UPDATE: Doa is in the hospital and won't be going to Korea, so there may be no English cast for this OSL.
According to Doa's recent blog, he and and Moletrap will be teaming up to provide English coverage of the 2012 Auction All-Kill OnGameNet Starleague. Their first cast will be August 28, 19:30 KST for the round of 16 onwards until the conclusion of the league later this year. A stream of long-time Korean OSL commentators Jeon, Uhm and Kim will be available.
Participants in the round of 16 are: JangBi DongRaeGu MarineKing By.Rain Fantasy NesTea Oz Last BaBy PartinG Mvp Flying BeSt MC FlaSh San
Some background history: Doa and Moletrap have previously co-casted Code A of the GSL together. Doa also spent some time casting the IPL prior to his return to Korea to cast for OnGameNet.
whoa they're back together? honestly don't think they synergize too well with each other, but great to see both of these guys casting in korean tournies again!
I like Doa, but I really really do not like Moletrap.
I remember back when he casted together with Khaldor in GSL, where Moletrap was outright wrong with basic game knowledge, time and time again. Hopefully OGN will find someone else at a point, so Moletrap can go back to LoL :/
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
Man I am certainly in the minority here but I actually liked them together in Code A, not as good as Doa with Wolf but they were solid enough. I must just be craaaaaaaazy
The only things I've had in terms of lame puns and awkward jokes since Doatrap has been Wolf's obsession with hair and Incontrol's German Porn Voice while casting with Khaldor.
I'm kinda looking forward to this. I personally enjoyed Moletrap's LoL casting (even though I don't like the game, prefer Dota 2 for my MOBA fix). Here's hoping he can come back to SC2 and be better than before!
On August 24 2012 16:40 Hentosai wrote: doa i can dig but god damn moletrap ruined code a now i gotta put up with him to watch flash play what the hell....
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
If you have to try to understand the caster, something is wrong.
On August 24 2012 16:40 Hentosai wrote: doa i can dig but god damn moletrap ruined code a now i gotta put up with him to watch flash play what the hell....
Flash isn't in this...
....... i think you might want to re read the OP and whos in this osl
On August 24 2012 16:40 Hentosai wrote: doa i can dig but god damn moletrap ruined code a now i gotta put up with him to watch flash play what the hell....
I am fine with doa, he got a great voice listening to and a midtier caster imo, which is okey but not enough to cast OGN.
Moletrap, please go back to LoL casting sc2 is not for you, everyone will just hate you even more now, bad move if you look at if from that perspective.
I am sure there are several casters who are alot better even progamers who are willingly if they get the chance to move to korea and cast for OGN, it is a dream for many.
I really don't get the moletrap hate. I mean, I got it before, but I think he's really improved since then. I'm still hesitant because I don't think they've got the greatest chemistry, but I'm willing to give them another chance together. Still, wish Doa and Khaldor still casted together, team handsome was the best casting duo.
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
Or it was that her game knowledge was substandard (which is isn't too uncommon for most casters unfortunately) and her English was barely comprehensible.
Nothing against her personally, but she's not a good caster. Neither is Moletrap. OGN must be clueless about how the international community feels about the guy.
On August 24 2012 16:44 Deimos0 wrote: Why so much hate for moletrap? Have I missed something about him? (I didn't watch code a with him, but I enjoyed his BW casting)
you should go watch some old code a vods his game knowledge is terrible he makes stupid jokes non stop that are not even funny, makes calles on plays that are mostly always wrong shouts and screams at inappropiate times
thats just my opinion anyways lol, DOA is ok but Moletrap does not fit in sc2, and LoL saw a few casts of the latest championship and he doesn't know much about that game either
I thought DOA was fine and Moletrap...................... he's not as bad as people say - I will say I really really like Wolf and Khaldor though. I'd be at least willing to tune in to the stream of this, does anyone know what URL? - I've paid for my year of GOM so I really only want to scope out the free stream, see if I like it.
On August 24 2012 16:40 Hentosai wrote: doa i can dig but god damn moletrap ruined code a now i gotta put up with him to watch flash play what the hell....
On August 24 2012 16:50 Cabinet Sanchez wrote: I thought DOA was fine and Moletrap...................... he's not as bad as people say - I will say I really really like Wolf and Khaldor though. I'd be at least willing to tune in to the stream of this, does anyone know what URL? - I've paid for my year of GOM so I really only want to scope out the free stream, see if I like it.
I stopped watching Code A because of this specific pairing. It's not high-level analysis, it's not funny and it's not exciting play by play? It's just bad.
I personally like this combo. I loved Doa and Wolf overall, and I know Moletrap has some casting issues, but I can still enjoy his cast. At least he cares and gets into it. Good luck boys!
well doa is decent enough, not great but watchable. moletrap i just grew to dislike his commentary and attitude towards his co casters near the end of his gsl career. overall i think they could have gotten better people to do the job maybe some up and coming casters. not too excited about this casting duo tbh but they might be better this time around together.
On August 24 2012 16:50 Cabinet Sanchez wrote: I thought DOA was fine and Moletrap...................... he's not as bad as people say - I will say I really really like Wolf and Khaldor though. I'd be at least willing to tune in to the stream of this, does anyone know what URL? - I've paid for my year of GOM so I really only want to scope out the free stream, see if I like it.
It will be free, at 720p I recall.
So better than GOM then? That's quite impressive. If only we could get the ultimate casting trio for one of the english streams, Wolf, Artosis and Khaldor, it'd be so damn good
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
We come from similar backgrounds and I am used to her kind of accent, but I still had a hard time understanding her. She was ok as a caster though, peeps just be hatin'.
Doa yay, Moletrap nay? I think if the community does have good critism, it should be given as such. If Moletraps gives a bit more room for Doa, the duo could work great.
They should have just had Moletrap cast solo, which is what he does best. One of the things people liked least about him during his time in GSL was how he often interrupted his co-caster, or totally neglected what his co-caster was saying. He is fine doing things solo though.
Doa should be used more as a commentator (rather than as an analyst) because his voice is so sexy
Ugh I am so sick of all of the hate in this thread already. I am looking forward to hearing the cast and watching two already talented individuals grow.
Sayle can still cast I believe, but you would just have to have the OGN stream opened in 1 tab and Sayle's in another. If he is just talking with none of the OGN stuff on his own stream I don't see how they can shut down a guy for talking.
Didn't Sayle say on his stream that he was not going to commentate the OSL since there would be an English stream? Thought I heard him say so at one point.
OT: I think DOA does a fine job, at the same time I agree with other sentiments in this thread that it seems as if Moletrap works best as a single caster. Guess we will have to see how it works out, he deserves another chance at least...
On August 24 2012 17:15 SeeKeR wrote: All the Moletrap hate has been resurrected...
I'm not particularly fond of the guy myself but he works damn hard and doesn't deserve all the crap he gets IMHO. :/
i agree that he works hard and for that he should get praise
But when you are under pair in what you do and put yourself infront of a audience that demands nothing but the best you will get crap and he knows it when taking the job. Honestly i don't feel bad for him
Great for them, but ... yea, I never liked their casting. Doa really turned me off anything IPL did, and Moletrap never did convince 'bout him being good. I'll turn in and see how it turns out - but this seems like a really poor choice by OSL.
Who knows? I might be wrong...
Good luck to both of them though! Hope you do well!
It doesn't get worse than Doa paired with Moletrap. I'd actually rather listen to Kellymilkies than this specific pairing. I like Doa, and Moletrap I don't mind or care for, but pair these two together and you're in for the worst broadcast you can get.
