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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 08 2012 07:15 GMT
#301
Damn, I liked Arakan Citadel
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 08 2012 11:30 GMT
#302
On September 08 2012 02:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Blizzard is a fucking joke. Why wasn't this simply implemented at the start of the game? It makes no sense to have hidden rankings among same divisions (not MMR). This just leaves the player clueless as to when he will get promoted or not. For fucks sake, it takes you two years to realize that your ladder system is confusing? Blizzard.......


Your post make no sense..you know that ?
Blizzard fix something.. people say that blizzard is a joke because they fix it..
People like you are a joke.
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HoLe
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada183 Posts
September 08 2012 12:05 GMT
#303
Gorgeous, been waiting for this for a while.
Terran.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
September 08 2012 12:36 GMT
#304
On September 08 2012 16:15 AxionSteel wrote:
Damn, I liked Arakan Citadel

Well it has been in the map pool since beta (iirc) so it's time for it to go. While apparently very popular I never liked it for some reson. I had alot of interesting features like mineral only gold and lots of possibilites Cant really put my finger on why I dislike it, other than shared bases. Well I have played extremely few entertaining games on it, might be that. Have had it vetoed for over a year but I play it once in a while when I'm not party leader. Happy to see it go anyways but I can see that people liked it.
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aintthatfunny
Profile Joined April 2012
193 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 12:50:44
September 08 2012 12:46 GMT
#305
nvm
I promise I'll behave.
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
September 08 2012 12:52 GMT
#306
On September 08 2012 21:46 aintthatfunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 10:10 emc wrote:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7157308/Season_8_Now_Locked_and_Big_Changes_Coming_Next_Season-9_6_2012

Ladder Tier Removal

Currently not all divisions within a League are created equal. Individual divisions are actually assigned to different “tiers”, and players are assigned to tiers based on skill. This system hasn't been very transparent, making it difficult to determine your next promotion. For example, if you’re in a lower tiered Diamond division, just getting to Rank 1 doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll see a promotion soon.

With the goal of increasing transparency for ladder players, we’re removing tiers from the ladder with the commencement of 2012 Season 4. The removal of tiers from all leagues will allow players to better gauge exactly where they’re at on the ladder and how far away they are from the next league.

After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


personally I think the ladder tier removal is a great step forward, now if they could only give us our Wins/Loss ratio back, because not seeing that isn't very transparent either.

Also taldarim has it's rocks removed at the 3rd!

edit: it literally means, rank 100 - 1 is the top %100 to %1 of your rank, bronze all the way to GM. If you are 100 bronze you are literally the worst player in the entire game, along with the other 100's that will exist. We will still have divisions and compete within our division, but it will make going up a rank, from 53 to 52, actually mean something, but it will probably take more work now. So those achievements you got for getting top 8 in your division? well that's going to be very hard to get now.

Excal_Z edit: This ladder change is going to mean that all of the leagues will now become just like Master league (except for showing losses). There will still be divisions of 100 players each, but they'll all be equal and therefore no longer apply hidden offsets. Therefore, in an ideal environment with the skill of all players evenly distributed across divisions (meaning you don't have Division 1 with all GSL Code S players and Division 2 with all GSL Code B players) and as long as everyone is spending all their bonus pool, what Blizzard says is accurate: rank 1 would roughly equate to the top 1% of the league.

Incidentally, this is going to make sites like SC2Ranks far more accurate as a means to gauge how you rank among the rest of your league.

Note that promotions will still be determined by MMR, the removal of division tiers only affects the points that are displayed in divisional rankings.


But who cares about rank? It has always has been points that count for how good you are, not rank. Nevermind what if there are 2 players in one division with a lot of points, you can't say only rank 1 will be in the top 1%, that can't be true.



Before the patch points were not relevant <master league because there were division tiers. Next season rank will still mean as much as before because relative to the people in your division your points are still the same. After the patch you can just compare yourself better to people from other divisions. It's a good change.
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
September 08 2012 13:07 GMT
#307
Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
Gumbotwins
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 13:29:37
September 08 2012 13:26 GMT
#308
On September 08 2012 22:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!


I dont get this aswell. And i dont know what is changing now :S. How is rank 1 in lets say diamond group A, going to compete with group B who's top 16 players all have more points? How does this make sense?

Edit: Why dont they make it such as all divisions are connected; You still have divisions with 100 people in it. But in order to get from rank 100 to 99 u need to have more points then all 99 ranked people?
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whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
September 08 2012 13:38 GMT
#309
On September 08 2012 20:30 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 02:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Blizzard is a fucking joke. Why wasn't this simply implemented at the start of the game? It makes no sense to have hidden rankings among same divisions (not MMR). This just leaves the player clueless as to when he will get promoted or not. For fucks sake, it takes you two years to realize that your ladder system is confusing? Blizzard.......


Your post make no sense..you know that ?
Blizzard fix something.. people say that blizzard is a joke because they fix it..
People like you are a joke.


it's a joke because it took them 2 years to fix a plainly obvious problem
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
September 08 2012 13:54 GMT
#310
I support this 100%. Blizzard always treats us with little children, hiding as many stats so that we don't feel bad about our place on the ladder, win/loss ratio, how good we actually are, basically.

I would rather know exactly how I measure up to other diamond players.
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
September 08 2012 14:16 GMT
#311
Wow people still think win ratio means something in a system designed for the sole purpose to give you a 50% win/loss across all varying skill levels...
straight poppin
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
September 08 2012 14:20 GMT
#312
On September 08 2012 23:16 Penecks wrote:
Wow people still think win ratio means something in a system designed for the sole purpose to give you a 50% win/loss across all varying skill levels...


Does the system still try to put you at a 50/50 ratio in masters? I haven't actually read anywhere that it confirms or denies. All they usually say is that the Masters league is tierless.,
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
September 08 2012 14:23 GMT
#313
Blizzard, when will u make so that we can watch replays with friends? is it really to much to ask?
WatchOutNow
Profile Joined July 2012
48 Posts
September 08 2012 14:28 GMT
#314
just make one division for each league
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AKnopf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany259 Posts
September 08 2012 15:16 GMT
#315
On September 08 2012 22:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!


I never knew, either. I guess it makes sense in terms of having fun in your division. It is more pleasant to be close to the one above your rank so you can actually catch up with him within a few games. If you have 200 points to go just to gain one rank its much less encouraging.
So I'd say if you want to have divisions, this tier thing is OK. If you want to globally compare players, its not transparent. But why would you have division then anyway?

Ohh and btw: +1 for having losses visible again.
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redDuke
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia207 Posts
September 08 2012 15:28 GMT
#316
On September 07 2012 10:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 10:16 DGB.Zerok wrote:
Can someone explain me a little better what is ladder tier? My english sucks



Ladder tier means theirs different tiers...



"there is"
Your english also sucks.

This is a cool idea. It'll be nice to be able to better understand our rankings!
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Sankanyo
Profile Joined August 2011
United States140 Posts
September 08 2012 15:29 GMT
#317
This is a nice change. Now you can actually have a more accurate sense of how good someone is by looking at their rank.
KuKri
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany168 Posts
September 08 2012 15:34 GMT
#318
Great changes by Blizzard! I always wanted a reliable and easy way to measure my skill compared to other players
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
September 08 2012 15:35 GMT
#319
great change, I approve :D
Messi
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
September 08 2012 15:58 GMT
#320
LOL Bronze 100 loooooooooool
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