No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 91

On August 26 2012 14:07 TheAmazombie wrote:


That is fine, but that is really not the issue I feel. How many players, per team, per match, are playing in PL? A max of 7. There are plenty of players that could still go. There are times in GSTL when not all of the players are there for a match, some are at DreamHack, some are at MLG, whatever. The issue at heart is KeSPAs demand to control their players and the rights of those players.

I am not saying that I agree that they weren't busy, but I still disagree with the lack of player's rights in the matter. I am tired of people talking about how KeSPA is fine to control their players because they give some of them money, room, board, and food. That sounds a lot like indentured servitude in some cases...which we as Westerners generally find abhorrent.

I am just tired of talking, debating, and arguing about this. The fact remains that hardly any of us know what it is really like or have any idea how it would turn out if ESF backed down, if KeSPA backed down, or whatever. We are speculating our hearts out and I am tired of it myself. I support the ESFs decision because to me they wouldn't have done it if they didn't feel it necessary. I hope things turn out good in the end for both the players and the sport.

On August 25 2012 03:56 VManOfMana wrote:


Were you around when the GOM classic was cancelled? Players *were* overworked. Players were still overworked even without GOM classic, leading to changes on PL, OSL and MSL schedules. There is a reason why Flash was called "Child Labor Terran" and Jaedong Oz became a meme.

I give KeSPA the benefit of the doubt because I truly believe the best thing for eSports is to develop without interference of the game developers, avoiding a conflict of interest between providing the best competition and selling the most profitable game.

Up to this point, KeSPA is the only entity that has managed to do so in a prolonged, sustainable way. It's not perfect, but sure is a more solid foundation to build on than the current Starcraft II scene. Players like Flash wouldn't get the top-class treatment he got. Jaedong, Sea and Baby would be jobless and scraping to get by after WeMade and Hwaseung left. Violet would not get the same treatment for leukemia while still being a registered progamer with a contract. It is true that not everybody gets the same treatment and benefits, but its something *possible* with hard work and dedication, while *impossible* anywhere else.

I do have a problem with people acting as if eSports started with Blizzard blessing the masses with Starcraft II. People here need to realize that KeSPA is entitled to do whatever is better for the business they have developed for all these years. The prestige of PL, OSL and its players were not developed overnight, and it is their right to protect it while expanding to new markets with a well-planned strategy (see MGL negotiations.) The "huge" international scene this forum and reddit gloat so much about still doesn't have a sustainable model because people is not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Why should KeSPA be obligated to operate the same way? It's like going back to the days of 4U, POS snd G.O., except with a lot of makeup and under the dictatorship of Blizzard.

On August 26 2012 17:16 blue_blood wrote:
And one note to add: it is NOT KeSPA that pays wages and provides room&board to the players. It is the sponser of (or usually, the owner of) the team (for example, KT, SKT, Samsung, etc.) that pays wages and provides room & board to the players. Nor does KeSPA provides any fund for running the proleague teams. The only thing KeSPA does is to collect broadcast fees from Ongamenet and use them on "projects" that KeSPA refuses to reveal in the form of annual report. (Note: during KeSPA vs. Blizzard case, KeSPA was asked to reveal its annual report by the court order. KeSPA refused.) In fact, both the Starleague and Proleague are run mostly out of Ongamenet and the sponsor's money, and it is entirely Ongamenet's responsibility to organize the event, and KeSPA only provides referees that don't know what to do in times of trouble.

On August 26 2012 18:07 raga4ka wrote:


I thought Kespa was made from the sponsors of each team ? I read it here on TL somewhere . Isn't Kespa a combined board of directors from each sponsor ?

On August 26 2012 18:07 raga4ka wrote:


I thought Kespa was made from the sponsors of each team ? I read it here on TL somewhere . Isn't Kespa a combined board of directors from each sponsor ?