EPT[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 29
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:05 attackmoveftw wrote: Did you see the audience for today's WCS finals? It was in a small studio that could only fit a few seats and almost half of them were foreigners. The previous GSL finals were a big embarrassment for GOM because they prepared a huge event but hardly anyone showed up. Apparently, GSL5 will be in Las Vegas or something. All the BW fans are long gone and only a few stragglers are left at PlayXP and Fomos. During the final-final sets of Squirtle vs Creator, the major topic of discussion at PlayXP was whether height is genetic or environmental. lol SC2 is dead in Korea already. I call bullshit. Most of the folks were at the Barcraft in HongDae. Even Blizzard Korea staff came and ordered free pizza for all of the people there. | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
If the ESF players (besides Oz) drop out, then what? Do they just say, 'Hey, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong, here, take these free spots!' and photoshop their faces onto the ESF players bodies in the intro? I would be surprised if KeSPA doesn't just give in by the end of the today and let their players try out for Code A. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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attackmoveftw
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I presume you can read Korean? Goto playxp and read the posts that correspond to when the finals were on. Here Goto thisisgame and read how many posts are about SC2. Today was WCS finals right? Almost none. Go rewatch today's finals when the camera pans across the audience. Search the internet 해운대 gsl or something like that. http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=585996&page=6 | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:21 attackmoveftw wrote: I presume you can read Korean? Goto playxp and read the posts that correspond to when the finals were on. Here Goto thisisgame and read how many posts are about SC2. Today was WCS finals right? Almost none. Go rewatch today's finals when the camera pans across the audience. Search the internet 해운대 gsl or something like that. http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=585996&page=6 Yeah they're fighting to put a dead game on tv. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:21 attackmoveftw wrote: I presume you can read Korean? Goto playxp and read the posts that correspond to when the finals were on. Here Goto thisisgame and read how many posts are about SC2. Today was WCS finals right? Almost none. Go rewatch today's finals when the camera pans across the audience. Search the internet 해운대 gsl or something like that. http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=585996&page=6 That was a PvP finals. In BW terms that's like ZvZ finals with ling,defiler,muta only. Remember how many people attended the last MSL? | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:31 JiPrime wrote: That was a PvP finals. In BW terms that's like ZvZ finals with ling,defiler,muta only. Remember how many people attended the last MSL? Unrelated: For the love of god, fix PvP Blizz >_< | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
some of you thinking that kespa having to 'give into' the gsl is ridiculous. it is the situation where gom is at the mercy of kespa/ogn, not the other way around. the osl and pl are the true premier starcraft leagues; korean bw fans will have absolutely zero issue if esf pulls out of osl, for all the better for them to see their own fan interests take the place of esf members who have forfeited their positions. the only recourse is intervention by blizzard, who will do what? ban kespa from sc2? | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:36 a176 wrote: i have to say, i find the anti-kespa sentiments pretty laughable. kespa+ogn (lest we not forget mbc either), in their own right, has been keeping the starcraft scene running and very financially viable for a long while, and not to mention running a variety of other game leagues (hello LoL). two years in and the gsl still struggles to fill seats. the ESF members themselves, and partners, take on great financial burden to keep foreign interests invested in the GSL by having to fly and house their members all over the world, with only a select few bringing a return on investment. some of you thinking that kespa having to 'give into' the gsl is ridiculous. it is the situation where gom is at the mercy of kespa/ogn, not the other way around. the osl and pl are the true premier starcraft leagues; korean bw fans will have absolutely zero issue if esf pulls out of osl, for all the better for them to see their own fan interests take the place of esf members who have forfeited their positions. the only recourse is intervention by blizzard, who will do what? ban kespa from sc2? EDIT: My post was kinda flammatory. Self-moderating. | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:36 a176 wrote: i have to say, i find the anti-kespa sentiments pretty laughable. kespa+ogn (lest we not forget mbc either), in their own right, has been