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Think before you post. This should go without saying, there are so many people making absolutely idiotic comments in this thread. If you have nothing constructive to say, please don't say anything.
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
August 21 2012 20:15 GMT
#1041
What about the BW teams?

Skimmed thru some posts., Anyone think they might pick up Stephano?

They pay the highest salaries don't they?
If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
HazeInMotion
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada11 Posts
August 21 2012 20:15 GMT
#1042
On August 22 2012 05:10 skatblast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 05:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 22 2012 04:44 skatblast wrote:
I dont understand why people complain and say EG players are bad. EG is the best foreign team obviously, Liquid cant compete roster to roster, so why act like all the EG players are so terrible.


Sheth all killed EG.


Thats why i said roster to roster. There would be no all killing sir.


Roster to roster, Liquid would destroy EG.
kommunalka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States550 Posts
August 21 2012 20:18 GMT
#1043
On August 22 2012 05:12 riderLyrae wrote:
With the amount of baseless ragging on Evil Geniuses in the community you'd think that they're doing something right and everyone is just jealous.


This seems like the most reasonable summary of this thread!
rG
nymfaw
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway430 Posts
August 21 2012 20:18 GMT
#1044
The difference between liquid and EG is that liquid is actually serious business where people are expected to do well. EG is all about chilling out and smoking weed in a big summerhouse in Florida or wherever it is. Of course im jealous of Stephano, i'd love to sit in a LAN all day playing whenever I wanted, swimming in the pool whenever I wanted and trashtalking the other fatsos in my clan for drinking disgusting acid aka Monster all day while getting payed. Its a superstar life that no one can blame Stephano for choosing.

User was temp banned for this post.
Everything will be ok in the end. if it's not ok, its not the end.
HazeInMotion
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada11 Posts
August 21 2012 20:19 GMT
#1045
On August 22 2012 04:05 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 04:04 whereismymind wrote:
He wont stop producing results. It will be the same for him if he was playing at home or Mill house or EG, becuase he doesn't have to learn stuff to improve, he just experiments in his head. The only difference will be Milleniums $1000 per month salary versus $2500-3500 per month salary at EG.

Good luck man, you deserve it.


I hear its more like +15k$ per month.


I hope you're not delusional enough to believe that.

They make $50-60k a year MAX... and I think I'm being generous there.

Honestly most of you are probably not out of high school and don't have a clue about salaries in the real world...

$15k/month = $180,000 / year. That's more than engineers with 20 years work experiences, on par with average doctors salaries, etc..

You really believe someone who plays a video game that ONLY contributes sponsor exposure makes THAT much money?

Seriously, you people need to get a clue.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
August 21 2012 20:19 GMT
#1046
On August 22 2012 05:12 riderLyrae wrote:
With the amount of baseless ragging on Evil Geniuses in the community you'd think that they're doing something right and everyone is just jealous.


its nothing to do with that. EG is the first team to truly run like a business. they are in the business of making money and they user sponsorship placement in games as a means to that ends. other teams tend to be run the opposite way around. they see making money as the means to the end of getting more players out there to play games, making a little money is a helpful byproduct that allows them to do what they do.

in pretty much every sport the fans would prefer the second model, they see the short term results of spending all energy building a team and whatnot and they just want to see their favorite player do well. but when the business, run by business men, make a choice to promote the brand and make money, ahead of get results, the fans who are emotionally driven are upset.

be it EG players spending too much time on talk shows promoting instead of playing or a football team bringing in a star name that they dont really need to appease sponsors and more fickle fans.

fans would prefer if every team was run like a dignitas or a mouz, who are focused on getting a player to an event. this makes them popular, but its short sighted, growing the brand long term allows EG to send more players to more events, but an emotionally driven fan doesnt see it like that. EG gets shit on by neutral fans because they are interested players players player, and its difficult sometimes to look 5 years in to the future, and if a team will still be around.

so EG are probably in the right in their choices from an objective standpoint and thats what makes them a great business, but as the first ones to be a 'real' business they also get a lot of flack
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
August 21 2012 20:19 GMT
#1047
inc EG curse comments.
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
August 21 2012 20:19 GMT
#1048
On August 22 2012 05:15 Arachne wrote:
What about the BW teams?

Skimmed thru some posts., Anyone think they might pick up Stephano?

They pay the highest salaries don't they?


