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On September 21 2012 20:08 kellymilkies wrote:
A) Wish there was more audience watching these panels - these are amazing!
B) Better questions
C) Host: He's not very good at getting answers out of panelists, maybe phrase question better? Or think of ways to get some of the quieter panelists to talk? :D
D) Prepared script for both panelist and hosts - this could include pre-determined questions (Not sure, maybe they already had a script)
E) More interaction between the panelists themselves.
F) Longer event, these people flew out all the way there to get only 1 panel? Should have at least 2 sessions for each and mix it up! :D (Maybe im greedy and just want more panels.)
Of course this was already a great event, first of its kind, it will only get better. Thanks for the efforts in making this event possible.
Dreamhack/Twitch, who took the initiative to this event, stated that the goal of this happening, is not the panels, but to actually get the different parties involved with each other and start talking - The panels are a side-thing.. The objective is to get these people involved, the panels are a side effect and as so, is kept relatively short. Pre-determined questions are killers of open discussion, RedeYe is taking the discussion in the direction he thinks is relevant based on what people are saying, within the constraints of the duration of each session - which he does a pretty decent job at imo.
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On September 21 2012 20:04 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 19:59 TheSir wrote:On September 21 2012 19:51 Laryleprakon wrote:
I really dislike teams taking some prize money from teams, salaries should be based on the ROI from sponsors imo. Well thats how it works in all team sports. You think the players from Barca get the prize money for winning the Champions league? Nope they get a salary plus bonuses, just like in any team sport. Nothing wrong with the teams getting a large percentage of prize money. For example most of them pay more salary then they will get back in prize money. Maybe if you have a lot of incentives in your contracts for winning but EG has stated they don't take any prize money from players and they also pay the highest salaries, maybe they are insanely lucky or are just better than everyone else. I think both ways are fine I just dislike taking prize money and relying more on teams finding sponsors.
Think of it this way: If a player wins, what about the other players on his team that helped him practice? Without the team the player is nothing.
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On September 21 2012 19:59 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 19:51 Laryleprakon wrote:
I really dislike teams taking some prize money from teams, salaries should be based on the ROI from sponsors imo. Well thats how it works in all team sports. You think the players from Barca get the prize money for winning the Champions league? Nope they get a salary plus bonuses, just like in any team sport. Nothing wrong with the teams getting a large percentage of prize money. For example most of them pay more salary then they will get back in prize money.
first you got to pay the players well before you consider taxing actual prize money and distributing it among the team.
The only reason that works for football is because the players from barca each make into the millions per player . The amount of money they make just in salary alone is not even comparable to some prize money tournaments give out to players for esport events. Even if stephano wins every tournament from now on, It still does not compare to any Big football player club transfer fees, You hear of guys making 50 million in thier contract.
Thats such a poor example you try to make.
I think its a really bad idea to actually tax the winners and distribute it among the team, until great salaries are paid out this should never be the case.
a team's ROI usually comes from its strongest player helping to get sponsors for the team thus lesser players that would not have gotten sponsors originally get them . Thats all that should be expected of them.
Lets say I was stephano and was told my prize money would have to be evenly distributed among EG players.
Id say fuck this team, and self sponsor myself or just leave the scene entirely . If i was as good as stephano, i'd pay for flight and travel to the tournaments i know i got atleast a high chance of placing in some prize money, and not bother about any team.
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On September 21 2012 20:16 tyner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 20:04 Laryleprakon wrote:On September 21 2012 19:59 TheSir wrote:On September 21 2012 19:51 Laryleprakon wrote:
I really dislike teams taking some prize money from teams, salaries should be based on the ROI from sponsors imo. Well thats how it works in all team sports. You think the players from Barca get the prize money for winning the Champions league? Nope they get a salary plus bonuses, just like in any team sport. Nothing wrong with the teams getting a large percentage of prize money. For example most of them pay more salary then they will get back in prize money. Maybe if you have a lot of incentives in your contracts for winning but EG has stated they don't take any prize money from players and they also pay the highest salaries, maybe they are insanely lucky or are just better than everyone else. I think both ways are fine I just dislike taking prize money and relying more on teams finding sponsors. Think of it this way: If a player wins, what about the other players on his team that helped him practice? Without the team the player is nothing.
Good point, a lot of players do say they practice exclusively on ladder tho (Huk/Taeja to name a few)
As I said I don't mind which option teams use I just like the EG/Liquid(I think) model more.
Is there any real 1v1 sports which have teams, tennis/golf/boxing etc all are just individuals, I'm probably missing some but it's late =P
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On September 21 2012 20:20 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 20:16 tyner wrote:On September 21 2012 20:04 Laryleprakon wrote:On September 21 2012 19:59 TheSir wrote:On September 21 2012 19:51 Laryleprakon wrote:
I really dislike teams taking some prize money from teams, salaries should be based on the ROI from sponsors imo. Well thats how it works in all team sports. You think the players from Barca get the prize money for winning the Champions league? Nope they get a salary plus bonuses, just like in any team sport. Nothing wrong with the teams getting a large percentage of prize money. For example most of them pay more salary then they will get back in prize money. Maybe if you have a lot of incentives in your contracts for winning but EG has stated they don't take any prize money from players and they also pay the highest salaries, maybe they are insanely lucky or are just better than everyone else. I think both ways are fine I just dislike taking prize money and relying more on teams finding sponsors. Think of it this way: If a player wins, what about the other players on his team that helped him practice? Without the team the player is nothing. Good point, a lot of players do say they practice exclusively on ladder tho (Huk/Taeja to name a few) As I said I don't mind which option teams use I just like the EG/Liquid(I think) model more. Is there any real 1v1 sports which have teams, tennis/golf/boxing etc all are just individuals, I'm probably missing some but it's late =P
Of course there are, take table tennis for example, or maybe a more prominent sport, boxing. In boxing you are a member of a club, or a team if you want. Table tennis you often play in team leagues, but you also have individual tournaments where you represent your team and sponsors. Not sure you actually know how the liquid model work... As most contracts are closed to public I wouldn't really trust what people say, so much is just speculations...