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
Oh we did. But we really could not literally understand her.
I'll only be tuning into the Korean audio stream regardless of who's casting simply because I love Korean casting too much. Nevertheless I just have to say this. No matter how much people hate Moletrap, and I'm not saying your complaints are not valid, I feel so proud of the man. In 5 years, armed with nothing but passion, determination and a crappy microphone, he went from being a nobody in the community to casting for the most historic Starcraft tournament in the world. The guy is truly living the dream.
I can't remember what episode it was unfortunately, but in one of the older State of the Games Artosis was talking about the costs of getting castors moved over to S Korea to cast the english stream, and I can't help but wonder if the choice of castors was simply convenience? No offence to any of the castors personally or anything like that of course but they aren't exactly the most popular casters (even just scrolling through the comments) but I may be speaking too soon, perhaps there has been improvement, I hope so, gl to them =D
To those commenting how OSL free stream is omg heavenly
Free 720p with fewer games and 10 minutes of commercials between games, with longer commercials between matches vs Free 240p/360p or Paid High(er) Quality with more games and 5-10 minute breaks between matches
On August 24 2012 17:48 lichter wrote: To those commenting how OSL free stream is omg heavenly
Free 720p with fewer games and 10 minutes of commercials between games, with longer commercials between matches vs Free 240p/360p or Paid High(er) Quality with more games and 5-10 minute breaks between matches
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
She's too busy storming off dota 2 casts to be there.
Actually she moongladed some dota pro so she isn't casting as far as I know.
I recall her casting some dota 2 tournament where she unhooked her casting equipment and left tobi wan to work by himself. I dunno really there's so much shit regarding kelly and dota 2 I don't pay attention anymore.
On August 24 2012 17:52 Jakkerr wrote: Moletrap is the only caster in SC2 history that I just COULD NOT listen to. Mute button or check the results afterwards I guess.
Well, he shares the spot with Kelly M. I guess he's that kind of person though, either you love him or hate him.
On August 24 2012 17:52 Jakkerr wrote: Moletrap is the only caster in SC2 history that I just COULD NOT listen to. Mute button or check the results afterwards I guess.
Well, he shares the spot with Kelly M. I guess he's that kind of person though, either you love him or hate him.
I think Moletrap is an ok caster. Not amazing and not horrible, just ok. Doa on the other hand I really like
But as things stand with KeSPA being KeSPA I simply will not tune in at all anyway.
With the OSL cut down to 8 Kespa players and Oz, who for all we know may end up dropping out as well in support of ESF, and Moletrap being added to the casting roster I don't think I will be tuning in.
Doa is great, but Moletrap+Doa was never even a decent combination. Sorry, even if there are a few vocal people that like Moletrap the fact that there is so many people that hate his casting should have ruled him out as a viable candidate to cast this. It isn't even an experimental new combination, we've seen this fail in code A before.
Right now I do not plan on watching the OSL. This plus the loss of ESF players killed it for me. The way I see it right now is that at least in the foreign scene the OSL needs to play catch-up to the GSL's far superior casting team and established SC2. Most people new to esports in SC2 only know a few big BW names, and so to many MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP are the biggest names. Right now the OSL is failing miserably to compete with the GSL in my eyes.
yeah honestly fuck kespa for this. this could have been the greatest tournament of sc2 or as close to it as we can currently have it, but they ruined everything.
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
Only the tone of her voice irritated me.. partially because I had a total witch as a boss who was from China and has the same accent and almost the same voice.. made me hate hearing it
I find Doa bearable but I just can't stand Moletrap's casting... I respect his knowledge and sometimes even enjoy his BW content, but as a caster I find him irritating to say the least.
Anyway, the problem is (temporarily) solved by eSports Fed step-out. If (when?) OSL starts, I'll just go for the korean stream.
Well this just confirms what we already knew. I'll definitely be watching the Korean stream.
Without wishing to be harsh, you would think OSL could afford better casters. Well. . .maybe "better" is too subjective - I'm sure some people love Doa and Moletrap, and that's fine - but more popular ones, at least. I don't enjoy a lot of the casters I hear, but at least I understand that it's because others like them or a tournament can't afford a better one, but here I don't get the OSL's reasoning. I guess it can only be ignorance.
With all the shenanigans surrouding KeSPA pulling out of GSL and ESF ditching the OSL ... and with Moletrap casting - I guess I'll watch some Testie Heroes of Newerth stream :D Or maybe repaint my room and watch it dry very carefully and closely.
Hopefully Doa will be able to pull through. I'm extremely hesitant to watch OSL with Moletrap casting, unless he seriously changed his approach to casting. His tone of voice and lack of game knowledge made it irritating to listen to.
SOO many Moletrap haters. I honestly don't mind him at all. If people seriously don't watch because of this, you guys are the worst SC2 fans ever. Watch for the games and players, not the casters.
On August 25 2012 00:39 Swissm wrote: Awesome, I love Sayle's stream!
Is he going to try again after what happened during the tving OSL finals? It seems that the tolerance of restreams won't be the same now that there is an official English stream.
On August 25 2012 00:15 Mzimzim wrote: SOO many Moletrap haters. I honestly don't mind him at all. If people seriously don't watch because of this, you guys are the worst SC2 fans ever. Watch for the games and players, not the casters.
Yeah he just doesn't seem that bad to me. I mean he's not Artosis level or anything, but he's just leagues above HD or Husky. If either of them casted osl I would legitimately mute or watch Korean stream.
On August 25 2012 00:15 Mzimzim wrote: SOO many Moletrap haters. I honestly don't mind him at all. If people seriously don't watch because of this, you guys are the worst SC2 fans ever. Watch for the games and players, not the casters.
Yeah he just doesn't seem that bad to me. I mean he's not Artosis level or anything, but he's just leagues above HD or Husky. If either of them casted osl I would legitimately mute or watch Korean stream.
Iunno, Husky's gotten a lot better lately, I wouldn't mind Husky as much as two years ago. I dislike moletrap because of how his voice sounds, but that's just a personal thing and I don't think he's all that bad otherwise.
Unfortunately, a lot of the sc2 audience just literally believe in the casters (ie Player X is way behind Player Y, Player X will lose this engagement). Honestly, a lot of the casters are just like us experienced viewers, they will offer their input but it is not 100% accurate. Hell, even the pro players themselves might not know how the engagement will turn out with so many factors in play. Of course, we should listen to the caster's opinion but we should also look at the game itself. This is not unlike other professional sports where the casters also get it wrong (NBA, Olympics, etc) until they see the replays.
On August 25 2012 00:39 Swissm wrote: Awesome, I love Sayle's stream!
Is he going to try again after what happened during the tving OSL finals? It seems that the tolerance of restreams won't be the same now that there is an official English stream.
They didn't seem to have a problem with an audio only stream, so you watch their stream with no volume and sayle's with only volume, this seemed to work for OminouS' OSL stream just fine.
On August 24 2012 17:48 lichter wrote: To those commenting how OSL free stream is omg heavenly
Free 720p with fewer games and 10 minutes of commercials between games, with longer commercials between matches vs Free 240p/360p or Paid High(er) Quality with more games and 5-10 minute breaks between matches
I'm happy for them, but I'd prefer other casters. I am glad at Moletrap at least is familiar with BW. I'm not familiar enough with Doa to know when he entered the scene.
Doa is good but Moletrap? Haven't they listened to there community? I doubt if there is more than 1% of the community that would want to listen to Moletrap cast...
I like Doa too, but my dislike of Moletrap is too strong. I'll settle for it being muted, hell I'd rather hear the Korean casts even if I have no idea what they are saying.
