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[MLG] Full Lineup for the MLG Summer Championship - Page 13

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mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
August 22 2012 18:11 GMT
#241
On August 23 2012 02:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 02:21 ohampatu wrote:
On August 23 2012 02:19 sGSuperSlinkY wrote:
On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote:
Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?!


Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well
Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion

these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here




i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro


Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good.




so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 18:17:30
August 22 2012 18:11 GMT
#242
Where are the Kespa players, I thought MLG made a deal with Kespa so they can have players in the tournament. I want LeeYoungHo there !
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
August 22 2012 18:12 GMT
#243
no WhiteRa makes me sad
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
August 22 2012 18:13 GMT
#244
On August 23 2012 02:32 kju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 02:29 turdburgler wrote:
every group is gonna have a player going 0-5, calling it now.


it's not round robin, every group is a DE-bracket

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Championship#Group_Play

I hope the top seeded player will face first the invited players and not the open bracket winners since the open bracket winners are likely to be way stronger..
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 22 2012 18:13 GMT
#245
Horrible groups. Open bracket only has a few big names. No Kespa players or GSL winners. Can't believe I was stupid enough to look forward to this.

I guess GSL truly is the only tournament left worth watching.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
August 22 2012 18:13 GMT
#246
On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote:
It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse.


Waiting so long to announce them put more of a spotlight on them, not less.

I think the Kespa players would have come if the PL standings weren't so insane, because only 2 ro 3 teams would have meaningful games. It just didn't work out that way so they had to bail.
ShadowGoliath
Profile Joined August 2011
United States44 Posts
August 22 2012 18:13 GMT
#247
Not TaeJa and HerO well that sucks
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
August 22 2012 18:14 GMT
#248
I hope a Liquid player will win it this time. It's been a while.
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 22 2012 18:14 GMT
#249
On August 23 2012 03:07 Catatonic wrote:
Earned or not idc some of these players shouldn't be in group stages like Binski, Goody, Gix, Sasquatch, an Caliber, especially when theres players like SeleCT, IdrA, Huk, JYP, DeMuslim, MKP, Heart, and Thorzain are in open bracket. It defeats the purpose of even having groups when lower skill players like that are pretty much automatically put a lot futher placement wise by default in the final rankings over those with higher skill just because of bad groups.


Lol, if you just said MKP, Heart, TZ. It would have been better. You do realize that these 'no-names' all did better than SeleCT, Idra, Huk in the NA Invite-Only Qualifiers right?

Why even have qualifiers and open brackets? Just invite all the 'skill' players and be done with it. Hell, why even have the tournament. It is obvious that Taeja is the most 'skilled' player in the world right now so just give him the trophy.
Farmer Poopy
Profile Joined October 2011
258 Posts
August 22 2012 18:14 GMT
#250
Well, (as a north american) MLG just went from my favorite event by far, to well, my favorite by a small margin (depends on how this MLG goes could be more or less).

Also I'm assuming that the reason they didn't have any hype was because they were still trying to work things out with the Kespa Pros and they didn't want to say they were coming when there was a chance they weren't, which in this case was a good thing.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 18:27:30
August 22 2012 18:15 GMT
#251
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote:
Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."

These are two different points.
First one i specially say its not their fault. Why would they turn such an offer down? You know there are ppl like Jinro who turn down their Coda A invitation because they think they are not good enough. In my opinion that's not the players problem to think about how fair the inviteing process is. Exactly that's the reason why i emphasised it's NOT their fault.
Second one. I don't say these players should not be invited. If they use the methode you explained then i say i don't like the methode MLG uses to invite the players. This is not directed towards the players and i don't see how it insults them. If those players would be idra, incontrol etc i would ask the same questions and i would also say that i don't like the methode MLG used. I don't see how the players could be personal offended by my words.


What, to you, would be the right way?

It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:

Invite 17-32 place at Arena
Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers

It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money


I think i stated that in every single last post i made. I think the best option would have been to give more seeds to the highest finishers in the open bracket. If the now invited players are good enough they will qualify through the open bracket and gain their seed that way.
But there are also some other solutions that were at least better than the current one.


Cj hero | Zest
ContrailNZ
Profile Joined January 2007
New Zealand306 Posts
August 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#252
On August 23 2012 02:32 kju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 02:29 turdburgler wrote:
every group is gonna have a player going 0-5, calling it now.


it's not round robin, every group is a DE-bracket

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Championship#Group_Play


Ok I take it back.

Looking at this bracket system i really like what MLG has done.

I think promoting a bunch of NA players due to non-shows from Koreans is also a great idea, even though they may get owned.

I think to make MLG more successful I think it is a good idea to have the 'top 8 players' and they have invites for the top 4 ranked (based on MLG results) from NA and EU. Plus the Kespa players which couldn't play this time unfortunately.

This way you make sure you get the top players from everywhere, while perhaps having slightly less Korean domination.

I will be following this event closely regardless though. I hope another random NA / EU amazing performance will occur again like with Grubby / Scarlett / Goody previously.
Starcraft2Viewer
Profile Joined July 2012
11 Posts
August 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#253
Ladies and Gentlemen, Your 2012 MLG Champion. You heard it here first!

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splasha
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil86 Posts
August 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#254
dear lord, even the open bracket is not very exciting, damm :/
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 22 2012 18:17 GMT
#255
On August 23 2012 03:15 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote:
Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."

These are two different points.
First one i specially say its not their fault. Why would they turn such an offer down? You know there are ppl like Jinro who turn down their Coda A invitation because they think they are not good enough. In my opinion that's not the players problem to think about how fair the inviteing process is. Exactly that's the reason why i emphasised it's NOT their fault.
Second one. I don't say these players should not be invited. If they use the methode you explained then i say i don't like the methode MLG uses to invite the players. This is not directed towards the players and i don't see how it insults them. If those players would be idra, incontrol etc i would ask the same questions and i would also say that i don't like the methode MLG used. I don't see how the players could be personal offended by my words.

Show nested quote +

What, to you, would be the right way?

It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:

Invite 17-32 place at Arena
Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers

It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money


I think i stated that in every single last post i made. I think the best option would have been to give more seeds to the highest finisher in the open bracket. If the now invited players are good enough they will qualify through the open bracket and gain their seed that way.
But there are also some other solutions that were at least better than the current one.



I'm sure they invited places 17-32 in the arena before inviting binski and Caliber.... most likely people in 17-32 turned it down because... shocker ... it's expensive to go to an MLG.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Negatiive
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada207 Posts
August 22 2012 18:17 GMT
#256
chill with the koreans.
ROOT4ROOT <3
lowreezy08
Profile Joined June 2011
United States143 Posts
August 22 2012 18:18 GMT
#257
glad to see the information released 2 fucking days before the event, great heads up MLG, awesome marketing strategy, hell hire me so I can give you guys a few pointers.
sup
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 22 2012 18:19 GMT
#258
Normally I would watch. But there will be too many events at the same time. I'd probably go with the events that have Kespa players in them and go to sleep during MLG / watch some VODs later.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 18:22:34
August 22 2012 18:19 GMT
#259
On August 23 2012 03:09 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote:
Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."

What, to you, would be the right way?

It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:

Invite 17-32 place at Arena
Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers

It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money


The best method?

Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names.

Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers.

Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint.



Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano or Naniwa vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers.
threeten
Profile Joined June 2011
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 18:21:36
August 22 2012 18:20 GMT
#260
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