It's pretty simple, what would be the point for them ? Of course stephano is a very good player, but a team with korean sponsors and a korean fanbase, there is no point in doing that for them
YoloStar <3
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 21 2012 20:21 GMT
#1049
its amazing that ppl bash eg for being greedy when liquid takes $40k+ from the community for releasing a series of interviews.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
August 21 2012 20:22 GMT
#1050
This is why I like Evil Geniuses. They live up to the evil hype. Adds personality. Although Machine is too nice, so he needs to evil up if he wants to meet quota this quarter.
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
August 21 2012 20:22 GMT
#1051
On August 22 2012 05:10 skatblast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 05:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 22 2012 04:44 skatblast wrote:
I dont understand why people complain and say EG players are bad. EG is the best foreign team obviously, Liquid cant compete roster to roster, so why act like all the EG players are so terrible.


Sheth all killed EG.


Thats why i said roster to roster. There would be no all killing sir.


Oh common, Taeja, Ret, Sheth, Hero are all better than any EG player.
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 21 2012 20:22 GMT
#1052
On August 22 2012 05:19 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 05:12 riderLyrae wrote:
With the amount of baseless ragging on Evil Geniuses in the community you'd think that they're doing something right and everyone is just jealous.


its nothing to do with that. EG is the first team to truly run like a business. they are in the business of making money and they user sponsorship placement in games as a means to that ends. other teams tend to be run the opposite way around. they see making money as the means to the end of getting more players out there to play games, making a little money is a helpful byproduct that allows them to do what they do.

in pretty much every sport the fans would prefer the second model, they see the short term results of spending all energy building a team and whatnot and they just want to see their favorite player do well. but when the business, run by business men, make a choice to promote the brand and make money, ahead of get results, the fans who are emotionally driven are upset.

be it EG players spending too much time on talk shows promoting instead of playing or a football team bringing in a star name that they dont really need to appease sponsors and more fickle fans.

fans would prefer if every team was run like a dignitas or a mouz, who are focused on getting a player to an event. this makes them popular, but its short sighted, growing the brand long term allows EG to send more players to more events, but an emotionally driven fan doesnt see it like that. EG gets shit on by neutral fans because they are interested players players player, and its difficult sometimes to look 5 years in to the future, and if a team will still be around.

so EG are probably in the right in their choices from an objective standpoint and thats what makes them a great business, but as the first ones to be a 'real' business they also get a lot of flack

and its a shame people look at them making money is a bad thing. Look at where that money is going. They players. We are in an industry where players are underpaid. And quite underpaid. Yet EG is able to offer these guys good living salaries. Enough to keep Thorzain and Stephano from going to school. Good on EG for making money and paying players good money. Other teams need to do the same.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
August 21 2012 20:23 GMT
#1053
On August 22 2012 05:18 nymfaw wrote:
The difference between liquid and EG is that liquid is actually serious business where people are expected to do well. EG is all about chilling out and smoking weed in a big summerhouse in Florida or wherever it is. Of course im jealous of Stephano, i'd love to sit in a LAN all day playing whenever I wanted, swimming in the pool whenever I wanted and trashtalking the other fatsos in my clan for drinking disgusting acid aka Monster all day while getting payed. Its a superstar life that no one can blame Stephano for choosing.

This made me chuckle.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 21 2012 20:23 GMT
#1054
On August 22 2012 05:22 testthewest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 05:10 skatblast wrote:
On August 22 2012 05:00 Luepert wrote:
On August 22 2012 04:44 skatblast wrote:
I dont understand why people complain and say EG players are bad. EG is the best foreign team obviously, Liquid cant compete roster to roster, so why act like all the EG players are so terrible.


Sheth all killed EG.


Thats why i said roster to roster. There would be no all killing sir.


Oh common, Taeja, Ret, Sheth, Hero are all better than any EG player.

fun fact, JYP won more GSTL games alone than the entire Liquid roster
www.superbeerbrothers.com
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#1055
On August 22 2012 05:18 nymfaw wrote:
The difference between liquid and EG is that liquid is actually serious business where people are expected to do well. EG is all about chilling out and smoking weed in a big summerhouse in Florida or wherever it is. Of course im jealous of Stephano, i'd love to sit in a LAN all day playing whenever I wanted, swimming in the pool whenever I wanted and trashtalking the other fatsos in my clan for drinking disgusting acid aka Monster all day while getting payed. Its a superstar life that no one can blame Stephano for choosing.

yes ik haypro tlo sheth and jinro have had just amazing results
Mtuhk
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland129 Posts
August 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#1056
On August 22 2012 04:00 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 03:50 DeCoder wrote:
EG is like a luxury retirement home for professional players. Only the most accomplished are invited in, and once they they are in there is no going back. Your career will be over, but you don't care since you're busy enjoying a relaxed training regime and the best benefits in the business.