Hmmmm. Hopefully Moletrap improved a lot in the time since we got rid of him in GSL, I'll tune in and give him a chance (if OSL is even going to happen, that is). If his casting is still at the level it used to be, it will be a muted stream for me, as I cannot stand unintelligible screaming; best option would be to just put up a stream with game sounds, as I'd miss them if I had to mute the stream. Oh well, one cannot have everything.
Will definitely (should the ESF/KeSPA things get settled) watch the english stream. Liked Moletrap ever since BW, hasn't really changed much. All the hate is ridiculous...
erik lonnquist @GoSuDoa In the hospital. Something way way wrong with my stomach. I'll be ok it looks like, but no Korea. Sorry guys.
Said they gave him either Morphine or something like it for the pain. He was allowed to go home, but his casting future in Korea is shady at best - at least for the immediate future.
I hope its just some freak virus or bug and he is able to pursue his ambitions as he pleases. Get better soon DOA.
Saw that coming. Guess I'm watching OSL without sound. Although Moletrap seems to have calmed his voice a lot while casting LoL, if he can carry that through to SC2 it might be ok. If he goes back to old habits, I'll have sad times
moletrap ftw, this will be a treat for anyone who enjoyed the good old dual/triple commentaries by diggity, moletrap, & co. Most of the haters never even gave moletrap a chance because they only got into esports after sc2 came out. For ppl who followed esports since bw, the english content by youtube casters were the only decent vods arounds. Obviously you cant compare moletrap to artosis or tasteless, but i still enjoy his style of casual/passionate casting.
Mooster: the "haters" like you say are juste people who really dislike his casting, and his voice. He knows nothing about SC2 and has a horrible voice (for someone who is paid to TALK, this is more than important). I used to pay for GSL and not watch code A just because of him, even if I would have loved to watch code A. If he was that passionate about the game he would learn a thing or two and stop calling completely stupid shit. He would do like doa and wolf and actually study the game he's supposed to cast. I don't think it will happen, he didn't do it when he was with GOM. His casting was complete shit back then and it will be complete shit with OGN, I'm pretty sure of it.
Mooster: the "haters" like you say are juste people who really dislike his casting, and his voice. He knows nothing about SC2 and has a horrible voice (for someone who is paid to TALK, this is more than important). I used to pay for GSL and not watch code A just because of him, even if I would have loved to watch code A. If he was that passionate about the game he would learn a thing or two and stop calling completely stupid shit. He would do like doa and wolf and actually study the game he's supposed to cast. I don't think it will happen, he didn't do it when he was with GOM. His casting was complete shit back then and it will be complete shit with OGN, I'm pretty sure of it.
This sucks
Like i said, people who got into esports and TL after sc2 came out, you guys had the luxury of watching artosis and tasteless cast for the GSL. For me, i watched moletrap's commentaries before ever watching tasteless cast the gom invitational. I can undertand if highly technical and indepth analysis is your thing and obviously casters like tastetosis who are high level players themselves have a better understanding of the game compared to moletrap. But moletrap puts great effort into casting, he spends alot of time doing research on matchup's, player profiles, etc. He doesn't play the game at the same level as artosis, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe theres recent trends and shifts in the meta game that he hasn't caught on to, but for most casual viewers im pretty sure his casting is plentiful.
That being said, for some people who are picky about random stuff like a caster's voice. The guy's in korea living his dream and the dream of many other fans, give him a chance. Stop bashing on him, im pretty sure he's well aware of all the criticism, and he'll do the best he can.
IMO, the casters are there to give the casual audience a more enjoyable experience by explaining simple concepts, and i think moletrap's doing a great job at that. For the more hardcore viewers, you can pretty much understand whats going without the casters even commentating. So iuno what your complaining about.
No, he doesn't know ANYTHING. His time on GOM he was calling complete bullshit all the time. Stuff like "these marauders are going to die" when there are 10 stim marauders vs 10 stalkers. This happened all the time. He doesn't know SHIT about the game. It's not just some korean metagame trend I'm talking about, he lacks the most basic knowledge about the game. If he was passionate about the game that wouldn't be the case. I don't think he's passionate, I just think he gets excited easily when casting or that he likes showcasing his high-pitched shitty voice.
Just because he went to korea to live his dream doesn't mean we have to admire him or like him, I don't care. I used to pay for his shit and that was painful. It's his job, not some kind of awesome work he does for the community or something.
I was wondering if I would still watch this now that the GOM players are not playing in it. Thanks for making my decision trivial. I can't even look at moletrap's face let alone listen to him for hours at a time.
I hope they will link the Korean broadcast seeing as i wont be able to watch the English one, No offence to Moletrap, but i am not able to enjoy hes casting, i have tried.
Mooster: the "haters" like you say are juste people who really dislike his casting, and his voice. He knows nothing about SC2 and has a horrible voice (for someone who is paid to TALK, this is more than important). I used to pay for GSL and not watch code A just because of him, even if I would have loved to watch code A. If he was that passionate about the game he would learn a thing or two and stop calling completely stupid shit. He would do like doa and wolf and actually study the game he's supposed to cast. I don't think it will happen, he didn't do it when he was with GOM. His casting was complete shit back then and it will be complete shit with OGN, I'm pretty sure of it.
This sucks
Like i said, people who got into esports and TL after sc2 came out, you guys had the luxury of watching artosis and tasteless cast for the GSL. For me, i watched moletrap's commentaries before ever watching tasteless cast the gom invitational. I can undertand if highly technical and indepth analysis is your thing and obviously casters like tastetosis who are high level players themselves have a better understanding of the game compared to moletrap. But moletrap puts great effort into casting, he spends alot of time doing research on matchup's, player profiles, etc. He doesn't play the game at the same level as artosis, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe theres recent trends and shifts in the meta game that he hasn't caught on to, but for most casual viewers im pretty sure his casting is plentiful.
That being said, for some people who are picky about random stuff like a caster's voice. The guy's in korea living his dream and the dream of many other fans, give him a chance. Stop bashing on him, im pretty sure he's well aware of all the criticism, and he'll do the best he can.
IMO, the casters are there to give the casual audience a more enjoyable experience by explaining simple concepts, and i think moletrap's doing a great job at that. For the more hardcore viewers, you can pretty much understand whats going without the casters even commentating. So iuno what your complaining about.
I'm with you, Mooster
Moletrap is someone who really enjoys the game and shows enthusiasm. We should really follow his example instead of nitpicking what is wrong with him.
Well, guess I'll keep watching OSL in Korean... I love Doas casting, but i just can't stand Moletraps. I really hope he doesnt cast proleague... I want Sayle to be able to continue to cast proleague..
OK this is ez. Doa, we all know whats going on right now with him. moletrap, not gonna say anything about that guy. I will enjoy this OSL with korean casting as Ive done it for the last six years.
I personally don't find moletrap any more annoying than wolf and khaldor. Wolf's excited voice actually makes me cringe because it's always monotone and he leaves the end of every sentence hanging with the EXACT SAME INTONATION. Khaldor can also be quite monotone. So I won't be looking at this as any lower quality than code A.
Also I think it's reasonable to wait this out and give moletrap a second chance. It's just not necessary to say "derp derp mute" before watching some OSL. I mean I know it's fun to insult people you don't like but maybe do the mature thing and look back over what you wrote before hitting post .
I appreciate Moletrap's efforts, but I still think don't like his casting. I would be happier if he were to use his BW knowledge to write introductions for players or something akin, but I would very much prefer someone else in the role of caster.