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On September 21 2012 20:16 tyner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 20:04 Laryleprakon wrote:On September 21 2012 19:59 TheSir wrote:On September 21 2012 19:51 Laryleprakon wrote:
I really dislike teams taking some prize money from teams, salaries should be based on the ROI from sponsors imo. Well thats how it works in all team sports. You think the players from Barca get the prize money for winning the Champions league? Nope they get a salary plus bonuses, just like in any team sport. Nothing wrong with the teams getting a large percentage of prize money. For example most of them pay more salary then they will get back in prize money. Maybe if you have a lot of incentives in your contracts for winning but EG has stated they don't take any prize money from players and they also pay the highest salaries, maybe they are insanely lucky or are just better than everyone else. I think both ways are fine I just dislike taking prize money and relying more on teams finding sponsors. Think of it this way: If a player wins, what about the other players on his team that helped him practice? Without the team the player is nothing.
Rarely does a pro play practice specifically with his team members. A team can earn money through team events, sponsors, teaching their players how to market the team, etc.. not by reaching into the fucking pockets of its players. that's just wrong.
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have to work this fucking weekend, SO sad I cant be there...honestly I was more pumped for the congress than the tournament...
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On September 21 2012 20:14 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 20:08 kellymilkies wrote:
A) Wish there was more audience watching these panels - these are amazing!
B) Better questions
C) Host: He's not very good at getting answers out of panelists, maybe phrase question better? Or think of ways to get some of the quieter panelists to talk? :D
D) Prepared script for both panelist and hosts - this could include pre-determined questions (Not sure, maybe they already had a script)
E) More interaction between the panelists themselves.
F) Longer event, these people flew out all the way there to get only 1 panel? Should have at least 2 sessions for each and mix it up! :D (Maybe im greedy and just want more panels.)
Of course this was already a great event, first of its kind, it will only get better. Thanks for the efforts in making this event possible. Dreamhack/Twitch, who took the initiative to this event, stated that the goal of this happening, is not the panels, but to actually get the different parties involved with each other and start talking - The panels are a side-thing.. The objective is to get these people involved, the panels are a side effect and as so, is kept relatively short. Pre-determined questions are killers of open discussion, RedeYe is taking the discussion in the direction he thinks is relevant based on what people are saying, within the constraints of the duration of each session - which he does a pretty decent job at imo.
Yes, the point was more about getting everyone in the same place. they might not be interacting much at the panel, but they certainly will be outside the panel. The panels were more of a "well, let's show the public who all is here and get the public to see some of their thoughts about where the people controlling esports think it's going as a bonus" deal.
ReDeYe does a good job of directing things.
My only complaint is for the sound. There are obviously not enough sound guys out there experienced with providing quality streaming. Instead of micing the room/pa they should feed the channels from the mics directly down to stereo into the computer, it would sound much better and would avoid all the reverb which can make people difficult to hear/understand.
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On September 21 2012 21:16 Gamegene wrote:
o.o is it over?
On September 21 2012 20:03 ELA wrote:
90 minute break now, next panel at 12:30 GMT (+00:00)
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Next panel is streamed is scheduled to start at 13:00 GMT (+00:00) (They must have gotten stuck at lunch ^^)
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On September 21 2012 21:47 ELA wrote:
Next panel is streamed is scheduled to start at 13:00 GMT (+00:00) (They must have gotten stuck at lunch ^^)
Spanish lunch... apetizers + 1st meal + 2nd meal + dessert + coffee + drink xD
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We're live again!
Game Developers and esports, how have they embraced the concept and changed their games accordingly.
From left to right on this panel:
Kristen Reilly - Meteor/Hawken
Florent Castelnerac - Ubisoft/Nadeo
Simon Bennett - Wargaming
Alex Kokhanovsky - Na'Vi
Dustin Browder - Blizzard
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stream is fine for 3 hours... panels starts and...
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On September 21 2012 22:06 y0su wrote:
stream is fine for 3 hours... panels starts and...
Stream is fine for me.
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Very interesting to hear that blizzard are thinking about going down the free to play way. I hope they do and that they don't do it too late
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RedeYe to Dustin Browder: "Why not just make Starcraft 2 multiplayer, free to play?"
Dustin Browder: "Well, we could do that, but then we could end up in a situation where I end up in a game against you, and I have more units than you do because I bought the game"
- Heh, I guess Blizzard is far away from making Starcraft multiplayer free2play
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Who is the guy next to Dustin Browder?
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EPT
