I don’t really either? How will sc2ranks be affected by this in anyway? Doesn’t it just consolidate everyone within the league and show you your total points as a percentile within respects to the total?
a. They did not say the match making system itself is changing. b. The points awarded for wins/loses are not impacted by your division currently.. so 800 points in diamond has the same value regardless of division.
The way I read it is the only difference is the skill of the players you’re grouped within your division is changing. Currently the players in your division should theoretically resemble your own, however going forward that skill-gap is widened to the total league vs. just a singular division?
On September 11 2012 04:05 Ignorant prodigy wrote: I don’t really either? How will sc2ranks be affected by this in anyway? Doesn’t it just consolidate everyone within the league and show you your total points as a percentile within respects to the total?
a. They did not say the match making system itself is changing. b. The points awarded for wins/loses are not impacted by your division currently.. so 800 points in diamond has the same value regardless of division.
The way I read it is the only difference is the skill of the players you’re grouped within your division is changing. Currently the players in your division should theoretically resemble your own, however going forward that skill-gap is widened to the total league vs. just a singular division?
a. Correct. b. Points awarded are impacted by your division currently. There's a special rule in place where if you are facing someone who would earn you less points than you would earn if they were part of your division tier, the points you earn are made equal to that. For example if you are in a division of 1400-1500 MMR and you played someone with 1300 MMR, you would earn points as though your opponent were a 1400 MMR player. Obviously, this can skew things. It doesn't apply to Master+ players though. Will this be changed under the new system? Perhaps... we won't know until it goes live. c. Correct. In theory this should make it easier to tell where you stand among the rest of your league, but there will always be edge cases.
On September 11 2012 04:05 Ignorant prodigy wrote: I don’t really either? How will sc2ranks be affected by this in anyway? Doesn’t it just consolidate everyone within the league and show you your total points as a percentile within respects to the total?
a. They did not say the match making system itself is changing. b. The points awarded for wins/loses are not impacted by your division currently.. so 800 points in diamond has the same value regardless of division.
The way I read it is the only difference is the skill of the players you’re grouped within your division is changing. Currently the players in your division should theoretically resemble your own, however going forward that skill-gap is widened to the total league vs. just a singular division?
Comparisons in sc2ranks will become easier, as in the future system player's adjusted points (ladder points - used bonus points) are comparable inside each league (not between). Currently it is hard as leagues (except master+) have several hidden skill tiers into which the different divisions belong. E.g. adjusted points & point changes of diamond player in lowest skill tier are not directly comparable with the ones of diamond player in the highest skill tier. More info can be found in excalibur_z:s guide.
On September 11 2012 04:11 wajd wrote: Did one used to change divisions unknowingly?
No. You are first placed into a division that has a certain hidden skill tier. There is no movement inside the league (not between divisions and division skill tier does not change). Except if you are first demoted/promoted to lower/higher league and then drop/rise back and are placed into another division that belongs to another skill tier.
I thought they were removing division all together? and your rank will just show what yout top% placing is in your class. i.e. if you are 5th out of 100 bronze players your rank would be Bronze 5. or more realistically, 3300th out of 30,000 bronze players you'd be Bronze rank 11. as you would be in the top 11% etc. This way when you reach rank 1 in your class (bronze, silver, etc.) you'd be really close to promotion. The opposite if you were rank 100 then you would be next for a demotion. (100 meaning you were better then 0% of the players)
On September 11 2012 04:36 CT Legacy wrote: I thought they were removing division all together? and your rank will just show what yout top% placing is in your class. i.e. if you are 5th out of 100 bronze players your rank would be Bronze 5. or more realistically, 3300th out of 30,000 bronze players you'd be Bronze rank 11. as you would be in the top 11% etc. This way when you reach rank 1 in your class (bronze, silver, etc.) you'd be really close to promotion. The opposite if you were rank 100 then you would be next for a demotion. (100 meaning you were better then 0% of the players)
That is not the case. Nowhere in Blizzard's explanation does it say they're removing divisions, only that the skill tiers will disappear. This means that instead of 2 or 3 or 7 developing parallel divisions, there will be only one: the newest one. Instead of putting you into a pool of 100 players around your skill level, you'll be put into a pool of 100 players in the same league.
All they said was that rank 2 would roughly be equivalent to the top 2% in your league, but that is only true if a) everyone in your division has spent all their bonus pool, b) everyone in your division has played enough games to establish their MMR, c) every division has the exact same skill spread. It's basically only going to ever be true on the average. In any event, it's not the "1 rank represents 1,546 places" that you're thinking.
From P spot taldarim altar is playable only vs teran cause z with third without rocks will get big advatage and pvp 4 gate non stop just terrible so veto this map and hope blizz wakes up and make some really count mappool changes..... they ZZZ or why not new map??????
On September 11 2012 02:48 Tyrtl wrote: awesome, the ladder tier thing will really help frusturated high bronze league up into silver. It was annoying as hell for me.
It has no effect on that, especially since there has never been tiers in bronze and silver, so those leagues aren't affected.
On September 11 2012 02:48 Tyrtl wrote: awesome, the ladder tier thing will really help frusturated high bronze league up into silver. It was annoying as hell for me.
It has no effect on that, especially since there has never been tiers in bronze and silver, so those leagues aren't affected.
Incorrect. Bronze league has 7 tiers and silver has 3 (maybe 2?). With that said, it is highly unlikely anyone will get promoted by these changes unless they change the league thresholds significantly. The normal new season boost in promotion (slightly easier to promote at the start of a new season) will promote/demote some bordeline people, however.
On September 11 2012 06:52 archon256 wrote: I'm not sure if I want to play TA even now... not looking forward to ramp-less ZvZ again.
What do the other Zergs think?
You just have to 14/14 every game. Its probably going to suck but whatever... Idk why they didn't just put Metropolis/Whirlwind/Atlantis Spaceship/almost any other map...
On September 11 2012 06:52 archon256 wrote: I'm not sure if I want to play TA even now... not looking forward to ramp-less ZvZ again.
What do the other Zergs think?
You just have to 14/14 every game. Its probably going to suck but whatever... Idk why they didn't just put Metropolis/Whirlwind/Atlantis Spaceship/almost any other map...
What people don't realize is that in the WCS tournament they use ladder maps, if they were to take out lets say TA and Shakuras then it wouldn't be fair to some people who actually only practice on ladder. Trust me when WCS is over you'll likely see Shakuras and TA gone, for now people should just calm down about those two maps and veto if necessary.
On September 11 2012 16:32 ConGee wrote: Does anyone know when the season ACTUALLY closes?
Its closed already for like week or longer , and new seson for EU starts tomorrow . Like everytime i think its maintence for EU server from 05:00 in Eu night , and its start at 11:00
On September 11 2012 06:52 archon256 wrote: I'm not sure if I want to play TA even now... not looking forward to ramp-less ZvZ again.
What do the other Zergs think?
I like TA as zerg , just remmember one thing in ZvZ never attack on TA ;P , sit in base and def , or look for good position fight in mid field.. infestors on these TA ramps are so good in ZvZ I win so many ZvZ on TA when i was behind , just becuase opponent attack my ramp.. and infestors did good job ;P
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