Do you consider yourself a smart person? If yes, how is it that you overlooked the fact that 1) they're competitors and motivated to win irrespective of money and 2) that the money motivation is very much still present once you join EG, because you can get a renewed contract and possibly an increase in salary? Let's hear you try to explain those factors away .


Not my post, but in general i think EG has a serious problem with their results, considering the sort of budget they're playing with. We should have at least a GSL/MLG runner-up from the last 6-9 months, or a major european tournament winner (No, Thorzain doesn't really count, since he was picked up after his DreamHack Open win) but EG hasn't really posted any results during late 2011 or 2012.

They've got the talent, but maybe they're not paying for results, rather for potential. Drop the players' salaries by a large margin, but give them incentives to post results via royalties. Say Puma wins MLG and he makes more money from this win than he would otherwise bring in for a whole year, or Idra getting into Code S and BAM! he's raking in the dollars. Those players who don't achieve success are still getting paid, but just enough to get by, considering they're still getting accomodations in the team house.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 20:26:45
August 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#1057
On August 22 2012 05:24 Mtuhk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 04:00 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:50 DeCoder wrote:
EG is like a luxury retirement home for professional players. Only the most accomplished are invited in, and once they they are in there is no going back. Your career will be over, but you don't care since you're busy enjoying a relaxed training regime and the best benefits in the business.


Do you consider yourself a smart person? If yes, how is it that you overlooked the fact that 1) they're competitors and motivated to win irrespective of money and 2) that the money motivation is very much still present once you join EG, because you can get a renewed contract and possibly an increase in salary? Let's hear you try to explain those factors away .


Not my post, but in general i think EG has a serious problem with their results, considering the sort of budget they're playing with. We should have at least a GSL/MLG runner-up from the last 6-9 months, or a major european tournament winner (No, Thorzain doesn't really count, since he was picked up after his DreamHack Open win) but EG hasn't really posted any results during late 2011 or 2012.

They've got the talent, but maybe they're not paying for results, rather for potential. Drop the players' salaries by a large margin, but give them incentives to post results via royalties. Say Puma wins MLG and he makes more money from this win than he would otherwise bring in for a whole year, or Idra getting into Code S and BAM! he's raking in the dollars. Those players who don't achieve success are still getting paid, but just enough to get by, considering they're still getting accomodations in the team house.

yes not counting the tournaments eg has won they need to win some
and ur idea puts so much pressure on players that it is not even funny terrible way to manage players
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 20:26:46
August 21 2012 20:26 GMT
#1058
if he leaves for an awesome salary and it's not EG, that would be interesting seeing another team able to cough up that kind of cash. Somewhat exciting still though no matter what team it is.
Do you really want chat rooms?
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 21 2012 20:27 GMT
#1059
On August 22 2012 05:26 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
if he leaves for an awesome salary and it's not EG, that would be interesting seeing another team able to cough up that kind of cash. Somewhat exciting still though no matter what team it is.

as many have said it could be SK
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 21 2012 20:27 GMT
#1060
On August 22 2012 05:24 Mtuhk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 04:00 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:50 DeCoder wrote:
EG is like a luxury retirement home for professional players. Only the most accomplished are invited in, and once they they are in there is no going back. Your career will be over, but you don't care since you're busy enjoying a relaxed training regime and the best benefits in the business.


Do you consider yourself a smart person? If yes, how is it that you overlooked the fact that 1) they're competitors and motivated to win irrespective of money and 2) that the money motivation is very much still present once you join EG, because you can get a renewed contract and possibly an increase in salary? Let's hear you try to explain those factors away .


Not my post, but in general i think EG has a serious problem with their results, considering the sort of budget they're playing with. We should have at least a GSL/MLG runner-up from the last 6-9 months, or a major european tournament winner (No, Thorzain doesn't really count, since he was picked up after his DreamHack Open win) but EG hasn't really posted any results during late 2011 or 2012.

They've got the talent, but maybe they're not paying for results, rather for potential. Drop the players' salaries by a large margin, but give them incentives to post results via royalties. Say Puma wins MLG and he makes more money from this win than he would otherwise bring in for a whole year, or Idra getting into Code S and BAM! he's raking in the dollars. Those players who don't achieve success are still getting paid, but just enough to get by, considering they're still getting accomodations in the team house.



Im not too fond of eg's results either, but they are a business and need to please sponsors. It just so happens that the sc2 communty value personalities more than they do results, otherwise MVP would be the most popular player, but hes not... SO maybe people should stop looking at EG for having something wrong with them and instead focus on the community. In no other esport that I know of besides sc2 do people like destiny get huge stream numbers. SC2 scene loves drama and personalities and EG caters to that. Start blaming the community, not the most well-run team there is.
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