On September 08 2012 02:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Blizzard is a fucking joke. Why wasn't this simply implemented at the start of the game? It makes no sense to have hidden rankings among same divisions (not MMR). This just leaves the player clueless as to when he will get promoted or not. For fucks sake, it takes you two years to realize that your ladder system is confusing? Blizzard.......

Your post make no sense..you know that ?
Blizzard fix something.. people say that blizzard is a joke because they fix it..
People like you are a joke.

HoLe

Canada183 Posts

September 08 2012 12:05 GMT

#303

Gorgeous, been waiting for this for a while.

Eatme

Switzerland3919 Posts

September 08 2012 12:36 GMT

#304

On September 08 2012 16:15 AxionSteel wrote:
Damn, I liked Arakan Citadel

Well it has been in the map pool since beta (iirc) so it's time for it to go. While apparently very popular I never liked it for some reson. I had alot of interesting features like mineral only gold and lots of possibilites Cant really put my finger on why I dislike it, other than shared bases. Well I have played extremely few entertaining games on it, might be that. Have had it vetoed for over a year but I play it once in a while when I'm not party leader. Happy to see it go anyways but I can see that people liked it.

aintthatfunny

193 Posts

September 08 2012 12:46 GMT

#305

nvm

Kaitokid

Germany1327 Posts

September 08 2012 12:52 GMT

#306

On September 08 2012 21:46 aintthatfunny wrote:

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On September 07 2012 10:10 emc wrote:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7157308/Season_8_Now_Locked_and_Big_Changes_Coming_Next_Season-9_6_2012

Ladder Tier Removal

Currently not all divisions within a League are created equal. Individual divisions are actually assigned to different “tiers”, and players are assigned to tiers based on skill. This system hasn't been very transparent, making it difficult to determine your next promotion. For example, if you’re in a lower tiered Diamond division, just getting to Rank 1 doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll see a promotion soon.

With the goal of increasing transparency for ladder players, we’re removing tiers from the ladder with the commencement of 2012 Season 4. The removal of tiers from all leagues will allow players to better gauge exactly where they’re at on the ladder and how far away they are from the next league.

After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.

personally I think the ladder tier removal is a great step forward, now if they could only give us our Wins/Loss ratio back, because not seeing that isn't very transparent either.

Also taldarim has it's rocks removed at the 3rd!

edit: it literally means, rank 100 - 1 is the top %100 to %1 of your rank, bronze all the way to GM. If you are 100 bronze you are literally the worst player in the entire game, along with the other 100's that will exist. We will still have divisions and compete within our division, but it will make going up a rank, from 53 to 52, actually mean something, but it will probably take more work now. So those achievements you got for getting top 8 in your division? well that's going to be very hard to get now.

Excal_Z edit: This ladder change is going to mean that all of the leagues will now become just like Master league (except for showing losses). There will still be divisions of 100 players each, but they'll all be equal and therefore no longer apply hidden offsets. Therefore, in an ideal environment with the skill of all players evenly distributed across divisions (meaning you don't have Division 1 with all GSL Code S players and Division 2 with all GSL Code B players) and as long as everyone is spending all their bonus pool, what Blizzard says is accurate: rank 1 would roughly equate to the top 1% of the league.

Incidentally, this is going to make sites like SC2Ranks far more accurate as a means to gauge how you rank among the rest of your league.

Note that promotions will still be determined by MMR, the removal of division tiers only affects the points that are displayed in divisional rankings.

But who cares about rank? It has always has been points that count for how good you are, not rank. Nevermind what if there are 2 players in one division with a lot of points, you can't say only rank 1 will be in the top 1%, that can't be true.

Before the patch points were not relevant <master league because there were division tiers. Next season rank will still mean as much as before because relative to the people in your division your points are still the same. After the patch you can just compare yourself better to people from other divisions. It's a good change.

Aterons_toss

Romania1275 Posts

September 08 2012 13:07 GMT

#307

Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!

Gumbotwins

Netherlands256 Posts

September 08 2012 13:26 GMT

#308

On September 08 2012 22:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!

I dont get this aswell. And i dont know what is changing now :S. How is rank 1 in lets say diamond group A, going to compete with group B who's top 16 players all have more points? How does this make sense?

Edit: Why dont they make it such as all divisions are connected; You still have divisions with 100 people in it. But in order to get from rank 100 to 99 u need to have more points then all 99 ranked people?

whatusername

Canada1181 Posts

September 08 2012 13:38 GMT

#309

On September 08 2012 20:30 pallad wrote:

Show nested quote +

Your post make no sense..you know that ?
Blizzard fix something.. people say that blizzard is a joke because they fix it..
People like you are a joke.

it's a joke because it took them 2 years to fix a plainly obvious problem

Qwerty85

Croatia5536 Posts

September 08 2012 13:54 GMT

#310

I support this 100%. Blizzard always treats us with little children, hiding as many stats so that we don't feel bad about our place on the ladder, win/loss ratio, how good we actually are, basically.

I would rather know exactly how I measure up to other diamond players.

Penecks

United States600 Posts

September 08 2012 14:16 GMT

#311

Wow people still think win ratio means something in a system designed for the sole purpose to give you a 50% win/loss across all varying skill levels...

Tao367

United Kingdom324 Posts

September 08 2012 14:20 GMT

#312

On September 08 2012 23:16 Penecks wrote:
Wow people still think win ratio means something in a system designed for the sole purpose to give you a 50% win/loss across all varying skill levels...

Does the system still try to put you at a 50/50 ratio in masters? I haven't actually read anywhere that it confirms or denies. All they usually say is that the Masters league is tierless.,

elKaDor

Sweden376 Posts

September 08 2012 14:23 GMT

#313

Blizzard, when will u make so that we can watch replays with friends? is it really to much to ask?

WatchOutNow

48 Posts

September 08 2012 14:28 GMT

#314

just make one division for each league

AKnopf

Germany259 Posts

September 08 2012 15:16 GMT

#315

On September 08 2012 22:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Wait, they had divisions based on "tiers"... am i the only one who never knew this ?!

I never knew, either. I guess it makes sense in terms of having fun in your division. It is more pleasant to be close to the one above your rank so you can actually catch up with him within a few games. If you have 200 points to go just to gain one rank its much less encouraging.
So I'd say if you want to have divisions, this tier thing is OK. If you want to globally compare players, its not transparent. But why would you have division then anyway?

Ohh and btw: +1 for having losses visible again.