keeping the starcraft scene running and very financially viable for a long while, and not to mention running a variety of other game leagues (hello LoL). two years in and the gsl still struggles to fill seats. the ESF members themselves, and partners, take on great financial burden to keep foreign interests invested in the GSL by having to fly and house their members all over the world, with only a select few bringing a return on investment. some of you thinking that kespa having to 'give into' the gsl is ridiculous. it is the situation where gom is at the mercy of kespa/ogn, not the other way around. the osl and pl are the true premier starcraft leagues; korean bw fans will have absolutely zero issue if esf pulls out of osl, for all the better for them to see their own fan interests take the place of esf members who have forfeited their positions. the only recourse is intervention by blizzard, who will do what? ban kespa from sc2? KeSPA/OGN was the premiere Brood War league. They've done shit in SC2. GOM has made their brand global. Go to Dreamhack. Go to MLG. Go anywhere. Tastosis, Mr. Chae and the GOM staff have done a brilliant job making themselves the most prestigious and well known SC2 tournament in the world. Pretty much anyone into competitive SC2 knows the letters GSL. And why are you talking about GOM not filling their seats? There was literally no one watching during the ODT for this season's OSL. They got a huge crowd for the group selections, but that's it. I might say differently if the SC2 OSL was doing gangbusters, but there were nights when there were literally five people there. Code S continually fills up the studio. Yes, it's a small studio, but still waaaaay better than the ODT. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:36 a176 wrote: i have to say, i find the anti-kespa sentiments pretty laughable. kespa+ogn (lest we not forget mbc either), in their own right, has been keeping the starcraft scene running and very financially viable for a long while, and not to mention running a variety of other game leagues (hello LoL). two years in and the gsl still struggles to fill seats. the ESF members themselves, and partners, take on great financial burden to keep foreign interests invested in the GSL by having to fly and house their members all over the world, with only a select few bringing a return on investment. some of you thinking that kespa having to 'give into' the gsl is ridiculous. it is the situation where gom is at the mercy of kespa/ogn, not the other way around. the osl and pl are the true premier starcraft leagues; korean bw fans will have absolutely zero issue if esf pulls out of osl, for all the better for them to see their own fan interests take the place of esf members who have forfeited their positions. the only recourse is intervention by blizzard, who will do what? ban kespa from sc2? They have been keeping the starcraft scene running and very financially viable but only for a very few people. Defiantly not the players. They did that by making a monopoly and gaining absolute power. I cant believe how a fan of Starcraft is defending the side of big business that control the players freedom and financial income. The best thing that could possible happen for Starcraft in Korea would be the complete dismantling of Kespa. Then you would actually start to see grass root organisation again and increase player independence. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:36 a176 wrote: i have to say, i find the anti-kespa sentiments pretty laughable. kespa+ogn (lest we not forget mbc either), in their own right, has been keeping the starcraft scene running and very financially viable for a long while, and not to mention running a variety of other game leagues (hello LoL). two years in and the gsl still struggles to fill seats. the ESF members themselves, and partners, take on great financial burden to keep foreign interests invested in the GSL by having to fly and house their members all over the world, with only a select few bringing a return on investment. some of you thinking that kespa having to 'give into' the gsl is ridiculous. it is the situation where gom is at the mercy of kespa/ogn, not the other way around. the osl and pl are the true premier starcraft leagues; korean bw fans will have absolutely zero issue if esf pulls out of osl, for all the better for them to see their own fan interests take the place of esf members who have forfeited their positions. the only recourse is intervention by blizzard, who will do what? ban kespa from sc2? In other situation, that might be true. But right now, with the OSL almost going to start in 2 days, it is totally different story. 1. If ESF players pulls out, the OSL would have only 17 people in it. That means the schedule has to be postponed to fill in the gap. That would really hurt credibility of OGN/KesPA and reduce the chance for future sponsorship, which is the reason why they switched from BW. 2. Like Fionn said, they should have already done the promotion video for the league. That cause money and if they have to redo it, then it would even cost more, not counting the cost of holding out a new qualifier. 