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Silencioseu
Profile Joined June 2011
Cyprus493 Posts
August 21 2012 02:42 GMT
#181
On August 21 2012 09:25 avilo wrote:
Zergs are struggling...

I totally knew avilo is the one who posted it, right after reading it.
i kno i r badass no need to repeat
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
August 21 2012 02:50 GMT
#182
Great interview. It would be nice to have a text version tho
Life's good :D
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
August 21 2012 02:53 GMT
#183
I so want the carrier to make it into HoTS and see it buffed in a few small ways...
En Taro Adun, Executor!
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 21 2012 03:29 GMT
#184
On August 21 2012 11:53 Rorschach wrote:
I so want the carrier to make it into HoTS and see it buffed in a few small ways...


Free Interceptors. Why do Protoss have to pay for interceptors, but Zerg gets free Infested Terrans, Broodlings, and Locust.

Also, bring back auto repair on Interceptors from BW.
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
August 21 2012 03:38 GMT
#185
On August 21 2012 11:37 aeroblaster wrote:
To answer this part of your question "with carriers in jeopardy, what are we going to see now in late-game PvZ"
Let's back up for a second, who masses carriers vs late game Zerg?

White-Ra
vibeo gane,
Eps
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada240 Posts
August 21 2012 03:46 GMT
#186
On August 21 2012 11:37 aeroblaster wrote:
A truly evil combo would be Abduct + Neural


I don't fear Abduct + Neural as much as I fear Blinding Cloud + Fungal Growth.

I know everyone misses the old Defiler Dark Swarm. But what the hell is going on in the mind of Blizz devs that think giving a race that has a Micro-eliminating spell, along with a new spell that minimize Bio-Range to 1 would be a good idea?
Better be hoping for those clutch EMPs or that you have some Sieged-up Tanks in a solid position.

Well, atleast they gave Battle Hellions to combat this as the "new" firebat.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
August 21 2012 03:52 GMT
#187
On August 21 2012 12:46 Eps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 11:37 aeroblaster wrote:
A truly evil combo would be Abduct + Neural


I don't fear Abduct + Neural as much as I fear Blinding Cloud + Fungal Growth.

I know everyone misses the old Defiler Dark Swarm. But what the hell is going on in the mind of Blizz devs that think giving a race that has a Micro-eliminating spell, along with a new spell that minimize Bio-Range to 1 would be a good idea?
Better be hoping for those clutch EMPs or that you have some Sieged-up Tanks in a solid position.

Well, atleast they gave Battle Hellions to combat this as the "new" firebat.


I think youre missing a key point here; no one will go bio in hots :p
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
O.Golden_ne
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia204 Posts
August 21 2012 04:18 GMT
#188
On August 21 2012 03:45 `dunedain wrote:
So obvious that Blizzard hates Terran...
Spellcasters suck compared to the other races, they keep discussing ways to kill the defensive advantage that Terran was supposed to be about, and they plan on adding units that hard counter what Terrans usually build...

All that's left for them to do is remove the marine, and Terran will become the forgotten race.


I love watching Terran QQ.

It's like they've forgotten that they were OP for most of the entire history.

"omg we're not OP anymore!"
Like a baneling in a mineral line
Cinquedea
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada144 Posts
August 21 2012 04:32 GMT
#189
On August 21 2012 03:50 murphs wrote:
I watch these interviews hoping, hoping that I will hear the magic words "The colossus has been removed".

Hopefully, someday ;(

I hear ya buddy, maybe one day.
Too strange to live, too rare to die.
Sepheren
Profile Joined May 2012
United States66 Posts
August 21 2012 04:41 GMT
#190
On August 21 2012 02:30 Ketara wrote:
As a request, next time you guys do an interview.

I don't like watching videos of these things. I'm often playing a game or listening to music or watching a movie or something while I check stuff like this. I want to read it.

Please provide a text version.


I second!
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 04:45:59
August 21 2012 04:43 GMT
#191
we introduced the tempest, which is a very similar unit to the Carrier, but we feel like in our internal play test games, that it’s just doing everything that the Carrier does, but a little better. The Carrier’s damage doesn’t really counter a lot of things for cost. So the strength is, it’s just an all-around unit against everything, that’s pretty decent, but not amazing. That’s exactly what the Tempest is. Tempest actually have an upgrade to increase their range to 22, which is a pretty crazy range. It’s not the final number. So we have this new unit that’s sort of like the Carrier, but better. So that’s the main reason, why we decided to remove the Carrier.


WTF?
Tempest has absolutely dreadful DPS that can't kill diddley-squat in a fight scenario; How is that similar to the carrier?
Carrier also shoots out those mofo interceptors that can tank units that auto-target.
The only thing about the tempest that's good for combat is it's health, which just doesn't cut it for overall unit effectiveness in fighting.


Tempest is a decent concept, but right now it seems to be almost useless (really niche use which probably won't be that common considering the effectiveness of bio and the lack of warhound/siegetank/marauder anti-air) compared to carrier or void ray.

