No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 90

On August 24 2012 23:23 ZasZ. wrote:


For some reason you're giving KeSPA the benefit of the doubt. I'm not sure what they've done to deserve that sort of treatment from anyone, but we have a right to be suspicious. Them precluding players from the GSL hurts everyone (including the players) except for KeSPA, which is pretty much par for the course for them.

They need to realize that they are not invincible like in BW, and that their players are not the best players out there (yet). A little humility would be nice.

On August 24 2012 17:28 anrimayu wrote:
Well, the Federation decided to keep the GSL players, Nestea, MVP, MC, Parting, San, DRG, and MKP, from playing in the OSL until Kespa stop being greedy assholes to fuck over esports.

On August 25 2012 04:19 yungSC2 wrote:


lol, what about Oz? I guess he is really happy to finally play in OSL, that he didnt give a shit :D

On August 25 2012 03:56 VManOfMana wrote:


Were you around when the GOM classic was cancelled? Players *were* overworked. Players were still overworked even without GOM classic, leading to changes on PL, OSL and MSL schedules. There is a reason why Flash was called "Child Labor Terran" and Jaedong Oz became a meme.

I give KeSPA the benefit of the doubt because I truly believe the best thing for eSports is to develop without interference of the game developers, avoiding a conflict of interest between providing the best competition and selling the most profitable game.

Up to this point, KeSPA is the only entity that has managed to do so in a prolonged, sustainable way. It's not perfect, but sure is a more solid foundation to build on than the current Starcraft II scene. Players like Flash wouldn't get the top-class treatment he got. Jaedong, Sea and Baby would be jobless and scraping to get by after WeMade and Hwaseung left. Violet would not get the same treatment for leukemia while still being a registered progamer with a contract. It is true that not everybody gets the same treatment and benefits, but its something *possible* with hard work and dedication, while *impossible* anywhere else.

I do have a problem with people acting as if eSports started with Blizzard blessing the masses with Starcraft II. People here need to realize that KeSPA is entitled to do whatever is better for the business they have developed for all these years. The prestige of PL, OSL and its players were not developed overnight, and it is their right to protect it while expanding to new markets with a well-planned strategy (see MGL negotiations.) The "huge" international scene this forum and reddit gloat so much about still doesn't have a sustainable model because people is not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Why should KeSPA be obligated to operate the same way? It's like going back to the days of 4U, POS snd G.O., except with a lot of makeup and under the dictatorship of Blizzard.

On August 25 2012 01:38 ShObiT wrote:
Kespa Agreed with all this just to get the license to use SC2 in their league, wich in the past only GOMTV was allowed, GOMTV shoul´ve charged money to kespa, but they were too good, and Kespa does not deserve that.

On August 25 2012 05:19 sam05396 wrote:

i dont think gom had the power to charge another league for sc2 rights

On August 25 2012 05:27 ShakAttaK wrote:

Correct. Just cause they had the rights which were granted to them by Blizzard doesn't mean it gives them the power to fine other leagues, thats up to blizzard since its their property.

On August 25 2012 05:30 TommyP wrote:
MKP can travel to MLG this weekend and then fly back to korea and play in his match on Tuesday or Wednesday for OSL but Kespa players can play one match a week in Seoul?

On August 24 2012 23:17 VManOfMana wrote:


So in other words, this thread is greatly fueled by Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

GOM: KeSPA won't join season 4. Such dicks.
KESPA ARE DICKS!
KeSPA: season 4 is a no go, our schedule is planned for this season.
FUCK KESPA!
KeSPA: but we are joining season 5.
OMG WE DID IT *pats in the back*

Can't you see what's wrong with all this?

On August 25 2012 05:02 tranmillitary wrote:


Over worked?? how many hours did they play??

Over here in Canada, we have 40 hour work weeks. Work. They are playing a video game. If i added up my work and video games during the week, i would have close to 70 to 80 hours.

They are playing a video game. Not drilling for oil. Not underwater welding, crab fishing. Those guys work 12 hour days 7 days a week, and a chance to die every day. Video games. I can't stress that enough

On August 25 2012 03:56 VManOfMana wrote:


Were you around when the GOM classic was cancelled? Players *were* overworked. Players were still overworked even without GOM classic, leading to changes on PL, OSL and MSL schedules. There is a reason why Flash was called "Child Labor Terran" and Jaedong Oz became a meme.

I give KeSPA the benefit of the doubt because I truly believe the best thing for eSports is to develop without interference of the game developers, avoiding a conflict of interest between providing the best competition and selling the most profitable game.

Up to this point, KeSPA is the only entity that has managed to do so in a prolonged, sustainable way. It's not perfect, but sure is a more solid foundation to build on than the current Starcraft II scene. Players like Flash wouldn't get the top-class treatment he got. Jaedong, Sea and Baby would be jobless and scraping to get by after WeMade and Hwaseung left. Violet would not get the same treatment for leukemia while still being a registered progamer with a contract. It is true that not everybody gets the same treatment and benefits, but its something *possible* with hard work and dedication, while *impossible* anywhere else.

I do have a problem with people acting as if eSports started with Blizzard blessing the masses with Starcraft II. People here need to realize that KeSPA is entitled to do whatever is better for the business they have developed for all these years. The prestige of PL, OSL and its players were not developed overnight, and it is their right to protect it while expanding to new markets with a well-planned strategy (see MGL negotiations.) The "huge" international scene this forum and reddit gloat so much about still doesn't have a sustainable model because people is not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Why should KeSPA be obligated to operate the same way? It's like going back to the days of 4U, POS snd G.O., except with a lot of makeup and under the dictatorship of Blizzard.

On August 25 2012 03:56 VManOfMana wrote:


Were you around when the GOM classic was cancelled? Players *were* overworked. Players were still overworked even without GOM classic, leading to changes on PL, OSL and MSL schedules. There is a reason why Flash was called "Child Labor Terran" and Jaedong Oz became a meme.

I give KeSPA the benefit of the doubt because I truly believe the best thing for eSports is to develop without interference of the game developers, avoiding a conflict of interest between providing the best competition and selling the most profitable game.

Up to this point, KeSPA is the only entity that has managed to do so in a prolonged, sustainable way. It's not perfect, but sure is a more solid foundation to build on than the current Starcraft II scene. Players like Flash wouldn't get the top-class treatment he got. Jaedong, Sea and Baby would be jobless and scraping to get by after WeMade and Hwaseung left. Violet would not get the same treatment for leukemia while still being a registered progamer with a contract. It is true that not everybody gets the same treatment and benefits, but its something *possible* with hard work and dedication, while *impossible* anywhere else.

I do have a problem with people acting as if eSports started with Blizzard blessing the masses with Starcraft II. People here need to realize that KeSPA is entitled to do whatever is better for the business they have developed for all these years. The prestige of PL, OSL and its players were not developed overnight, and it is their right to protect it while expanding to new markets with a well-planned strategy (see MGL negotiations.) The "huge" international scene this forum and reddit gloat so much about still doesn't have a sustainable model because people is not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Why should KeSPA be obligated to operate the same way? It's like going back to the days of 4U, POS snd G.O., except with a lot of makeup and under the dictatorship of Blizzard.