EPTDoesn't matter so much anyway, things will sort themselves out. SC2's situation is widely incomparable to the one of BW at the same stage (about 2years after release), SC2 is way too international and important to be KespA-ized.
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FATJESUSONABIKE
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Doesn't matter so much anyway, things will sort themselves out. SC2's situation is widely incomparable to the one of BW at the same stage (about 2years after release), SC2 is way too international and important to be KespA-ized. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On August 26 2012 18:31 danbel1005 wrote: Oh my, this is so Kespa ^^. They're not helping at all with anything at this point, they just want to do what they want, when they want, the way they want...such lame atitude wont do us any good, how is it possible that they still dont understand this. I wonder what that "big project" is. Common Kespa stop being so childish, it seems like they are afraid or something. Yes they are afraid of losing. And ESF just forced KeSPA players to play so that they would win over BW legends for once when they still could. Such nice attitude of ESF players. (I'm being sarcastic of course. But really ESF has no reason to tell KeSPA which tournamnet to play. I suggest ESF focus on its business and let KeSPA take care of its.) | ||
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13JackaL
United States577 Posts
On August 26 2012 18:41 chisuri wrote: Yes they are afraid of losing. And ESF just forced KeSPA players to play so that they would win over BW legends for once when they still could. Such nice attitude of ESF players. (I'm being sarcastic of course. But really ESF has no reason to tell KeSPA which tournamnet to play. I suggest ESF focus on its business and let KeSPA take care of its.) ESF doesnt have a reason to tell KeSPA players what to play, but the KeSPA players should be able to choose whether or not they can compete in other events. If KeSPA wasn't trying to have everything their way we wouldn't need to boycott them. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On August 26 2012 18:45 13JackaL wrote: ESF doesnt have a reason to tell KeSPA players what to play, but the KeSPA players should be able to choose whether or not they can compete in other events. If KeSPA wasn't trying to have everything their way we wouldn't need to boycott them. The players have all the rights on earth to do whatever they want. They can walk out of the house right now if they dare to. Do you know Effort? That guy won the OSL Korean Air Season 1 over Flash and demanded a raise in salary afterward. CJ Entus refused his request and he left the team. I think it shows that you can leave KeSPA teams whenever you want. It's just that you will regret it, like Effort did, and will beg them to allow you to comeback, once again just like Effort did. | ||
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Tossi83
Poland24 Posts
On August 26 2012 18:41 chisuri wrote: Yes they are afraid of losing. And ESF just forced KeSPA players to play so that they would win over BW legends for once when they still could. Such nice attitude of ESF players. (I'm being sarcastic of course. But really ESF has no reason to tell KeSPA which tournamnet to play. I suggest ESF focus on its business and let KeSPA take care of its.) I do wonder how did you conclude it. And not only that, I also wonder how can you have some facts so wrong. You really just made yourself stink like a troll. The problem isn't KeSPA players not participating. Problems are: - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL even tho they made everyone think they would, fans thought KeSPA will participate, ESF thought KeSPA will participate, KeSPA players thought KeSPA will participate, GOM thought KeSPA will participate, Blizzard thought KeSPA will participate. - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL even tho KeSPA players wished to participate. - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL even tho they made an agreement earlier this year they would cooperate. - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL and gave a lame excuse that almost noone believes. I don't think there would be any ruckus if KeSPA allowed their players to participate in GSL but then players would say "Sry but I want to train and get better before I enter it" or "I am too busy right now with other tournaments" or "I need to help my teammates prepare for their tournaments". | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 26 2012 14:07 TheAmazombie wrote: I am not saying that I agree that they weren't busy, but I still disagree with the lack of player's rights in the matter. I am tired of people talking about how KeSPA is fine to control their players because they give some of them money, room, board, and food. That sounds a lot like indentured servitude in some cases...which we as Westerners generally find abhorrent. I have no idea what planet "you Westerners" are from, but on pretty much the entirety of the planet I live in, people don't normally get to do whatever they want during work hours. They don't get to choose how they spend the time they're being paid to work. It's not "fine" for the team to manage their players' time, it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Can a developer at Microsoft stop working on his assigned duties and start programming a game he thought of during the lunch break and keep his job? Can a football player disappear in the middle of the season because he feels like playing in Zimbabwe for a few months is a good idea and keep his job? Likewise, SKT's player's JOB is training for Proleague and the team's goal is winning Proleague. If the team staff decides there's no time to do anything else, then they're not going to do anything else, period. It's mind boggling that people are even questioning something as natural as that, it's just... crazy. Just because SC2 teams you're used to are in the stone age in terms of hierarchy, structure and organization (to the point that they're hardly fit to even be called "teams", they're sponsored clans at best), doesn't justify demanding that everyone should stoop down to the level that Starcraft scene in Korea has outgrown a decade ago. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:11 monkybone wrote: Yes, and why did Effort need to go back? Because Kespa is denying the surrounding infrastructure in order for there to be competition, i.e. teams competing for players. This is the difference. What players can do is not only their rights, but also their options. When rights are not denied, the options are. Now the players have GSL and ESF to choose. Why haven't they left already? In each sport there is only one governing body. It's like that everywhere. Don't blame KeSPA because its way of conducting e-Sport worked so well that the competitions died. Are you telling me that FIFA should die because if a football player isn't a FIFA players he won't be able to play professional football at all and that's dictatorship? | ||
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titan55
United States227 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:13 Talin wrote: I have no idea what planet "you Westerners" are from, but on pretty much the entirety of the planet I live in, people don't normally get to do whatever they want during work hours. They don't get to choose how they spend the time they're being paid to work. It's not "fine" for the team to manage their players' time, it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Can a developer at Microsoft stop working on his assigned duties and start programming a game he thought of during the lunch break and keep his job? Can a football player disappear in the middle of the season because he feels like playing in Zimbabwe for a few months is a good idea and keep his job? Likewise, SKT's player's JOB is training for Proleague and the team's goal is winning Proleague. If the team staff decides there's no time to do anything else, then they're not going to do anything else, period. It's mind boggling that people are even questioning something as natural as that, it's just... crazy. Just because SC2 teams you're used to are in the stone age in terms of hierarchy, structure and organization (to the point that they're hardly fit to even be called "teams", they're sponsored clans at best), doesn't justify demanding that everyone should stoop down to the level that Starcraft scene in Korea has outgrown a decade ago. Exactly this to all the westerner's being appalled. Don't be ignorant and naive, people don't get that much choice when it comes to work and pay | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:13 Talin wrote: I have no idea what planet "you Westerners" are from, but on pretty much the entirety of the planet I live in, people don't normally get to do whatever they want during work hours. They don't get to choose how they spend the time they're being paid to work. It's not "fine" for the team to manage their players' time, it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Can a developer at Microsoft stop working on his assigned duties and start programming a game he thought of during the lunch break and keep his job? Can a football player disappear in the middle of the season because he feels like playing in Zimbabwe for a few months is a good idea and keep his job? Likewise, SKT's player's JOB is training for Proleague and the team's goal is winning Proleague. If the team staff decides there's no time to do anything else, then they're not going to do anything else, period. It's mind boggling that people are even questioning something as natural as that, it's just... crazy. Just because SC2 teams you're used to are in the stone age in terms of hierarchy, structure and organization (to the point that they're hardly fit to even be called "teams", they're just sponsored clans), doesn't justify demanding that everyone should stoop down to the level that Starcraft scene in Korea has outgrown a decade ago. LoL. I understand that, but, based on what everyone, including people that have lived it say, working on a KeSPA pro-team is NOT a normal job at Microsoft or playing on a football team. That is the basis of that assumption. There is no reason to get insulting about it. I am also assuming that the people that have worked for KeSPA (quite a number of Korean SC2 progamers) and others (Idra) are not lying when they talk about not wanting to support KeSPA or not wanting them back in the scene. If it was just a normal job, then what is the problem?? I do agree that the Korean and foreign teams should have more structure, but, again, based on what we know of KeSPA teams, they seem to have too much from my point of view. If I worked for a company that controlled me the way that they seem to control their players, I would find a different job (or team.) I think that somewhere there should be a middle ground between the old model (KeSPA) and the newer model that will be both effective in training, and where players will not feel like they are working in sweat shops. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:05 Tossi83 wrote: I do wonder how did you conclude it. And not only that, I also wonder how can you have some facts so wrong. You really just made yourself stink like a troll. The problem isn't KeSPA players not participating. Problems are: - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL even tho they made everyone think they would, fans thought KeSPA will participate, ESF thought KeSPA will participate, KeSPA players thought KeSPA will participate, GOM thought KeSPA will participate, Blizzard thought KeSPA will participate. - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL even tho KeSPA players wished to participate. - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL even tho they made an agreement earlier this year they would cooperate. - KeSPA forbid every KeSPA player to participate in GSL and gave a lame excuse that almost noone believes. I don't think there would be any ruckus if KeSPA allowed their players to participate in GSL but then players would say "Sry but I want to train and get better before I enter it" or "I am too busy right now with other tournaments" or "I need to help my teammates prepare for their tournaments". Don't tell KeSPA or its players what to do. It's none of your business. And they are not slaves. They are staying in KeSPA because they want to do so. If they want to leave, the doors are wide open and so are ESF's arms. And I will say one more thing, in business, what other parties thought is none of one party's concern. Unless KeSPA did make some solid promises or contract, GSL and ESF would have no rights to react when KeSPA acted against their wills. All they do right now are trying to exploit their power to force KeSPA to give in doing their ways. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:21 TheAmazombie wrote: LoL. I understand that, but, based on what everyone, including people that have lived it say, working on a KeSPA pro-team is NOT a normal job at Microsoft or playing on a football team. That is the basis of that assumption. There is no reason to get insulting about it. Eh, why wouldn't it be a "normal job"? Because of the hours being invested? Obviously it's not "normal" in the sense that it is a non-standard job with non-standard work hours, but there are plenty of examples of other "non-normal" jobs as well. In fact, most sports-based jobs are the latter, and most are "sweat shops". Ultimately they do all follow the same rules, and these rules are defined in the contract. So what's normal and what isn't is hardly relevant. On August 26 2012 19:21 TheAmazombie wrote: I am also assuming that the people that have worked for KeSPA (quite a number of Korean SC2 progamers) and others (Idra) are not lying when they talk about not wanting to support KeSPA or not wanting them back in the scene. If it was just a normal job, then what is the problem?? Even in normal jobs, people don't always like their employer. In fact, disliking one's employer is probably a much more common sentiment. Obviously some players are happy with being rewarded with more money for less restrictions and less work, but that is only their point of view. If the Kespa players shared that point of view, they wouldn't be on the teams any more. In fact, the Kespa players that preferred the more free roaming SC2 way have left their teams and switched to SC2 years ago (like Idra). The fact that there are still players committed and signing new contracts with their teams means that there's something about their job that they value and are passionate about, something that they don't think they can get elsewhere. Or they're just really happy with the conditions and salary. Or both. On August 26 2012 19:21 TheAmazombie wrote: I also agree that the Korean teams should have more structure, but, again, based on what we know of KeSPA teams, they seem to have too much from my point of view. What exactly is "too much" from your point of view? The team doesn't need to explicitly forbid their players to compete in GSL (in fact I'm pretty sure this didn't even happen internally). They just need to come up with a schedule that doesn't leave the player enough time to practice or is booked up during their GSL match - a schedule that most players on playoff teams are likely to have anyway. Are you saying scheduling their players' time table is "too much"? Because that's a pretty fundamental / basic thing organizations need in order to actually have a structure and be able to work in a coherent way. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:21 monkybone wrote: I won't comment on FIFA because I don't know anything about it, but I'm pretty sure that when non-Kespa teams become more established, Kespa will change, or we'll see a pilgrimage from Kespa to these teams. Even if your predictions are right, it mean that KeSPA will die in the future. So let it be then, I guess? I suggest ESF players back up, finish their obligations with the tournament they agreed to participate in, and don't do anything with KeSPA afterward. That way KeSPA will die one day or they will have to change. Everyone's happy now? | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:29 Talin wrote: Eh, why wouldn't it be a "normal job"? Because of the hours being invested? Obviously it's not "normal" in the sense that it is a non-standard job with non-standard work hours, but there are plenty of examples of other "non-normal" jobs as well. Ultimately they do all follow the same rules, and these rules are defined in the contract. So what's normal and what isn't is hardly relevant. Even in normal jobs, people don't always like their employer. In fact, disliking one's employer is probably a much more common sentiment. Obviously some players are happy with being rewarded