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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
Toss and zerg are dependent on openers prior to your second pylon/ovie in EVERY matchup. 15 hatch/pool/gas for zvz, 15 hatch 16 pool zvt, 15 pool 15 hatch zvp. For toss it's 12 gate pvp, 13 gate pvt, or a forge on lowground at nat pvz. best thing a toss can do vs a random player is start wall off at ramp at 12 gate but if it's zvp, it's easy to counter as Z. Idk, I think random should be taken out OR, chooses race FOR you on the load screen so the opponent can play standard. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
If you're below masters and want to improve then playing against random shouldn't be an issue since , even though you're slightly handicapped, you are just looking to improve, not to win. If you're in masters, maybe one out of 30 games you play is against a random opponent (my experience anyway). | ||
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MyFirstProbe
Netherlands294 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:17 MyFirstProbe wrote: Where are those golden days when telling your race was something very nice? Nowadays a lot of people seem to have the opinion that you MUST tell your race, otherwise you're bad mannered... I always reply with "Random" because that IS my race. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:19 Dosey wrote: I always reply with "Random" because that IS my race. Random isn't a race. It is a choice that gives you the option of randomly being chosen one of the three races in the game. Stop trying to think you are clever. You are not clever. | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
It says something about the maturity of this community that I have to so heavily preface any comments about random. Sometimes I think people enjoying QQing on forums more than they actually like playing the game. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
Because it's none of your business. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
That's a good enough reason to me to play random. And if you want to play normal games while being random just tell your race... | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:49 Cosmos wrote: Random = more and quicker portraits. (1 win as random gives u 1 win with random + 1 win with the race you played in term of portraits/graphs) That's a good enough reason to me to play random. And if you want to play normal games while being random just tell your race... uhm...... it does? Since when? | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
Since forever. | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
He might need standards once he decides to switch, i.e. settle on one race. And then he can still learn standards for that race's matchups. Why learn them any sooner than that? Standards change over time anyway. People need to stop acting like playing standard or according to the current "meta game" is an end in itself. People are so obsessed with what they call "meta game" that they flame you on ladder for not doing exactly what they expect. If everyone always did what their opponent expects, this game would become just as lame as those people already are. Playing standard is hurting e-sports *trollface*. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
Haha. By virtue of working on 2 races simultaneously, Random and X, where X is the race you get after the load screen. I think he was making one of those "thank you captain Obvious" type of remarks. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
The best way to get better, stated by many progamers, is to pick a solid and safe build and do it in every matchup over and over to refine your mechanics. So if I gas first in TvT, cc first in TvZ, and 1 rax expand in TvP playing a random player FORCES me to choose a sub optimal build or to hurt my build with a VERY early scout that may not see anything in time. 1 rax expo is NOT safe in TvT, but gas openings are pure shit vs Z and not very good vs P. So instead of wasting my time I just leave. | ||
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stonetalon
Netherlands482 Posts
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:27 FrogOfWar wrote: OP's logic is flawed. If player x plays random and his opponents never play standard because of it, why would he even want to learn standards that according to this premise he will never need? He might need standards once he decides to switch, i.e. settle on one race. And then he can still learn standards for that race's matchups. Why learn them any sooner than that? Standards change over time anyway. People need to stop acting like playing standard or according to the current "meta game" is an end in itself. People are so obsessed with what they call "meta game" that they flame you on ladder for not doing exactly what they expect. If everyone always did what their opponent expects, this game would become just as lame as those people already are. Playing standard is hurting e-sports *trollface*. I wish i could simply +1 but i completely agree, i really dont understand why random is all of a sudden so bad, so many threads on why random is so unfair etc. for the longest time random players didnt get any shit for playing an OP race, but i guess everyone gets their turn. grow up, just play, and guess what ?? your chances of winning is still right around 50% just like any other matchup.. glhf! | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:27 FrogOfWar wrote: OP's logic is flawed. If player x plays random and his opponents never play standard because of it, why would he even want to learn standards that according to this premise he will never need? He might need standards once he decides to switch, i.e. settle on one race. And then he can still learn standards for that race's matchups. Why learn them any sooner than that? Standards change over time anyway. People need to stop acting like playing standard or according to the current "meta game" is an end in itself. People are so obsessed with what they call "meta game" that they flame you on ladder for not doing exactly what they expect. If everyone always did what their opponent expects, this game would become just as lame as those people already are. Playing standard is hurting e-sports *trollface*. If you play Random, it will breed bad habits for standard play. Most of the builds you face will be suboptimal, so you will not have to play as cleanly as if you were playing a single race. So if your opponent decides to gamble and use an opener designed to face off against a certain race, if he gets lucky you just won't be prepared for it. He'll steamroll you. On the other hand, if he gets unlucky and chooses the wrong build he'll probably lose. By choosing random, you've turned the game into a gamble. Whether you win or lose is not based on skill, it's based on luck. Having a low-skill game is going to seriously stymie your improvement. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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Petninja
United States159 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:39 Acritter wrote: If you play Random, it will breed bad habits for standard play. Most of the builds you face will be suboptimal, so you will not have to play as cleanly as if you were playing a single race. So if your opponent decides to gamble and use an opener designed to face off against a certain race, if he gets lucky you just won't be prepared for it. He'll steamroll you. On the other hand, if he gets unlucky and chooses the wrong build he'll probably lose. By choosing random, you've turned the game into a gamble. Whether you win or lose is not based on skill, it's based on luck. Having a low-skill game is going to seriously stymie your improvement. If you're not competing against the best people in the world the builds you play against will always be sub-optimal. Hell, even then the builds are probably "sub-optimal". | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
until now i had NEVER that he doesnt trust me, p makes fe's and so on. it seems all rnd are really truthfull so they not have to be scared they lie i understand what you mean but normaly EVERYONE trusts me ^^ some players even get mad i tell them race because they want learn play vs rnd ^^ | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 25 2012 02:34 stevarius wrote: Random isn't a race. It is a choice that gives you the option of randomly being chosen one of the three races in the game. Stop trying to think you are clever. You are not clever. Random is clearly a race, perfectly represented by the number of posters in this thread and the previous complaining about how the random matchup is so much different. | ||
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