3. OSL would just lost its prestige. I think this is the most important part. A league where half of players decide to drop out could not be perceived as the most prestigious league anymore and I think OGN would want to avoid that at all cost. And that's not counting that not all the best players are playing. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:36 a176 wrote: i have to say, i find the anti-kespa sentiments pretty laughable. kespa+ogn (lest we not forget mbc either), in their own right, has been keeping the starcraft scene running and very financially viable for a long while, and not to mention running a variety of other game leagues (hello LoL). two years in and the gsl still struggles to fill seats. the ESF members themselves, and partners, take on great financial burden to keep foreign interests invested in the GSL by having to fly and house their members all over the world, with only a select few bringing a return on investment. some of you thinking that kespa having to 'give into' the gsl is ridiculous. it is the situation where gom is at the mercy of kespa/ogn, not the other way around. the osl and pl are the true premier starcraft leagues; korean bw fans will have absolutely zero issue if esf pulls out of osl, for all the better for them to see their own fan interests take the place of esf members who have forfeited their positions. the only recourse is intervention by blizzard, who will do what? ban kespa from sc2? What your saying is at MOST half true, since Kespa has already give in to some of the pressure. | ||
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BuddhaMonk
781 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:36 a176 wrote: i have to say, i find the anti-kespa sentiments pretty laughable. kespa+ogn (lest we not forget mbc either), in their own right, has been keeping the starcraft scene running and very financially viable for a long while, and not to mention running a variety of other game leagues (hello LoL). two years in and the gsl still struggles to fill seats. the ESF members themselves, and partners, take on great financial burden to keep foreign interests invested in the GSL by having to fly and house their members all over the world, with only a select few bringing a return on investment. some of you thinking that kespa having to 'give into' the gsl is ridiculous. it is the situation where gom is at the mercy of kespa/ogn, not the other way around. the osl and pl are the true premier starcraft leagues; korean bw fans will have absolutely zero issue if esf pulls out of osl, for all the better for them to see their own fan interests take the place of esf members who have forfeited their positions. the only recourse is intervention by blizzard, who will do what? ban kespa from sc2? I think you're wrong about Korean BW fans, there's been a lot of negativity toward KeSPA by them. Blizzard could also take legal action against KeSPA (wouldn't be the first time). | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:15 Fionn wrote: ESF has KeSPA by the balls. The first games of OSL are in two days. I'm sure they already produced the opening video, graphics, etc. If the ESF players (besides Oz) drop out, then what? Do they just say, 'Hey, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong, here, take these free spots!' and photoshop their faces onto the ESF players bodies in the intro? I would be surprised if KeSPA doesn't just give in by the end of the today and let their players try out for Code A. Either that or you see separation and they'll act on their own. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:49 JiPrime wrote: Blizzard can stoop to KeSPA-level of scumbaggery, like emergency server maintenance 10 minutes before heated OS2L/SPL finals, or a blanket ban on KeSPA accounts. Thank god for no-LAN. And IMO, I won't miss Korean BW fans either, they are the some of the most disgusting people to ever browse on the world wide web, and when I compare them to you BW elitists, I see saintly posts in front of me. As of now they're still assravaged that BW is dead and at this point, it will do more bad than good, trying to force them to enjoy what they absolutely despise. Good riddance, I say. I'm curious how the law would pan out if Blizzard decided to attack Kespa, SC2, the players, and the fans in such a brazen manner. Judging by the state of these threads, foreigners would suck their cocks, but I can't imagine Korea would tolerate it. | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
they need to understand this is a new scene, where they are the newcomers. kespa are NOT the tyrants here that they are used to being in BW, where they own everything, everyone, and call all the shots. sc2 is a global esport, not just confined to Korea like BW where their word was law. they need to learn this and find/earn their place in all this like the rest of us, and they need to accept they're not the royalty they think they are. They made starcraft BW what it was/is, Granted. But they had nothing at all to do with the success of sc2, and they are worth no more than any other sc2 organisation, particularly GOM. | ||
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