No, he doesn't know ANYTHING. His time on GOM he was calling complete bullshit all the time. Stuff like "these marauders are going to die" when there are 10 stim marauders vs 10 stalkers. This happened all the time. He doesn't know SHIT about the game. It's not just some korean metagame trend I'm talking about, he lacks the most basic knowledge about the game. If he was passionate about the game that wouldn't be the case. I don't think he's passionate, I just think he gets excited easily when casting or that he likes showcasing his high-pitched shitty voice.
Just because he went to korea to live his dream doesn't mean we have to admire him or like him, I don't care. I used to pay for his shit and that was painful. It's his job, not some kind of awesome work he does for the community or something.
Maybe he has trouble doing live broadcasts or has some nerve issues. But I still believe that his knowledge of the game is at high enough of a level to recognize unit counters and tactical advantages. The example you gave might have been a spur of the moment comment. But seriously, you saw the marauder vs stalker engagement happen, so why should moletrap's comment even matter to what's going on in the game? Not all casters are perfect, and maybe moletrap makes a few more mistakes than others, instead of calling bs, why don't you just think to yourself "oh, moletrap's so silly. I should be casting instead kekeke". We've all had moments where we spot certain aspects of a game that a caster hasn't caught onto. We want them to realize their mistake and comment on what they missed, but for the most part the commentary is supplement to the actual gameplay itself. Im glad you paid for GSL and supporting esports, and maybe you feel that moletrap doesn't deserve to get paid. I suggest you get in touch with moletrap and have a detailed discussion. Cuz clearly you're examples and complaints aren't justified to everyone in the greater scheme of things. -note: sometimes i feel people take everything for granted and does not even bother to brush up on their history to see what others have gone through to bring about the great passions we enjoy such as esports.
Also for anyone interested, moletrap's youtube channel has a ton of vods with dual/triple commentaries of BW. Theres also his own videos on korean culture and interviews in kespa team houses.
This just further helps the protest against OSL. Might seem cold to say, but the majority clearly doesn't support Moletrap as a SC2 caster, I'm not sure why he would be casted for a major event.
moletrap casting OSL is even more bad news than DOA getting sick. This is absolutely terrible week of starcraft 2. OSL will be muted. Edit : actually i will be tuning into the korean commentary instead.
On August 25 2012 02:58 Mooster wrote: Maybe he has trouble doing live broadcasts or has some nerve issues. But I still believe that his knowledge of the game is at high enough of a level to recognize unit counters and tactical advantages. The example you gave might have been a spur of the moment comment. But seriously, you saw the marauder vs stalker engagement happen, so why should moletrap's comment even matter to what's going on in the game? Not all casters are perfect, and maybe moletrap makes a few more mistakes than others, instead of calling bs, why don't you just think to yourself "oh, moletrap's so silly. I should be casting instead kekeke". We've all had moments where we spot certain aspects of a game that a caster hasn't caught onto. We want them to realize their mistake and comment on what they missed, but for the most part the commentary is supplement to the actual gameplay itself. Im glad you paid for GSL and supporting esports, and maybe you feel that moletrap doesn't deserve to get paid. I suggest you get in touch with moletrap and have a detailed discussion. Cuz clearly you're examples and complaints aren't justified to everyone in the greater scheme of things. -note: sometimes i feel people take everything for granted and does not even bother to brush up on their history to see what others have gone through to bring about the great passions we enjoy such as esports.
Also for anyone interested, moletrap's youtube channel has a ton of vods with dual/triple commentaries of BW. Theres also his own videos on korean culture and interviews in kespa team houses.
If he has trouble doing live broadcasts then he shouldn't get paid to do it, that's kind of my point. If he has nerve issues then he shouldn't be paid to cast ffs !
Not all casters are perfect and everyone makes mistakes, that's fine. But his calls were mostly bullshit. He didn't say like one stupid thing a night, he was doing it all the time.
I don't understand what you mean by "clearly you're examples and complaints aren't justified to everyone in the greater scheme of things". Most people dislike moletrap. I'll give you another example: I don't like Doa and Wolf. They're not as bad as moletrap though and they actually know some stuff about the game. I don't like them, they make me cringe a lot. But I'm not going to post about it, because overall they're actually decent casters and you can tell they're making efforts. From all his time at GOM, moletrap never improved. He was terrible at casting day 1 and he was still terrible in the end.
There were hundreds of posts on GOM about moletrap being terrible, same here. This isn't because people are mean or something, it's because people, in majority, really dislike his casting. People are allowed to have an opinion (specially when they're paying ...), we're not yelling "HURR DUURRRR DIE IN A FIRE MOLETRAP", we're just saying we hate his casting.
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
Same minority. You get beyond the accent and intonation and she did a fine job. I've seen other comments about it in the thread, but honestly, I just tuned out the higher tone with which it was given.
Moletrap casting is bad, whether it is from analytical (he does not understand how the game works/fail to convey his knowledge) and his play by play is fall short when compared to Husky,DJwheat,Totalbiscuit and many others.
Its okay to have someone of moletrap caliber to cast small tournaments but for the OSL?, Id rather tune in to sayle cast (should he decided to cast OSL)
Moletrap isn't my favorite caster but it beats listening to commentating that you can't understand (most of the time). Seems kind of silly to boycott the English stream for petty reasons at a time when they're gauging interest in it for future investment. Criticizing is one thing, but boycotting is extreme.
After watching Wolf and Khaldor for a few days during WCS, I grew to like them. They're not perfect, but they're likable, have pretty good play-by-play/analysis and have good chemistry together. During the OSL finals, Moletrap had no chemistry at all. He constantly spoke over others/ignored them/went on and on himself. Not much fun.
On August 27 2012 19:38 Rah wrote: Moletrap isn't my favorite caster but it beats listening to commentating that you can't understand (most of the time). Seems kind of silly to boycott the English stream for petty reasons at a time when they're gauging interest in it for future investment. Criticizing is one thing, but boycotting is extreme.
But the korean casters have so much more knowledge and are so much better! Blashphemy! ... except i can't understand them and all i hear is excited cheering (which they admittedly do better than most english casters), so i'll watch it in english, too.
Not that happy about moletrap, he always looked like his heart wasn't really in SC2 and he seemed to have found his calling in LoL. Then again, he has a BW past, so maybe he'll be more excited with the KeSPA players.
On August 24 2012 16:27 Fionn wrote: It's like I've traveled back to early 2011 GSL with Moletrap, Doa and Torch all on OGN.
Where's Kelly?
You know I was part of the minority that actually really liked Kelly casting. I think she just suffered from being the first perso not artosis or tasteless and that people didnt want to try to understand her.
Nope...that definitely wasn't the problem.
This one will definitely be a mutecast for me. Somewhat unfortunate since I appreciate Doa.
Just when i thought this duo was dissolved forever they come back to haunt me with their awful casting. Casting is supposed to entertain the fans in one way or the other, but these guys are the opposite of entertaining. Watching them cast is like going to youtube and searching for some random low quality cast from someone who just started casting a week ago. Why torture us? WHY????
On August 25 2012 02:36 Kaien wrote: I dont mind moletrap that much but man, atleast one of the two casters should be high masters ..
so true
EDIT: just so this isn't just a +1 - i dont know if EVERYONE can be a super awesome blow your mind caster. but everyone can be pretty good and just like everything in life - no pain no gain. I'd love to see Moletrap work up to being masters in korea - I'd bet he'd become a great caster out of it
Moletrap is the worst caster ever. I feel bad for Doa associating himself with such an idiot. I can only imagine he has no choice if he wants the opportunity. Moletrap has 0 game knowledge, is not likeable in any way, and puts in 0 effort to improve.