with more money for less restrictions and less work, but that is only their point of view. If the Kespa players shared that point of view, they wouldn't be on the teams any more. In fact, the Kespa players that preferred the more free roaming SC2 way have left their teams and switched to SC2 years ago (like Idra). The fact that there are still players committed and signing new contracts with their teams means that there's something about their job that they value and are passionate about, something that they don't think they can get elsewhere. What exactly is "too much" from your point of view? The team doesn't need to explicitly forbid their players to compete in GSL (in fact I'm pretty sure this didn't even happen internally). They just need to come up with a schedule that doesn't leave the player enough time to practice or is booked up during their GSL match. Are you saying scheduling their players' time table is "too much"? Because that's a pretty fundamental / basic thing organizations need in order to actually have a structure and be able to work in a coherent way. I think that for me the line is drawn at control of what seems to be their entire fame and celebrity. How often do you see KeSPA players streaming and earning extra cash that way? How often do you see the KeSPA players going out to fan meet and greets? It seems that it is more than just their practice and tourney schedule that they control. That is to me where it goes too far. Now, I know that not being allowed to stream and interact with fans constantly is the best way to maintain meta-game changes, strats, and skill levels and therefore may be the best way to win, but if being 100% about winning everything was the desired result, then why aren't all teams doing it? Why is it that the newer teams have adopted a different business model that players seem to prefer? If KeSPA's style is the best, then why did the foreign scene truly suffer until the more open model in SC2? We can disagree on the level of control, but I have a feeling that if KeSPA continues down their path, more players will leave them for other teams and the newer model. I also think that soon the newer teams will adopt a bit more strict model. I also think that the KeSPA players probably believe that KeSPA will change for the better, or more will leave when their contracts are up. I mean, who doesn't want to make some cash, fly the world, get adored by fans, and play a game? No, they would much rather sit in a room all day in Soeul and only do what they are told they can do, but make some more money as a trade off. That may be, I don't know, we are all basing everything that we know off assumptions and hearsay. I just can't think that they players and teams want the KeSPA model and won't take it even if it means more money. I think that if it were the case, then more people would be trying to get onto KeSPA teams. I don't know in the end what model or style is best, but I have only the team's and player's words to go on. If they think that the new system is better and we as fans enjoy the system as it is, then I tend to want to trust their opinions on the matter. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:47 TheAmazombie wrote: I think that for me the line is drawn at control of what seems to be their entire fame and celebrity. How often do you see KeSPA players streaming and earning extra cash that way? How often do you see the KeSPA players going out to fan meet and greets? It seems that it is more than just their practice and tourney schedule that they control. That is to me where it goes too far. Now, I know that not being allowed to stream and interact with fans constantly is the best way to maintain meta-game changes, strats, and skill levels and therefore may be the best way to win, but if being 100% about winning everything was the desired result, then why aren't all teams doing it? Why is it that the newer teams have adopted a different business model that players seem to prefer? If KeSPA's style is the best, then why did the foreign scene truly suffer until the more open model in SC2? The point is that players aren't paid to be celebrities or publicity figures. They're paid to train and play the game really, really well. The fame and celebrity status is a natural consequence for the players that succeed in that. The fan meet and greets happen quite often on matchdays. I would even say every time, but I'm not really sure about that. In any event, it's not that much of a rarity at all, plenty of TL members that were in Korea have attended them. As for the streaming, it would make no sense for them to stream. Not only is it a way for players to waste far too much time doing nothing, but even from a marketing standpoint having a player (over)exposed to the general audience that way and that much will reduce his general value. If people could have access to Bisu or Jaedong almost on a day-to-day basis and watch their play in first person view, they would lose much of their "aura" of power, presence, celebrity status, oomph, mojo, call it what you will. The financial benefits of streaming are generally low, especially considering that the players would be wasting time, time that they're being paid a much better salary to spend differently. The players who do stream often do so because they either need to promote themselves that way because they can't really do it any other way, they and their team depend on promoting their sponsors as much as possible, or a combination of the two. Either way, neither is really relevant to Kespa players. On August 26 2012 19:47 TheAmazombie wrote: but if being 100% about winning everything was