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mememolly
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On August 23 2012 02:34 GuitarBizarre wrote: Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good. so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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wajd
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Thurken
961 Posts
On August 23 2012 02:32 kju wrote: it's not round robin, every group is a DE-bracket http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Championship#Group_Play I hope the top seeded player will face first the invited players and not the open bracket winners since the open bracket winners are likely to be way stronger.. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
I guess GSL truly is the only tournament left worth watching. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote: It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse. Waiting so long to announce them put more of a spotlight on them, not less. I think the Kespa players would have come if the PL standings weren't so insane, because only 2 ro 3 teams would have meaningful games. It just didn't work out that way so they had to bail. | ||
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ShadowGoliath
United States44 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:07 Catatonic wrote: Earned or not idc some of these players shouldn't be in group stages like Binski, Goody, Gix, Sasquatch, an Caliber, especially when theres players like SeleCT, IdrA, Huk, JYP, DeMuslim, MKP, Heart, and Thorzain are in open bracket. It defeats the purpose of even having groups when lower skill players like that are pretty much automatically put a lot futher placement wise by default in the final rankings over those with higher skill just because of bad groups. Lol, if you just said MKP, Heart, TZ. It would have been better. You do realize that these 'no-names' all did better than SeleCT, Idra, Huk in the NA Invite-Only Qualifiers right? Why even have qualifiers and open brackets? Just invite all the 'skill' players and be done with it. Hell, why even have the tournament. It is obvious that Taeja is the most 'skilled' player in the world right now so just give him the trophy. | ||
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Farmer Poopy
258 Posts
Also I'm assuming that the reason they didn't have any hype was because they were still trying to work things out with the Kespa Pros and they didn't want to say they were coming when there was a chance they weren't, which in this case was a good thing. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote: Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way." These are two different points. First one i specially say its not their fault. Why would they turn such an offer down? You know there are ppl like Jinro who turn down their Coda A invitation because they think they are not good enough. In my opinion that's not the players problem to think about how fair the inviteing process is. Exactly that's the reason why i emphasised it's NOT their fault. Second one. I don't say these players should not be invited. If they use the methode you explained then i say i don't like the methode MLG uses to invite the players. This is not directed towards the players and i don't see how it insults them. If those players would be idra, incontrol etc i would ask the same questions and i would also say that i don't like the methode MLG used. I don't see how the players could be personal offended by my words. What, to you, would be the right way? It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore: Invite 17-32 place at Arena Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money I think i stated that in every single last post i made. I think the best option would have been to give more seeds to the highest finishers in the open bracket. If the now invited players are good enough they will qualify through the open bracket and gain their seed that way. But there are also some other solutions that were at least better than the current one. | ||
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ContrailNZ
New Zealand306 Posts
On August 23 2012 02:32 kju wrote: it's not round robin, every group is a DE-bracket http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Championship#Group_Play Ok I take it back. Looking at this bracket system i really like what MLG has done. I think promoting a bunch of NA players due to non-shows from Koreans is also a great idea, even though they may get owned. I think to make MLG more successful I think it is a good idea to have the 'top 8 players' and they have invites for the top 4 ranked (based on MLG results) from NA and EU. Plus the Kespa players which couldn't play this time unfortunately. This way you make sure you get the top players from everywhere, while perhaps having slightly less Korean domination. I will be following this event closely regardless though. I hope another random NA / EU amazing performance will occur again like with Grubby / Scarlett / Goody previously. | ||
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Starcraft2Viewer
11 Posts
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splasha
Brazil86 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:15 OrbitalPlane wrote: These are two different points. First one i specially say its not their fault. Why would they turn such an offer down? You know there are ppl like Jinro who turn down their Coda A invitation because they think they are not good enough. In my opinion that's not the players problem to think about how fair the inviteing process is. Exactly that's the reason why i emphasised it's NOT their fault. Second one. I don't say these players should not be invited. If they use the methode you explained then i say i don't like the methode MLG uses to invite the players. This is not directed towards the players and i don't see how it insults them. If those players would be idra, incontrol etc i would ask the same questions and i would also say that i don't like the methode MLG used. I don't see how the players could be personal offended by my words. I think i stated that in every single last post i made. I think the best option would have been to give more seeds to the highest finisher in the open bracket. If the now invited players are good enough they will qualify through the open bracket and gain their seed that way. But there are also some other solutions that were at least better than the current one. I'm sure they invited places 17-32 in the arena before inviting binski and Caliber.... most likely people in 17-32 turned it down because... shocker ... it's expensive to go to an MLG. | ||
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Negatiive
Canada207 Posts
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lowreezy08
United States143 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 23 2012 03:09 ohampatu wrote: The best method? Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names. Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers. Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint. Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano or Naniwa vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers. | ||
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