On August 25 2012 02:36 Kaien wrote: I dont mind moletrap that much but man, atleast one of the two casters should be high masters ..
so true
EDIT: just so this isn't just a +1 - i dont know if EVERYONE can be a super awesome blow your mind caster. but everyone can be pretty good and just like everything in life - no pain no gain. I'd love to see Moletrap work up to being masters in korea - I'd bet he'd become a great caster out of it
you're talking a guy who sends 3 scvs to kill a drone attacking his scv on building rax and loses the scv making it.
put me down in the moletrap hater fan club. As bad as it sounds to actively hate a caster (like hows that possible). I just cant help but be honest because it looks like we will have to have the most prestigious league ruined by him if we dont say something.
Every time i tuned into code A when he was casting i literally sighed . I could see and hear the fakness in his casting, I could see he does not like starcraft 2, I could see he put no effort into actually playing the game at a somewhat okay level to understand what actually was going on. Then you top it off with a flounder voice that sounds like a little 13 year old and he interrupts the co-caster many times . This is bad, just plain bad. Worst yet, he clearly knows the sc2 community does not approve of his casting, yet he accepts the job offer. You left casting starcraft 2 for a reason moletrap, and now you come back? Please stick to casting LOL. I saw your interview with artosis and you was praising LOL like if its the best thing ever. Stick to LOL please, dont come back!
There is only a very small minority that actually likes moletrap, and if you ask for reasons why they like moletrap . They tell you "well he did so much for Broodwar". Nothing about the present, only about the past. We live in the present, his casting is terrible. Would like to see another option explored . Would love to hear Torch & DOA instead ( i mentioned people that are in korea or willing to go to korea)
On August 28 2012 00:37 johnny123 wrote: put me down in the moletrap hater fan club. As bad as it sounds to actively hate a caster (like hows that possible). I just cant help but be honest because it looks like we will have to have the most prestigious league ruined by him if we dont say something.
Every time i tuned into code A when he was casting i literally sighed . I could see and hear the fakness in his casting, I could see he does not like starcraft 2, I could see he put no effort into actually playing the game at a somewhat okay level to understand what actually was going on. Then you top it off with a flounder voice that sounds like a little 13 year old and he interrupts the co-caster many times . This is bad, just plain bad. Worst yet, he clearly knows the sc2 community does not approve of his casting, yet he accepts the job offer. You left casting starcraft 2 for a reason moletrap, and now you come back? Please stick to casting LOL. I saw your interview with artosis and you was praising LOL like if its the best thing ever. Stick to LOL please, dont come back!
There is only a very small minority that actually likes moletrap, and if you ask for reasons why they like moletrap . They tell you "well he did so much for Broodwar". Nothing about the present, only about the past. We live in the present, his casting is terrible. Would like to see another option explored . Would love to hear Torch & DOA instead ( i mentioned people that are in korea or willing to go to korea)
Yeah I agree with pretty much everything here. It's quite irritating to me that so many seem to dislike Moletrap yet he keeps getting these casting gigs at important tournaments.
I thought we'd gotten rid of him when I saw him casting LoL, sadly it seems I was wrong.
On August 27 2012 19:27 sixfour wrote: oh, it's degenerated into the usual caster bashing
I think this is less caster bashing and more speaking out. I genuinely can not stand to watch Moletrap casts, the reasons for that have been explained to death in this thread. I'll watch the Korean one and be happy. Maybe in the future they can find people willing to move to Korea and cast that I like.
On August 27 2012 19:42 GolemMadness wrote: After watching Wolf and Khaldor for a few days during WCS, I grew to like them. They're not perfect, but they're likable, have pretty good play-by-play/analysis and have good chemistry together. During the OSL finals, Moletrap had no chemistry at all. He constantly spoke over others/ignored them/went on and on himself. Not much fun.
It took me about 3-4 months to like them as a pair. These days I think their chemistry together is great, they both have great game knowledge, they get along well and they have a good "jokey" attitude. When the code A casters came along (Doa, Wolf, Khaldor & Moletrap) it felt like Doa was carrying every pair and seemed to be the only natural person in front of a camera, Wolf and Khaldor have definitely improved greatly and now look right at home in front of the camera.
The only person who I don't feel has shown any improvement is Moletrap, he never had a high level of sc2 knowledge and now that he's spent time casting LoL you would have to assume if anything his game knowledge has gotten worse. It hurts even more to know that Doa won't be there, unless they bring someone over to replace him I think I'll be muting the english stream.
Originally I was hoping they would bring over some of the smaller known casting pairs (e.g hd/painuser) to cast for OGN but it seems that they really don't know how Moletrap is perceived by the majority of the sc2 community
I've always liked Torch, and while I know Moletrap has paid his dues in full, his casting still urks me to kingdom come. Hopefully they get some synergy, would love it if it had a quality English broadcast.
On August 28 2012 01:03 alone wrote: Wtb Sayle as official caster ;c. Wish they would let him just spec the game and commentate from his home.
I will always watch sayle over every other caster EXCEPT Artosis
Sayle is indeed fucking awesome, he would still however not have been able to do it I think if he was offered something by OGN since he has always been working around the time that OSL is on.
fuck yeah to DOA however moletrap needs to go.. i dont see why he is famed so much as a great caster.. im not bashign him howver he is a great guy and very nice. i just feel his casting skills dont match up to DOA..
Off with his head! jk. Them hiring Moletrap tells me two things. They either did a 0% background check on on him and how liked he is by the community, or they couldn't find another caster with a name who would be willing to commit to Korea. I am mostly leaning towards the second one since most of the casters are jumping back and forth for tournaments.
One good thing is, atleast I'll be able to watch OGN LoL without mute (hopefully he stops casting that). His commentary is a complete disaster there.
"What is the name of that healing lady?" "I think he cleansed out of Urgot's ulti"
And this was after so many months of casting LoL. Not to mention he kept interrupting other commentators who actually had knowledge about the game..
It's just as outrageous as Moletrap saying PDD intercepts marine shots after 2 years of casting SC2. Dunno how such an unprofessional person is still hired.
Doa is the most pretentious caster I've ever seen. When paired with a analytical caster, he's not that obnoxious and stays out of the way.
Some companies are completely not in touch with the gamers who are actually playing the game.
On August 28 2012 04:16 iGoTThiZ wrote: Off with his head! jk. Them hiring Moletrap tells me two things. They either did a 0% background check on on him and how liked he is by the community, or they couldn't find another caster with a name who would be willing to commit to Korea. I am mostly leaning towards the second one since most of the casters are jumping back and forth for tournaments.
I agree with you. They should have did what gsl did, which was accept applications and brew their own casters if they couldn't find a big name. Moletrap is considered below average and the chances good for someone to be better. The doa and moletrap combo is going to be bad. High level gameplay with low level insight. I don't think it will work... no offense to them. If they alternate with another person, it might be ok.
I would love to see maybe Axslav or some other pro make the switch to be caster for this. If they could have picked a big name caster, Apollo would have been amazing.
On August 28 2012 05:27 Micket wrote: I think moletrap solo cast is what brings out the best of moletrap.
Me too. At one point in BW moletrap was one of the only casters I watched at sc2gg, since they always had english commentary of Proleague, or OSL and MSL with NukeTheStars and RanshinDA. I knew of teamliquid for 6 months but I never saw anything for english casted games so I just ignored this website.