the desired result, then why aren't all teams doing it? Why is it that the newer teams have adopted a different business model that players seem to prefer? If KeSPA's style is the best, then why did the foreign scene truly suffer until the more open model in SC2? Because western Starcraft and esports in general is a marketing gimmick where the game itself is secondary in all regards, whereas in Kespa-driven Korean Brood War it was an actual sport (which judging by thousands of comments that get posted daily on TL, everybody wants SC2 to be). In a sport, performance and success is everything to the teams, players and spectators, and players are paid to train and win, while the marketing side is built around that. In... whatever SC2 is, players are paid to be glorified salesmen, comedians, casters, personalities, bloggers, content producers, PR managers, actors, cosplayers and a variety of other roles that get them and the shirt they wear exposed to the camera, because that is what really matters and what drives the business model you speak of. You make it sound as the SC2 model is superior because it caught on in the west, but that definition of success is highly debatable. Korean Brood War (and Kespa) accomplished the essential idea of esports - turning a video game into something that is regarded as a sport in every way, in the way players approached it, in the way fans approached it, in the way teams and leagues operated, all of that was as you would expect from a sport. As a result, it was taken seriously and had committed long-term sponsors that took an active interest and part in growing the scene. Starcraft 2 (without Kespa) might be more global, but it's also nowhere near that same level, and it's being dragged away from that level exactly by the business model you suggest as more optimal. To bring it back to the original point, what the teams' goal is is up to the team. If the team was built to run that way, players joined the team under the contracts that they signed, then who is anyone to demand of them to do things differently? If a team wants to make performance and success their absolute #1 priority and players want to play on that team, they should be able to do what without being harassed in public. On August 26 2012 19:47 TheAmazombie wrote: That may be, I don't know, we are all basing everything that we know off assumptions and hearsay. I just can't think that they players and teams want the KeSPA model and won't take it even if it means more money. I think that if it were the case, then more people would be trying to get onto KeSPA teams. These players also know they don't have what it takes to succeed in the environment that the Kespa model entails. In fact, many of them have already proven they don't have what it takes. | ||
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Tossi83
Poland24 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:22 chisuri wrote: Don't tell KeSPA or its players what to do. Where did I do that? I was merely explaining why people support ESF. It's none of your business. It is my business. I am SC2 fan and I want to have a say in how things are done. I spent my money on SC2 and thus I believe I have the right to influence it. And on top of all that I am a free man so I am the one who decide what is and what isn't my bussiness. For you to try to deny and hinder my right to do so it looks like you have no good arguments against what I have said and thus try to exclude me from discussion. And they are not slaves. If I remember well many people implied that KeSPA often treats it's players like slaves. They are staying in KeSPA because they want to do so. If they want to leave, the doors are wide open and so are ESF's arms. KeSPA and ESF have an agreement to not exchange its players between each other. And I will say one more thing, in business, what other parties thought is none of one party's concern. You are wrong here too. We have laws and organizantions that say how competing should and shouldn't be done between companies, protect customers and ensure overall fairness in bussiness. And we have all that for a good reason and that reason is that the bigger and stronger often use their strength without respect for fairness and rights of the smaller and weaker ones. So it's everyones involved concern, the market, customers and competition, how the bussiness is done by other parties and we, the people who support ESF in their decision, believe it should be same in esport. Unless KeSPA did make some solid promises or contract, GSL and ESF would have no rights to react when KeSPA acted against their wills. Thats just your opinion, and people supporting ESF and me as well have opposite one. Actually everyone who is free can react to anything they wish to react tho it remains to be judged if the reaction is appriopriate one and in our case most of people judged that reaction of ESF is justified. All they do right now are trying to exploit their power to force KeSPA to give in doing their ways. In the eyes of people supporting ESF all they do is trying to stop KeSPA from exploiting KeSPAs power and they also believe that ESF ways of doing things is the right and just one. Why those people think so? Answer to that one you have in my previous post. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On August 26 2012 21:22 Tossi83 wrote: Where did I do that? I was merely explaining why people support ESF. It is my business. I am SC2 fan and I want to have a say in how things are done. I spent my money on SC2 and thus I believe I have the right to influence it. And on top of all that I am a free man so I am the one who decide what is and what isn't my bussiness. For you to try to deny and hinder my right to do so it looks like you have no good arguments against what I have said and thus try to exclude me from discussion. If I remember well many people implied that KeSPA often treats it's players like slaves. KeSPA and ESF have an agreement to not exchange its players between each other. You are wrong here too. We have laws and organizantions that say how competing should and shouldn't be done between companies, protect customers and ensure overall fairness in bussiness. And we have all that for a good reason and that reason is that the bigger and stronger often use their strength without respect for fairness and rights of the smaller and weaker ones. So it's everyones involved concern, the market, customers and competition, how the bussiness is done by other parties and we, the people who support ESF in their decision, believe it should be same in esport. Thats just your opinion, and people supporting ESF and me as well have opposite one. Actually everyone who is free can react to anything they wish to react tho it remains to be judged if the reaction is appriopriate one and in our case most of people judged that reaction of ESF is justified. In the eyes of people supporting ESF all they do is trying to stop KeSPA from exploiting KeSPAs power and they also believe that ESF ways of doing things is the right and just one. Why those people think so? Answer to that one you have in my previous post. Let me tell you one things: KeSPA players are not slaves. SK is a very developed country and they have law there. What other implied means nothing, I have never read or heard anything coming from KeSPA players to mention any mistreatment from KeSPA. In fact they have done many good things for players, even the retired ones. Go figure. KeSPA's business is none of your business, period. You can have opinion all the ways you want, it is your opinion and it may be wrong. You didn't buy anything from KeSPA as they just have stepped in SC2 recently (i don't know about SC:BW). KeSPA pays the players; therefore, they are KeSPA's employees. They don't need you teach them how to use their employees. Of course you can try anyways but don't be surprised when nobody gives you any attention. I meant there as a fact that you have no influence over how KeSPA treat the players or conduct its business. So I just advice you save your breath. If you don't want to, fine go ahead. It's just that your standard or definition of what is right what is wrong is not the common standard of the world. As you realize yourself I have my standard also. That's why I think ESF should just back off and let KeSPA does whatever the organization sees fit. If KeSPA makes mistake, it will bury itself. KeSPA didn't do anything wrong, by law. But GOM and ESF assumed everything and then they are pissed because they assumed the wrong thing. And they tried to use their power and position (participating in OSL after KeSPA kindly allowed them to) to threaten KeSPA. I think it's exactly unfair conduct of business and extremely harmful one also. You can't react to a very normal action and decision of one party by blackmailing or undermining that party's business. It's also extremely amateurish and unduly. Unfortunately for ESF but they have nothing to force on KeSPA, not even a promise. Their reaction, on the other hand, are undeniable. And their supporters, like you, are also assuming that they will bring something good to the scene by doing some unreasonably bad things but the fact is, you don't know yet. You are assuming, like GOM and ESF did, and you want KeSPA to be the victim of your assumption to see if you are correct or not. If you are correct, you still get there by doing something bad. If you are incorrect, well then KeSPA suffered for nothing. But as you said, you're a ESF's supporter so I can't change your mind anyways. | ||
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On August 26 2012 22:07 chisuri wrote: Let me tell you one things: KeSPA players are not slaves. SK is a very developed country and they have law there. What other implied means nothing, I have never read or heard anything coming from KeSPA players to mention any mistreatment from KeSPA. Because of the new Proleague format, Stork is going through a lot of distress. During the interview in the reporters' room, tears were welling up in his eyes. "While Boxer hyung was once our leader, right now there is no one else other than myself to express the players' grievances on their behalf. It would be good if Kespa can take into account the opinions of the players. Although corporations play a role in forming esports leagues, without the fans, these leagues would not exist. I hope Kespa can be more considerate of the position the players are in", Stork emphasized. To conclude his interview, Stork voiced the following comments: "This season's BW maps are an example, if you look at the vast majority of the things Kespa has done, the players' opinions have not once been taken into account. It might not matter to players who earn a lot of money but as a whole, if the top players and middle ranking players don't do well at SC2, it is the end for them. So it would be good if there is an institution for the players. Although Kespa has engaged in communication with fans, there needs to be an avenue for communication between the players and Kespa." Stork disagrees. IdrA has also commented on conditions of Kespa players while he was there. Pretty sure there's another article describing what B teamers go thru, written during the Saviour fiasco. | ||
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