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On September 08 2012 03:18 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:08 TheFrankOne wrote:On September 08 2012 03:03 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 08 2012 02:58 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 18:15 Dzerzhinsky wrote:On September 07 2012 17:34 jinorazi wrote:
so now people can actually say "i'm rank 1 (insert league)" without sounding stupid If it just means that all leagues will work like Master Leage, then they'll still sound stupid. Being rank 1 in Masters definately doesn't mean you're in the top 1% of Masters players. isn't that what op says? rank 1 = 1%, 2 = 2%...50 = 50% and so on You cannot make that conclusion. It is only true on average. Doesn't it mean you are the top ranked out of a randomly selected group (in your league) instead of out of a group subtly biased to contain players of a certain skill level? Yes. But if there are 1000 random groups, several of them are randomly going to have higher skill than the rest. The distribution of the average skill of a group will be normally (not uniformly) distributed according to the central limit theorem, so some groups will be better than other simply because of random chance. Being in the top 2% of a randomly selected group doesn't mean that you're in the top 2% of the league. It means on average you are in the top 2% of the league.
But, if it works like Master League, it isn't simply a case of taking X players and dividing them randomly between divisions. As new people are promoted new divisions are created, and these divisions will usually have significantly worse players in them because they're all freshly promoted.
Thus in Masters you get a large variety of strong divisions and weak divisions with no real 'average' to speak of that would allow a rank comparison between them. That is to say, with the way Master League works now, the statement "I'm top 8 Masters" (in terms of demonstrating skill) is completely irrelevant.
By way of example, here are two NA Master League divisions:
http://sc2ranks.com/div/320229/division-felanis-psi
http://sc2ranks.com/div/299272/division-dragoon-phi
Note that in the first division you need 1077 points to be top 8. That would mean you are ranked 3,300th in Master League as a whole. Pretty low. Thus in the second division, which is stronger, instead of being ranked 8th you would be ranked 47th. So are you in the top 8% of Masters players, or the top 47%? It's quite a significant difference.
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How many times have they removed and added rocks to the third, but i like that blizzard actually took a measure that the community supports. It always seems like their intentions are good but they never seem like the right decisions ie removing the win/lose
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So now Top 8 Masters will literally mean high masters. Cool
Edit: Tal'darim has been vetoed since it's been in map pool for like 80% of everybody. maps should have a life of 2-3 seasons at most.
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The "new" team maps are just crappy old team maps.... except for one map that is the same thing as frontier except not as retarded.
and they still insist on using dated blizzard maps for the 1v1 ladder pool... wtf.
getting rid of tiers is a good idea though. Never liked the tiered divisions - now your rank should be a better indication of your skill level.
fuck.. extinction was GOOD... Highground and Megaton are BAD... seriously...
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Blizzard are retarded these days. Tal'darim is a bag of shit so is condemed ridge. Needs moar gsl maps!
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"If you are 100 bronze you are literally the worst player in the entire game, along with the other 100's that will exist."
Sorry, I thought that was hilarious :D
glad to see the tiers removed, along with the very late and overdue update to Tal.
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On September 08 2012 08:45 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
So now Top 8 Masters will literally mean high masters. Cool
Edit: Tal'darim has been vetoed since it's been in map pool for like 80% of everybody. maps should have a life of 2-3 seasons at most.
No, top 8 masters is the same as before, and doesn't always mean high masters. The tier removal only affects diamond and below.
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Glad to see tier removal. Apart from more ability to predict promotions, it won't any more make you think you've dropped a couple of notches if you simply place in a better division than you'd been before.
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Saw in the OP that you want your wins/losses back.
They sort of did that. You see your total wins for the season on the ladder page, and on your profile it tells you total games played this season...
A little math and boom, you have your win/loss.
It isn't great, but it beats having to keep your own spread sheets.
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Great change and frankly it amazes me that something like this was put in there in the first place.
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WE want out win loss ration back, becasue you can really learn a lot. I am floating about top 4 SIlver, but i always beat GOLd, and i wan tto see my ratio. cbut this will really help. ya blizz
PS: u can also take away the queen buff.
Actually i dont mind, becasue almost no lower level players make a lot of queens
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never really knew about this, im glad they got rid of it i guess
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This is the best thing that has happened to the ladder since the WOL launch.
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I'm going to post this here since I know how stingy TL is with random question threads, and this thread seems to have the most users posting in it right now:
Why is it that my ladder opponents range from gold to plat to diamond to masters all within a dozen games?
I just don't get it. I'm keeping up a 50-60 win ratio, beating diamond..........and then I'll face a gold. I'll beat him, and then I'll face a platinum. ??? And now I just faced and lost to a Masters player.
So confusing.
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Woohoo, Tal Darim stays :D I know I'm in the minority but I love the map. Especially for TvT.
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Kinda split on the division thing since I tend to end up amongst the better 3:3 players in RT. But generally it's nice since alot of people think rank1 of whatever = top.
And monsoon back ♥! Fuckyea I love that map! Also Arakan Citadel out and a most likely playable map in its place. I like this alot.
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Geez blizzard. By 2017 you will have finally remade B.net 1.0... Get it done!
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i've always been confused, can you still get into GM even if it's ladder lock? I thought only all the other promotions (bronze - masters) were halted but gm was still open, or am i just wrong?
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On September 08 2012 06:59 Dzerzhinsky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 03:18 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 08 2012 03:08 TheFrankOne wrote:On September 08 2012 03:03 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 08 2012 02:58 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 18:15 Dzerzhinsky wrote:On September 07 2012 17:34 jinorazi wrote:
so now people can actually say "i'm rank 1 (insert league)" without sounding stupid If it just means that all leagues will work like Master Leage, then they'll still sound stupid. Being rank 1 in Masters definately doesn't mean you're in the top 1% of Masters players. isn't that what op says? rank 1 = 1%, 2 = 2%...50 = 50% and so on You cannot make that conclusion. It is only true on average. Doesn't it mean you are the top ranked out of a randomly selected group (in your league) instead of out of a group subtly biased to contain players of a certain skill level? Yes. But if there are 1000 random groups, several of them are randomly going to have higher skill than the rest. The distribution of the average skill of a group will be normally (not uniformly) distributed according to the central limit theorem, so some groups will be better than other simply because of random chance. Being in the top 2% of a randomly selected group doesn't mean that you're in the top 2% of the league. It means on average you are in the top 2% of the league. But, if it works like Master League, it isn't simply a case of taking X players and dividing them randomly between divisions. As new people are promoted new divisions are created, and these divisions will usually have significantly worse players in them because they're all freshly promoted. Thus in Masters you get a large variety of strong divisions and weak divisions with no real 'average' to speak of that would allow a rank comparison between them. That is to say, with the way Master League works now, the statement "I'm top 8 Masters" (in terms of demonstrating skill) is completely irrelevant. By way of example, here are two NA Master League divisions: http://sc2ranks.com/div/320229/division-felanis-psihttp://sc2ranks.com/div/299272/division-dragoon-phiNote that in the first division you need 1077 points to be top 8. That would mean you are ranked 3,300th in Master League as a whole. Pretty low. Thus in the second division, which is stronger, instead of being ranked 8th you would be ranked 47th. So are you in the top 8% of Masters players, or the top 47%? It's quite a significant difference.
Yep.
I agree: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366727¤tpage=14#272
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