Anyhow, I think Moletrap is a good solo caster, yes he misses somethings, but I hope to see him cast OSL alone for a few days till Doa can get back on his feet and join Moletrap. Let's see what people think of Moletrap solo casting, it should be better then what most people think.
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
Yea, but... Moletrap. I know I won't be watching it because of him, if they managed to get, say, Sayle to cast with someone, I'd watch every minute of it.
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't 'So you Think you can Cast' or 'American Caster', homie. Moletrap is there, available, and has the experience. Even though plenty of people dislike him, relocating another caster would be too much of a hassle. Prime example: DoA.
I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
Yea, but... Moletrap. I know I won't be watching it because of him, if they managed to get, say, Sayle to cast with someone, I'd watch every minute of it.
If you're posting in this thread, then I bet you will watch. You just won't enjoy it as much as if Sayle was commentating. To OSL, that doesn't matter.
On August 28 2012 05:59 ragz_gt wrote: I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
I'm sorry, but Moletrap as an analyst? I like Moletrap but he is not an analyst, not even close.
I don't get why so many people hate on mole trap. Generally he's a pretty good commentator. The only annoying thing is when he gets so excited his voice goes into the stratosphere, which is cancelled out by temporarily muting the stream.
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
Yea, but... Moletrap. I know I won't be watching it because of him, if they managed to get, say, Sayle to cast with someone, I'd watch every minute of it.
If you're posting in this thread, then I bet you will watch. You just won't enjoy it as much as if Sayle was commentating. To OSL, that doesn't matter.
If people weren't given the option, they probably would suffer through (or mute), but there is always the option of the Korean cast. I would much rather listen to a language that I can only half understand than listen to Moletraps voicecracking screams that make the entire thing unenjoyable.
On August 28 2012 05:59 ragz_gt wrote: I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
I'm sorry, but Moletrap as an analyst? I like Moletrap but he is not an analyst, not even close.
I know, but he is a better analyst than play-by-play. At least he would sounds analytic, it's not like there are many analysts who are right more than half the time or that people care.
On August 28 2012 05:59 ragz_gt wrote: I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
I'm sorry, but Moletrap as an analyst? I like Moletrap but he is not an analyst, not even close.
I know, but he is a better analyst than play-by-play. At least he would sounds analytic, it's not like there are many analysts who are right more than half the time or that people care.
True enough. In any case I'll probably enjoy the OSL casts with Moletrap
On August 28 2012 05:51 Chill wrote: For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
Actually any time ive ever seen feedback about moletrap it was negative in terms of his casting ability but positive about his personality. Like he is a nice guy and he does provide a lot of content for us so far which is awesome. The thing is he gets things wrong a lot, he cuts across people and his voice is pretty annoying which all 3 of those things adds up to a poor experience. I will be either looking for someone else streaming commentary like Sayle or just muting the stream.
Side note I saw the interview with artosis thing on youtube and he proved he didn't really know much about the moba scene either with his quotes about HoN and he showed by what he said is a game he never played. I don't really respect anyone that shits all over anything without playing it or even doing research about it. (not speaking as a fan boy of HoN or anything I haven't played the game in a while myself but still its to be noted.)
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
Just for the record I am one of the presumably silent majority that extremely dislikes several aspects of his casting
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
Just for the record I am one of the presumably silent majority that extremely dislikes several aspects of his casting
But I'm from an even more silent, more major majority that is perfectly content to pleased with his casting.
see, Moletrap got me into sc when i was scanning through clips on youtube on the voltak account, i enjoy him as a color commentator but not as an analyst, i enjoy his casting and his recent interviews, i like constructive criticism guys but this is just cyber bulling Gratz to moletrap and i hope doa gets well soon
On August 28 2012 05:59 ragz_gt wrote: I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
I'm sorry, but Moletrap as an analyst? I like Moletrap but he is not an analyst, not even close.
I know, but he is a better analyst than play-by-play. At least he would sounds analytic, it's not like there are many analysts who are right more than half the time or that people care.
Ret tweeted a valid criticism about the level of casting for SC2 this weekend. It was awesome. Criticism of casters on TL usually results in warnings, so I was thrilled to see a professional player (and part of Team Liquid at that) ripping into casters for their lack of knowledge and blatant miss-calls.
Speaking to Ret's point, I don't think Moletrap will make this any better; rather, I think he will make it far worse. He is not at a level as a player to deliver high-level analysis. His vocal inflections, volume situation, etc., are up for debate as to how horrific or entertaining they are; his analytical ability is not.
We need charismatic, intelligent, knowledgeable casters who aren't looking to self-promote every three seconds or lay down another inept joke. We need casters who don't make ludicrous claims about X being ahead of Y, only to see Y crush them moments later because -- guess what? -- they were never ahead. We need the proper balance of explanation (for noobs) and high-level analysis (gas timings, build refinements, scouting reactions, etc) that keep the hardcore happy. I don't think very many casters provide the above, least of all Moletrap.
I assume Moletrap will be solo casting (maybe they'll get Torch to support him?), but it sounds like Doa may be out there soon anyway after his recovery. The games will be so good even if you don't like the casting it is worth watching. The fanboys out here are disgusting.
On August 28 2012 07:18 oOOoOphidian wrote: I assume Moletrap will be solo casting (maybe they'll get Torch to support him?), but it sounds like Doa may be out there soon anyway after his recovery. The games will be so good even if you don't like the casting it is worth watching. The fanboys out here are disgusting.
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
Just for the record I am one of the presumably silent majority that extremely dislikes several aspects of his casting
You posted here, that means you don't belong to the silent majority, sorry
Moletrap wouldn't be the first choice for me but thats mostly because i think splitting him between SC2 and LoL is a bad idea and taking him away from a position he does well in (LoL caster) would be equally bad. Time for dApollo to move to Korea and for TLO to switch to full time caster so TheLittleApollo can cast everything in Korea :p
On August 28 2012 05:59 ragz_gt wrote: I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
I'm sorry, but Moletrap as an analyst? I like Moletrap but he is not an analyst, not even close.
I know, but he is a better analyst than play-by-play. At least he would sounds analytic, it's not like there are many analysts who are right more than half the time or that people care.
Ret tweeted a valid criticism about the level of casting for SC2 this weekend. It was awesome. Criticism of casters on TL usually results in warnings, so I was thrilled to see a professional player (and part of Team Liquid at that) ripping into casters for their lack of knowledge and blatant miss-calls.
Speaking to Ret's point, I don't think Moletrap will make this any better; rather, I think he will make it far worse. He is not at a level as a player to deliver high-level analysis. His vocal inflections, volume situation, etc., are up for debate as to how horrific or entertaining they are; his analytical ability is not.
We need charismatic, intelligent, knowledgeable casters who aren't looking to self-promote every three seconds or lay down another inept joke. We need casters who don't make ludicrous claims about X being ahead of Y, only to see Y crush them moments later because -- guess what? -- they were never ahead. We need the proper balance of explanation (for noobs) and high-level analysis (gas timings, build refinements, scouting reactions, etc) that keep the hardcore happy. I don't think very many casters provide the above, least of all Moletrap.
Apollo and Artosis remain the crown jewels.
Did he post it or did he say something on his stream? I'm curious to hear what ret had to say.
On August 28 2012 05:59 ragz_gt wrote: I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
I'm sorry, but Moletrap as an analyst? I like Moletrap but he is not an analyst, not even close.
I know, but he is a better analyst than play-by-play. At least he would sounds analytic, it's not like there are many analysts who are right more than half the time or that people care.
Ret tweeted a valid criticism about the level of casting for SC2 this weekend. It was awesome. Criticism of casters on TL usually results in warnings, so I was thrilled to see a professional player (and part of Team Liquid at that) ripping into casters for their lack of knowledge and blatant miss-calls.