On August 21 2012 03:45 `dunedain wrote:
So obvious that Blizzard hates Terran...
Ya, it's not like terran was dominating everything for the first half year of the game being out or anything — oh wait.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
August 21 2012 04:43 GMT
#192
... From what I've seen the tempest looks like a shittier carrier... and Carriers have become more and more common in lategame PvZ. Frustrating, I wish they'd leave it in...
FoTG fighting!
Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
August 21 2012 04:46 GMT
#193
Tempest is way better than Carriers guys. 23 >>>> 8(14). What else do you want? Other stats, micro? Naw you don't get it. New Protoss micro is to suicide everything and mass recall.
The more you know, the less you understand.
foxmulder_ms
Profile Joined February 2011
United States140 Posts
August 21 2012 04:47 GMT
#194
Mothership core is now a unit..!!!! That's interesting... :D me likesssss

Liston to me guys, I am going to tell you the REAL reason to remove carrier from HOTS: They are simply saving it for LotV. That simple. No worries, it will return.
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
August 21 2012 04:50 GMT
#195
On August 21 2012 13:46 Cloak wrote:
Tempest is way better than Carriers guys. 23 >>>> 8(14). What else do you want? Other stats, micro? Naw you don't get it. New Protoss micro is to suicide everything and mass recall.



you forgot to mention that the tempest has a dps of 7.5 on normal units 10 on armored.......so ya, go ahead and tickle the terran units from 22 range. you might kill something in 10 minutes or so
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
August 21 2012 04:54 GMT
#196

On August 21 2012 11:37 aeroblaster wrote:
A truly evil combo would be Abduct + Neural

Hey, for once neural will actually be useable!
On August 21 2012 12:46 Eps wrote:
I don't fear Abduct + Neural as much as I fear Blinding Cloud + Fungal Growth.

I know everyone misses the old Defiler Dark Swarm. But what the hell is going on in the mind of Blizz devs that think giving a race that has a Micro-eliminating spell, along with a new spell that minimize Bio-Range to 1 would be a good idea?
Better be hoping for those clutch EMPs or that you have some Sieged-up Tanks in a solid position.
You think Dark Swarm is easier to deal with? you have to be delusional; dark swarm was so strong, and blinding cloud is so weak and niche in comparison. You're way too fast to judge things. To cast a single fungal–blinding cloud combo on a group on units requires a full 200 energy, and if you didn't know blinding cloud's AoE isn't particularly big from what I remember.
Aside from the fact that it costs lost of energy, the opponent has three additional options to deal with it: snipe/EMP, more mech units, and spreading out bio units more.

When all that is considered your worries seem so absolutely ridiculous. The problem I have with blinding cloud is that the ability is too niche regardless of if it's too strong or too weak — it doesn't work on ANY Protoss units, which is outright stupid.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
August 21 2012 04:55 GMT
#197
On August 21 2012 13:18 O.Golden_ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 03:45 `dunedain wrote:
So obvious that Blizzard hates Terran...
Spellcasters suck compared to the other races, they keep discussing ways to kill the defensive advantage that Terran was supposed to be about, and they plan on adding units that hard counter what Terrans usually build...

All that's left for them to do is remove the marine, and Terran will become the forgotten race.


I love watching Terran QQ.

It's like they've forgotten that they were OP for most of the entire history.

"omg we're not OP anymore!"

Isn't that the wrong way to think about it though?
"Here, let's buff Zerg to OPness right now, since Terran was OP most of 2011. Once we hit 2013, we can make Protoss OP. Then we can go back to Terran."
I would rather have an actually balanced game rather than a cycle of OP races.
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
August 21 2012 05:12 GMT
#198
On August 21 2012 13:41 Sepheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 02:30 Ketara wrote:
As a request, next time you guys do an interview.

I don't like watching videos of these things. I'm often playing a game or listening to music or watching a movie or something while I check stuff like this. I want to read it.

Please provide a text version.


I second!


There's transcript, isn't there?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 21 2012 05:18 GMT
#199
On August 21 2012 09:25 avilo wrote:
Zergs are struggling...

Don't worry even when Terran was op you still complained bout Zerg op so really a buff won't help you out.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Eps
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada240 Posts
August 21 2012 05:49 GMT
#200
On August 21 2012 13:54 Xapti wrote:

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 11:37 aeroblaster wrote:
A truly evil combo would be Abduct + Neural

Hey, for once neural will actually be useable!
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 12:46 Eps wrote:
I don't fear Abduct + Neural as much as I fear Blinding Cloud + Fungal Growth.

I know everyone misses the old Defiler Dark Swarm. But what the hell is going on in the mind of Blizz devs that think giving a race that has a Micro-eliminating spell, along with a new spell that minimize Bio-Range to 1 would be a good idea?
Better be hoping for those clutch EMPs or that you have some Sieged-up Tanks in a solid position.
You think Dark Swarm is easier to deal with? you have to be delusional; dark swarm was so strong, and blinding cloud is so weak and niche in comparison. You're way too fast to judge things. To cast a single fungal–blinding cloud combo on a group on units requires a full 200 energy, and if you didn't know blinding cloud's AoE isn't particularly big from what I remember.
Aside from the fact that it costs lost of energy, the opponent has three additional options to deal with it: snipe/EMP, more mech units, and spreading out bio units more.

When all that is considered your worries seem so absolutely ridiculous. The problem I have with blinding cloud is that the ability is too niche regardless of if it's too strong or too weak — it doesn't work on ANY Protoss units, which is outright stupid.


I would rather not get into a BW vs SCII debate, as that's a completely different topic. I mentioned the comparison, since the Viper is essentially Defiler 2.0 in air form. Dark Swarm was in a much different game, one where there was no micro-locking abilities. Ensnare can't even begin to compare to FG.

As for the radius of Blinding Cloud, it looked to be around 1.5 which is standard. Considering that EMP, Storms are 1.5 as well, while FG is at 2.0 radius.

From what you're saying - I didn't know that Blinding Cloud and FG came from 1 Single unit. It's not as if Zergs can't morph a bunch of Infestors with FG-energy ready..wait. It's not as if Blizzard didn't give Vipers an ability to leech building HP for energy..wait. /sarcasm

Wow spreading out units more, why didn't I think of that? It seems like the Zerg response to every proposed attempt to raise issue with one of their units is to tell the opponent to Micro better. Now why didn't Zergs just Micro better when they had to deal with pre-nerf EMP's and Ghost Snipe?
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