On August 23 2012 03:14 Proseat wrote: I hope a Liquid player will win it this time. It's been a while.
Yeah, almost a month. Realistcally both Hero and Taeja have good chances, with TaeJa being probably the overall favorite. Hero's vs Terran looked strong and the Zerg line-up is not terribly strong this MLG and if his PvP has one of the better days he can certainly go far.
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote: Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
The best method?
Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names.
Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers.
Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint.
Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers.
GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA )
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote: Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
The best method?
Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names.
Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers.
Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint.
Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers.
GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA )
So there are 3 non-arena seeds. Who would get them? MKP, Leenock AND???
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote: Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."
These are two different points. First one i specially say its not their fault. Why would they turn such an offer down? You know there are ppl like Jinro who turn down their Coda A invitation because they think they are not good enough. In my opinion that's not the players problem to think about how fair the inviteing process is. Exactly that's the reason why i emphasised it's NOT their fault. Second one. I don't say these players should not be invited. If they use the methode you explained then i say i don't like the methode MLG uses to invite the players. This is not directed towards the players and i don't see how it insults them. If those players would be idra, incontrol etc i would ask the same questions and i would also say that i don't like the methode MLG used. I don't see how the players could be personal offended by my words.
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
I think i stated that in every single last post i made. I think the best option would have been to give more seeds to the highest finisher in the open bracket. If the now invited players are good enough they will qualify through the open bracket and gain their seed that way. But there are also some other solutions that were at least better than the current one.
I'm sure they invited places 17-32 in the arena before inviting binski and Caliber.... most likely people in 17-32 turned it down because... shocker ... it's expensive to go to an MLG.
did you read my post? i didn't use the word ARENA i used the word OPEN BRACKET. this will be my last post on this matter btw. Seems like i wasted my time there.
On a side note: You know i won't be happy if those players get slaughtered 0:5 in their group. I am always happy if foreigners/underdogs take game of koreans. But a lot of ppl will then say that their invites were not justified. If they qualify through the open bracket they at least achieve that. Even if they get slaughted after that they already achieved something! I think the way it is now these games won't be on the main stage and they will get less exposure than they would if they qualified for it. You will see hero TaeJa on the stage. The local scene doesn't get a lot of attention. Did you know that Socke the guy who had several amazing runs at MLG (e.g being the only player defeating DRG and being one game away from beeing first in his group in one of the last MLG) didn't had a single stage match yet? But this is a different topic. And you could also argue about how much sense it makes to have 2 tournaments at the same time...
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote: Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
The best method?
Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names.
Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers.
Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint.
Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers.
GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA )
So there are 3 non-arena seeds. Who would get them? MKP, Leenock AND???
Nonono.... they ALREADY messed up by this time, as my earlier post suggested:
On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote: It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse.
Why would they just randomly reserve 8 spot BEFORE they can confirm they can GET 8 people worthy of seeding?
On August 23 2012 03:32 lowreezy08 wrote: please mlg, spend some of my 30$ gold pass for marketing strategies thx.
It's the opposite in this case I'm afraid. MLG knows how to market and hype based on anaheim. If they have something big, they will hype it on twitter and everywhere till people are sick of their hype. Here, was just a case of hiding the facts as long as possible about the 8 mystery players. Most assumed it would be Kespa and that would be correct as MLG stated that was the plan. They hid the bad news about them not coming as long as possible because now spectator and hd passes are sold. The bait and switch is complete.
They knew they had nothing to hype cause that invite list is underwhelming to say the least, so there was no point in spending a single cent on marketing this like anaheim. In fact, it was good use of marketing money, cause they saved some budget instead of spending it needlessly when it wasn't justified.
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote: Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
The best method?
Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names.
Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers.
Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint.
Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers.
GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA )
So there are 3 non-arena seeds. Who would get them? MKP, Leenock AND???
Nonono.... they ALREADY messed up by this time, as my earlier post suggested:
On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote: It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse.
Why would they just randomly reserve 8 spot BEFORE they can confirm they can GET 8 people worthy of seeding?
Maybe they thought the risk to reward was good enough for them.
But yeah, atm we have to worst group stage seeds one could possibly have for an event.
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote: Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
The best method?
Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names.
Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers.
Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint.
Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers.
GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA )
So there are 3 non-arena seeds. Who would get them? MKP, Leenock AND???
Nonono.... they ALREADY messed up by this time, as my earlier post suggested:
On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote: It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse.
Why would they just randomly reserve 8 spot BEFORE they can confirm they can GET 8 people worthy of seeding?
Maybe Kespa did promise to send players and backed out? Players withdraw from events all the time. Leenock withdraw from Arena. Like you said, they were already in a bad spot. And any invites would have been seen in a negative light.
And you said 'invite better players'. So whom would you have invited?
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