Speaking to Ret's point, I don't think Moletrap will make this any better; rather, I think he will make it far worse. He is not at a level as a player to deliver high-level analysis. His vocal inflections, volume situation, etc., are up for debate as to how horrific or entertaining they are; his analytical ability is not.
We need charismatic, intelligent, knowledgeable casters who aren't looking to self-promote every three seconds or lay down another inept joke. We need casters who don't make ludicrous claims about X being ahead of Y, only to see Y crush them moments later because -- guess what? -- they were never ahead. We need the proper balance of explanation (for noobs) and high-level analysis (gas timings, build refinements, scouting reactions, etc) that keep the hardcore happy. I don't think very many casters provide the above, least of all Moletrap.
Apollo and Artosis remain the crown jewels.
Another reason to follow @liquidret.
But ontopic: Pity doa can't be there. Last time heard moletrap cast sc2, i didn't really like it. But he might have changed, i might have changed. Why not give it a chance? In worst case: let's hope demuslim streams..
On August 28 2012 05:59 ragz_gt wrote: I love Moletrap, and he produce content, which is always better than no content. I think he can do a good job as analyst, paired with a play-by-play guy such as DoA. But the idea of him solo-casting doesn't generate a ton of excitement.
I'm sorry, but Moletrap as an analyst? I like Moletrap but he is not an analyst, not even close.
I know, but he is a better analyst than play-by-play. At least he would sounds analytic, it's not like there are many analysts who are right more than half the time or that people care.
Ret tweeted a valid criticism about the level of casting for SC2 this weekend. It was awesome. Criticism of casters on TL usually results in warnings, so I was thrilled to see a professional player (and part of Team Liquid at that) ripping into casters for their lack of knowledge and blatant miss-calls.
Speaking to Ret's point, I don't think Moletrap will make this any better; rather, I think he will make it far worse. He is not at a level as a player to deliver high-level analysis. His vocal inflections, volume situation, etc., are up for debate as to how horrific or entertaining they are; his analytical ability is not.
We need charismatic, intelligent, knowledgeable casters who aren't looking to self-promote every three seconds or lay down another inept joke. We need casters who don't make ludicrous claims about X being ahead of Y, only to see Y crush them moments later because -- guess what? -- they were never ahead. We need the proper balance of explanation (for noobs) and high-level analysis (gas timings, build refinements, scouting reactions, etc) that keep the hardcore happy. I don't think very many casters provide the above, least of all Moletrap.
Apollo and Artosis remain the crown jewels.
Did he post it or did he say something on his stream? I'm curious to hear what ret had to say.
It came in three tweets:
Jos de Kroon@LiquidRet
I hate to be the one to bitch about this again but commentators missing all the nuances that make sc2 such a beautifull game....
It makes the game seem dull, boring, and random when commentators dont know whats going on and the spectactor just sees random battles
if u count the amount of times that casters say someone is ahead and then gets crushed b/c they dont understand.. whats the viewer to think?
Honestly I wouldn't mind having moletrap casting solo for now. Also he has a lost of history knowledge about KESPA players so seeing him cast the OSL seems fine.
On August 28 2012 05:40 Pwnographics wrote: Are these caster jobs just given out or do casters apply for them?
Can the community have a choice on who we'd rather listen to?
This isn't how business works.
And I think you're overlooking how difficult it would be to convince someone to move to Korea and get the necessary visas. I think you're also overestimating how many extra views a tournament would get if they chose one commentator over the other.
For the majority of people, Moletrap is a great commentator. Keep in mind that all the people posting in this thread combined likely represent a tiny fraction of the daily viewership.
I usually do have that feeling that the minority of the people can make it seem like they are the majority when it comes to thread posting and such. For example, Husky would get a lot of flak but you just get that feeling he has way more followers than haters. But with Moletrap, I'm not convinced this is the case. What if someone was really unpopular, any hordes of people complaining can't really mean the opposite all the time.
But even if he was "good", I'm more worried about his game knowledge because people are so used to Artosis casting GSL, the other Korean league with some of the best players. There's some sort of expectations since it's going to be a "premier" league of starcraft. Moletrap and doa casted GSL before but it was code A, so I think it was ok-ish.
If people are overestimating how many extra viewers a tournament gets when one chooses one commentator over the other, then why don't most leagues cast cheaper and less known casters for their tournaments?
If them choosing Moletrap because of visas and having to convince someone else to move to Korea, then so be it. But I think there would be some takers that would bite on the opportunity to; they might be unknown but they would probably love the chance to break through.
Moletrap did well in BW (I wonder if like *Tasteless, he lost his passion because he isn't as interested in SC2 [seeing protoss death balls over and over can do that to people]). He has the potential to do good in SC2 too (it also helps he knows a lot about BW's players).
*Also a joke before anyone says anything... or has Tasteless really lost his passion!!!? Or is Tasteless secretly practicing to be the next zerg bonjwa?
Someone should get Artosis or Wolf to help Moletrap out.
Edit - Also an interesting thing to note is Moletrap (when co casting with Diggity, Klazart, or even the other BW players) rarely interrupted them (when he did, he said sorry). (There is a video on youtube somewhere, it's one of the games has co casted in but I forgot which one. I'll try to look for it sometime later.)
I really do find it odd. I blame SC2 Protoss death balls for this.
I don't think moletrap is a good enough SC2 caster to be casting the most prestigious SC tournament in history by himself. OGN is competing with GSL as the premier SC2 league, and GSL has Tasteosis. Moletrap isn't anywhere near that level.
You could argue like Chill that the majority of people really like Moletrap and think his casting is great and that the criticism is a vocal minority. I don't think that's the case with Moletrap. The vocal minority in this case are the people who really enjoy his casting.
I hope in the future there are Korean streams available that are easier to connect to. The VLC one rarely connects and when it does sometimes it randomly kicks you off, and the auction one lags a lot.
I mean, I was really disappointed with the OSL today. I had to watch my two favorite terrans right now play muted because I can't stand the have the action ruined by:
"X player is winning!" "no wait, Y player is winning!" "oh, never mind, looks like player X is winning again!" "the game will probably be over soon since X player is at the advantage!" "these marauders are doing damage!" "Y player wins after a decisive engagement, GG!"
It's the round of 16! To quote day9, what is that thing your mother or your girlfriend always asks you when she tries to feign interest in Starcraft? It's "hey, are you winning?" And you get angry every time she asks that because that's not how shit works in this game.
I thought OGN had enough money to afford real casters....
LOL
Seriously though I don't get how they can continue working. Perhaps it is just luck that they cast in a country where most can't understand them fully. I really don't like how they cast. Missing the obvious all the time. Sure some casters miss somethings even Tastosis. Then the negativity, they don't point out plays in the right fashion. Instead of pointing out X did a great flank and stim on mutalisks they say "OMG that zerg is so terrible he just lost his mutas," when everyone can clearly see the mutas had no escape path. They routinely do a poor job, but I guess because there isn't anything pitchfork worthy, they'll keep casting, and I'll keep muting my streams.
On August 28 2012 22:49 stjartrov wrote: At the end of the broadcast of todays OSL games the ogn_star2 account wrote in the chat that they were still talking to both DoA and Grubby.
Grubby going into serious casting?
Wow, that's really exciting to hear! I'd love it if they got Grubby to cast—he offers so much insight and personally I think he has an excellent voice as well.
On August 28 2012 22:49 stjartrov wrote: At the end of the broadcast of todays OSL games the ogn_star2 account wrote in the chat that they were still talking to both DoA and Grubby.
