65
On September 07 2012 23:40 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 23:18 imMUTAble787 wrote:
more like esports illuminati ;]


It can't be esports illuminati no one from TL is there.

That is because they're the metailluminati pulling the strings behind this illuminati
FoTG fighting!
eqez
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden837 Posts
September 08 2012 01:30 GMT
#66
On September 08 2012 05:28 ExPresident wrote:
Would like to see Day9 there. Right now we've got a bunch of guys who are either involved with the ownership of teams (players), to the guys who make money from the venue's all potentially discussing the future of a new sport where they can make more money. I understand it's about making money in business but this is already looking like a big pow wow on how you can milk the average gamer/consumer more.

I think having some strong community members there would be a step in the right direction of ensuring some level ground as far as the discussions go, but then again I don't know what they are actually discussing. It was only a matter of time tho before someone began the steps toward this and while I think its a positive thing overall, hopefully we don't see everything get muddy because of it.


*Sarcasm*

Yeah Day9 doesnt want to earn money from esports

*end of sarcasm*
MartinN
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain307 Posts
September 10 2012 09:49 GMT
#67
https://twitter.com/VLCeSportsCon
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 10:02:58
September 10 2012 10:02 GMT
#68
Göran Hellgren – Telia Sonera

A represent from Telia is huge. If we can get Telia even more involved they could single handily take international Esport to the next level

And CBS impressive
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
September 10 2012 10:07 GMT
#69
Strangely worded post. You have to read the link to actually find out when this is happening...
fams
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada731 Posts
September 20 2012 15:09 GMT
#70
This begins tomorrow - I have to say, I am extremely excited for this, the talks should be pretty interesting to hear.
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TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
September 20 2012 17:58 GMT
#71
They question I would raise:

Ever since success of World of Warcraft we have seen that making a "MMO" was the buzzword of the past 5 year for publishers to try and make money. Almost all failed very hard.
Now in the past year it was very noticeable a trend away from MMO and now "e-sports" seems the new buzzword. Following the success stories of Starcraft2 and much more that of League of Legends. Many many titles pop up and try to milk the cash cows (players and spectators).

Do the participants in the so called esports industry notice this trend too?
If yes, how do they plan to approach and handle the incoming swarm of possible titles?

--
Since this is day time i wont be able to watch from work, looking forward to some enlightening thoughts though.
More important though is that the big guns get together for once and have some better knowing each others.

Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
September 21 2012 08:05 GMT
#72
This is on now for people interested. Just started: http://www.twitch.tv/valenciaesportscongress
KT Rolster & StarTale <3 | twitter.com/RayFoxII - twitch.tv/RayFoxII
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
September 21 2012 08:22 GMT
#73
fuck just tuned in, how much did i miss?
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
September 21 2012 08:23 GMT
#74
Just the history of esports summed up in 20 mins.
KT Rolster & StarTale <3 | twitter.com/RayFoxII - twitch.tv/RayFoxII
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
September 21 2012 08:24 GMT
#75
On September 21 2012 17:22 zaii wrote:
fuck just tuned in, how much did i miss?


about 20 minutes.

Redeye opening proceedings with a bit of esports history and talking about the developments we've had to get to this point.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
September 21 2012 08:27 GMT
#76
Zvetan Dragulev is probably in my top 3 fantastic names for a villain.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
September 21 2012 08:34 GMT
#77
Pretty awesome speech from Redeye.
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
September 21 2012 08:34 GMT
#78
On September 21 2012 17:34 Laryleprakon wrote:
Pretty awesome speech from Redeye.


Amazing speech
Jaedong & Faker
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
September 21 2012 08:36 GMT
#79
thank you redeye
Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
September 21 2012 08:40 GMT
#80
I'm surprised Sundance isn't there.
eSports for life.
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