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WhalesFromSpace
Profile Joined March 2012
390 Posts
September 08 2012 16:15 GMT
#321
On September 09 2012 00:28 redDuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 10:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On September 07 2012 10:16 DGB.Zerok wrote:
Can someone explain me a little better what is ladder tier? My english sucks



Ladder tier means theirs different tiers...



"there is"
Your english also sucks.

This is a cool idea. It'll be nice to be able to better understand our rankings!


"there are"
Since it is plural.
Nihility
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
September 08 2012 16:19 GMT
#322
So... pretty much no change. Meh. I was hoping for like no divisions or like it was before even though it was only for a couple of days where you could get people better and worse than you more often at a wider range.

I could like this no tier thing, maybe. But after a couple matches it will just be another day on the ladder.

Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12249 Posts
September 08 2012 16:55 GMT
#323
On September 09 2012 00:16 AKnopf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 22:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!


I never knew, either. I guess it makes sense in terms of having fun in your division. It is more pleasant to be close to the one above your rank so you can actually catch up with him within a few games. If you have 200 points to go just to gain one rank its much less encouraging.
So I'd say if you want to have divisions, this tier thing is OK. If you want to globally compare players, its not transparent. But why would you have division then anyway?

Ohh and btw: +1 for having losses visible again.


Then that means you haven't read the Ladder Guide sticky!

Division tiers are small "sub-leagues" that span a more narrow range of MMR. The lower tiers are given point offsets to counterbalance the lower average skill, effectively normalizing the point ranges for a league.
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Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
September 08 2012 17:45 GMT
#324
Thought a little more about this, doesn't this basically kill starcraft 2 ranking ?
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
September 08 2012 17:54 GMT
#325
On September 09 2012 02:45 Aterons_toss wrote:
Thought a little more about this, doesn't this basically kill starcraft 2 ranking ?

Nope, why would it?

It's more accurate if anything
hpTheGreat
Profile Joined August 2010
United States173 Posts
September 08 2012 18:07 GMT
#326
i won a game this morning and it didnt use any of my bonus pool . I have 50 or so points in my pool.
Anyone else experiencing this ?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 18:24:40
September 08 2012 18:23 GMT
#327
On September 09 2012 03:07 hpTheGreat wrote:
i won a game this morning and it didnt use any of my bonus pool . I have 50 or so points in my pool.
Anyone else experiencing this ?

Bonuspool is still rising in ingame-frontend. But its locked in the backend.
A bug that happens often at end of a season.
Save gaming: kill esport
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
September 08 2012 19:26 GMT
#328
On September 09 2012 01:55 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 00:16 AKnopf wrote:
On September 08 2012 22:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!


I never knew, either. I guess it makes sense in terms of having fun in your division. It is more pleasant to be close to the one above your rank so you can actually catch up with him within a few games. If you have 200 points to go just to gain one rank its much less encouraging.
So I'd say if you want to have divisions, this tier thing is OK. If you want to globally compare players, its not transparent. But why would you have division then anyway?

Ohh and btw: +1 for having losses visible again.


Then that means you haven't read the Ladder Guide sticky!

Division tiers are small "sub-leagues" that span a more narrow range of MMR. The lower tiers are given point offsets to counterbalance the lower average skill, effectively normalizing the point ranges for a league.


How does that work though? How are the points offset displayed? Are they in your total points display? If they are, does that mean it's including the calculation and points offset when you win or lose a match and gain more or less points depending on your tier within a league?
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
September 08 2012 21:57 GMT
#329
On September 09 2012 03:07 hpTheGreat wrote:
i won a game this morning and it didnt use any of my bonus pool . I have 50 or so points in my pool.
Anyone else experiencing this ?