Grubby going into serious casting?
this would be the be all end all
grubby is easily in the top 5 casters. SO funny, still super sharp on the game since he plays at a high level.
On August 28 2012 22:49 stjartrov wrote: At the end of the broadcast of todays OSL games the ogn_star2 account wrote in the chat that they were still talking to both DoA and Grubby.
Grubby going into serious casting?
this would be the be all end all
grubby is easily in the top 5 casters. SO funny, still super sharp on the game since he plays at a high level.
grubby is the best.
Time and time again I have expressed my fanatical love for Grubby's grandmaster-mega-ultra-transcendental use of English. To have him as a permanent caster somewhere would cause me to tune in, regardless of the games, just to hear him deftly traverse the language.
On August 28 2012 22:49 stjartrov wrote: At the end of the broadcast of todays OSL games the ogn_star2 account wrote in the chat that they were still talking to both DoA and Grubby.
Grubby going into serious casting?
this would be the be all end all
grubby is easily in the top 5 casters. SO funny, still super sharp on the game since he plays at a high level.
grubby is the best.
Time and time again I have expressed my fanatical love for Grubby's grandmaster-mega-ultra-transcendental use of English. To have him as a permanent caster somewhere would cause me to tune in, regardless of the games, just to hear him deftly traverse the language.
He is indeed quite adept in English, even if it isn't his first language. I actually really enjoy listening to his casting as well ^^
On August 28 2012 22:49 stjartrov wrote: At the end of the broadcast of todays OSL games the ogn_star2 account wrote in the chat that they were still talking to both DoA and Grubby.
Grubby going into serious casting?
this would be the be all end all
grubby is easily in the top 5 casters. SO funny, still super sharp on the game since he plays at a high level.
grubby is the best.
Time and time again I have expressed my fanatical love for Grubby's grandmaster-mega-ultra-transcendental use of English. To have him as a permanent caster somewhere would cause me to tune in, regardless of the games, just to hear him deftly traverse the language.
He is indeed quite adept in English, even if it isn't his first language. I actually really enjoy listening to his casting as well ^^
His from The Netherlands, they speak better english than anyone, same with Rotterdam, except his accent is just different, but he speaks perfect english.
If you ever wondered what those Korean casters are saying, the closest comparison would be Sayle. They spend most of their time trolling the players, speculating builds, and joking around. Since there are three of them, it's like Sayle x3. They just have good chemistry.
Clone Sayle and bring them to Korea... NAOOOOOOOO!!!
On August 28 2012 22:49 stjartrov wrote: At the end of the broadcast of todays OSL games the ogn_star2 account wrote in the chat that they were still talking to both DoA and Grubby.
Grubby going into serious casting?
this would be the be all end all
grubby is easily in the top 5 casters. SO funny, still super sharp on the game since he plays at a high level.
grubby is the best.
Time and time again I have expressed my fanatical love for Grubby's grandmaster-mega-ultra-transcendental use of English. To have him as a permanent caster somewhere would cause me to tune in, regardless of the games, just to hear him deftly traverse the language.
He is indeed quite adept in English, even if it isn't his first language. I actually really enjoy listening to his casting as well ^^
His from The Netherlands, they speak better english than anyone, same with Rotterdam, except his accent is just different, but he speaks perfect english.
Grubby is fantastic, but Rotterdam has some english language flaws completely unrelated to his accent.
On August 28 2012 22:34 NoobSkills wrote: Then the negativity, they don't point out plays in the right fashion. Instead of pointing out X did a great flank and stim on mutalisks they say "OMG that zerg is so terrible he just lost his mutas," when everyone can clearly see the mutas had no escape path. They routinely do a poor job, but I guess because there isn't anything pitchfork worthy, they'll keep casting, and I'll keep muting my streams.
Did you watch the OSL cast with Moletrap yesterday?
He did not say anything negative at all (in fact, in the game where Baby was losing badly, he didn't even say anything negative related to him but praised both players when they attempted to do anything).
On August 28 2012 09:14 Antisocialmunky wrote: I miss Diggity... I wish he'd cast OSL.
*Hug*
Diggity/Moletrap combo would be sick.
I agree. I said this before in another page but interesting fact - Moletrap rarely interrupted anyone (if he did, he asked first if it was okay) and was more knowledgeable in BW than in SC2.
Now, some may not like Moletrap even in BW but the majority liked him and was at least fine with him (better in co casts because he did well).
I guess Moletrap isn't as interested in SC2 as in BW which is a bit disappointing. I want Moletrap to succeed. I do hope he tries to get into SC2 more to become a better caster.
He has the potential as seen in BW (and he did fine in BW).
Maybe one reason is that all of Moletrap's old co casters from BW are gone, so he's in new territory with new people (maybe uncomfortable for him). Though, I don't really know. I do wish things go well for him in the future and that he can improve so that we can see BW Moletrap except in SC2 (maybe more better too).
Also here's Moletrap and Klazart casting that infamous MSL Flash vs Jaedong Finals:
(Also Moletrap's thought on Jaedong given the win at around 24 minutes and 30 seconds. Basically he understands and makes the point it would have been unfair to Jaedong too if they did a rematch [in any case, it's a lose lose all around as it's hard to make the right calls].)
As you can see in the video (they start talking about the game instead of the players a minute in), Moletrap is much better in BW than in SC2 (especially with co casting).
Again, I hope somehow the old BW Moletrap returns (someone get Moletrap and Tasteless together so they can restore their passion!!!11).
Yeah.... really sad to hear this news. I support Doa/Moletrap in their eSports ventures, but I don't like that they are casting my favorite events, because I don't like their casting =/ Especially Moletrap, but Doa is fine. Anyways, they have they feet planted in Korea, so this news was very much expected. Doa casting OSL was announced a long time ago too.
On August 29 2012 11:16 DaCheF wrote: Where can I find the vods of OSL? Is it like GSL where there is a site and you pay for the vods? Does OSL have a english site?
On August 29 2012 11:16 DaCheF wrote: Where can I find the vods of OSL? Is it like GSL where there is a site and you pay for the vods? Does OSL have a english site?
I like both Doa and Moletrap generally but I agree that they didn't have the best synergy. Doa likes to tell jokes but Moletrap isn't a laugher, so often the banter suffers. Even corny jokes can be funny if the co-caster is cracking up. Bitter and Rotterdam are very good because of their chemistry; they frequently repeat the same unit-related jokes (viking pilots are Tom Cruise, etc.), but I still find myself chuckling because they sell the joke and clearly find it funny themselves. In terms of game knowledge, even if you're calling fights wrong or don't know the exact speed of a unit, I'm usually not too annoyed unless you're frequently wrong and you're criticizing a player's decision making or play. If you're going to be critical you better be right about just about everything you say. Nothing gets me angrier than a caster who's critical and uninformed. Moletrap isn't the most knowledgeable but he's not overly critical either so his B-league level knowledge doesn't bother me.
On August 29 2012 11:16 DaCheF wrote: Where can I find the vods of OSL? Is it like GSL where there is a site and you pay for the vods? Does OSL have a english site?
Try Moletrap's youtube channel.
Nope, he doesn't have any of the vods uploaded. But you can find him here (Wiki2)2012 Auction All-Kill OnGameNet Starleague VODS
Look 2 post before me you can see the link. I don't know how to make that a working link -______-
On August 29 2012 11:16 DaCheF wrote: Where can I find the vods of OSL? Is it like GSL where there is a site and you pay for the vods? Does OSL have a english site?
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