Yeah bonus pool is locked till next season
coZy
Profile Joined March 2012
United States65 Posts
September 08 2012 22:03 GMT
#330
Woo! Happy to see this back in the game.
Velociraptor95
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States50 Posts
September 09 2012 02:34 GMT
#331
Yes! Now I can actually see my progression, great stuff blizz!
"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea..." - Antoine de Saint Exupery
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
September 09 2012 02:42 GMT
#332
After playing StarCraft ladder for 2 years now, on and off, I never did understand it xD. Still don't.
Master Chief
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
September 09 2012 03:14 GMT
#333
Can't believe there is no discussion about the disgraceful map pool changes (or lack thereof) for next season. It's a goddamned joke. Retire Shakura's and TDA for the love of god. Add any of the dozens of incredible maps available. At the very least, add Metropolis back in.

It's just a real shame...
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
September 09 2012 14:03 GMT
#334
Great addition/removal. Accurate stats is what we need! Thanks! (:
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
September 09 2012 18:14 GMT
#335
OMG!
So guys we need to change up the ladder poll a bit for season 9, what should we do?
Well our reasources are currently extremly limited so we will have to make do with what we got.
Well I heard that players dont really like rocks at the 3rd.
So if we remove rocks at the 3rd from all maps, then everyone will be more happy.
Currently the only map with rocks at the 3rd is Tal darim.

Ow yeah! I saw that map in a tournoment like a year ago. I liked it.
Okey we remove rocks from tal darim! We have a map poll!
Sir what about Metropolis?
What?! No! That map has rocks at the natural choke, what makes you think people would want that map!
Now back to hots everyone!


I really want to kill myself. I REALLY hope blizzard makes some more changes ow god.
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
September 09 2012 18:57 GMT
#336
On September 09 2012 03:23 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 03:07 hpTheGreat wrote:
i won a game this morning and it didnt use any of my bonus pool . I have 50 or so points in my pool.
Anyone else experiencing this ?

Bonuspool is still rising in ingame-frontend. But its locked in the backend.
A bug that happens often at end of a season.

Oh nvm, i only read the op diagonally.

I thought what they were gonna do is basically have top 1% of a league be shown as rank 1, top 1% to 2 % shown as rank 2 , 49% to 50% shown as rank 50... etc

Now in understood that they simply make divisions lower than master be randomized and even again... I didn't even knew they were not.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
gawk
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany310 Posts
September 09 2012 19:07 GMT
#337
On September 09 2012 12:14 IPA wrote:
Can't believe there is no discussion about the disgraceful map pool changes (or lack thereof) for next season. It's a goddamned joke. Retire Shakura's and TDA for the love of god. Add any of the dozens of incredible maps available. At the very least, add Metropolis back in.

It's just a real shame...

I want new maps aswell.
I appreciate the ranking system change but this season was so long I really hoped blizz would spice ladder up a bit.
At least they could put Metropolis back in after they took it out 'temporarily until it is fixed'.
MuteZephyr
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 19:23:23
September 09 2012 19:22 GMT
#338
Sooo, lemme get this straight:

You can now compare yourself to everyone else and know when to expect promotion, but only if EVERYONE uses all of their bonus pool? If we are comparing based on points, then everyone would need the same baseline. So it seems to me that this change means nothing in diamond and below since there's tons of people that have lots of bonus pool who will be lower ranked (in our eyes) than their actual skill level since their hidden MMR keeps them where their actual ranking is.

Since very few people have to worry about trying to get into GM from masters, what exactly does this change accomplish? You can now compare yourself to other people if and only if you both have the same amount of bonus pool, and global percentile will always be inflated due to stagnant bonus pool on other individuals?
I don't Micro, I FEMTO. That's 9 orders of magnitude more extreme.
NVRLand
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden203 Posts
September 09 2012 20:01 GMT
#339
Thought Metropolis was going to return next season? Thought it was a really cool map

Remove TDA and add Atlantis Spaceship!
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 09 2012 21:30 GMT
#340
omg. FINALLY!!! finally a comparabale ladder ranking.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
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