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nAgeDitto
Profile Joined April 2011
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 17:36:01
August 11 2012 17:35 GMT
#21
On August 12 2012 02:30 Jedclark wrote:
Would love to see this. I think this could be the new 2v2 for teamleagues, since 2v2 in SC2 is, put bluntly, a piece of shit.


Personally I think team games in WC3 were much better than SC2 or BW >.<

On Topic, me an my clan members have been playing this custom game for quite a while and thought it would be very interesting
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
August 11 2012 17:42 GMT
#22
On August 12 2012 02:32 naggerNZ wrote:
The problem is the game would need an entirely different balance. I've played this quite a bit and the challenges of working as a team affects races disproportionately.


mmm, I don't think the ability to use teamwork is ever a reason to change balance. If you had teamwork, you'd progress, if you didn't, you'd fail. At least that is how I would see it playing out as far as a ladder option. However, it would be pretty easy to troll people... but, not really that much more than you could in a standard 2v2 game.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
August 11 2012 17:50 GMT
#23
Can you play this custom so that you play against 1 person? It would be cool to see a show segment "how many people does it take to beat a pro" or something, I would watch that.
Marine -> masters
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
August 11 2012 18:00 GMT
#24
PLEASE GOD NO. The purpose of this custom game is to do something crazy and fun, not serious and competitive. Making this competitive would RUIN the the game.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
August 11 2012 18:02 GMT
#25
On August 12 2012 02:50 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
Can you play this custom so that you play against 1 person? It would be cool to see a show segment "how many people does it take to beat a pro" or something, I would watch that.

Yes you can! It's a lot of fun!
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 18:07:40
August 11 2012 18:04 GMT
#26
On August 12 2012 03:00 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
PLEASE GOD NO. The purpose of this custom game is to do something crazy and fun, not serious and competitive. Making this competitive would RUIN the the game.


You can play any mode for competition or fun, and you can have fun playing competitively as well. As far as the purpose of this mod, the only people who decide what that is for are the people who play it.... seriously what kind of stupid logic is this? ;/
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
MysteryTerran
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States178 Posts
August 11 2012 18:06 GMT
#27
Competitively? No. For fun? Yes. It's pretty fun as long as you get to be the micro part. If I wanted to macro I would just play a game of 4s.

Cool idea, but it wouldn't catch my eye like typical 1v1s do.
Playing Protoss is like playing Guitar Hero on Very Easy
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
August 11 2012 18:09 GMT
#28
Wouldn't mind seeing this in like an all-stars event or random fun showmatch.
SKDN
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden243 Posts
August 11 2012 18:21 GMT
#29
for GSTL off the record for fun but never the real deal, this is a 1v1 game T.T Imagine in boxing if one guy moved controlled the feet and one the arms...
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
August 11 2012 18:22 GMT
#30
On August 12 2012 03:09 Warpath wrote:
Wouldn't mind seeing this in like an all-stars event or random fun showmatch.

Indeed, even some GM's playing it would be fun to watch. Maybe I will try to get a few strong players to try it out in a b09 or something to watch it play out.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
The WingNut
Profile Joined February 2012
United States35 Posts
August 11 2012 18:34 GMT
#31
In the same way occasionally there will be a FFA or 4v4 with pro players at a tourney just for fun, of course it would be fun and entertaining for micro/macro show matches.
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
August 11 2012 18:43 GMT
#32
On August 12 2012 03:34 The WingNut wrote:
In the same way occasionally there will be a FFA or 4v4 with pro players at a tourney just for fun, of course it would be fun and entertaining for micro/macro show matches.


With all the comments like this simply stating this format as a novelty, I haven't heard a single strong argument , other than preference. Would anyone care to give some feedback as to why it would be a novelty rather than just stating their opinion that that is what it's best for?
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 11 2012 18:43 GMT
#33
On August 12 2012 02:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
So basically its Team Melee from BW?


No, its basically Macro Micro from bw.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 19:23:19
August 11 2012 19:16 GMT
#34
It's fun to play, but no one wants to see it on a professional level. Why is it so fun to watch the pros play? To see everything that one person can pull off. Having micro/macro and other tasks allocated to other players would just not be impressive in the slightest.

On August 12 2012 03:43 Vansetsu wrote:
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On August 12 2012 03:34 The WingNut wrote:
In the same way occasionally there will be a FFA or 4v4 with pro players at a tourney just for fun, of course it would be fun and entertaining for micro/macro show matches.


With all the comments like this simply stating this format as a novelty, I haven't heard a single strong argument , other than preference. Would anyone care to give some feedback as to why it would be a novelty rather than just stating their opinion that that is what it's best for?


It would be dumbing down the game. A lot of people already complain about the skill ceiling not being high enough, so they definitely wouldn't like to see this. It'd never take off in the pro scene anyways though.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
August 11 2012 19:21 GMT
#35
On August 12 2012 02:50 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
Can you play this custom so that you play against 1 person? It would be cool to see a show segment "how many people does it take to beat a pro" or something, I would watch that.


The funny thing is the map doesn't even really work that way. Like sure if you practice on it a bunch with people you know you could get used to it and coordinate well together. But a pro with top-tier multitasking is still going to control everything far better than 10 random guys trying to coordinate together.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 11 2012 19:24 GMT
#36
Should be played on TL Attack to see how many people a pro can handle. Can ten diamond players working together overcome a pro?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
August 11 2012 19:25 GMT
#37
On August 12 2012 04:21 IcedBacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 02:50 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
Can you play this custom so that you play against 1 person? It would be cool to see a show segment "how many people does it take to beat a pro" or something, I would watch that.


The funny thing is the map doesn't even really work that way. Like sure if you practice on it a bunch with people you know you could get used to it and coordinate well together. But a pro with top-tier multitasking is still going to control everything far better than 10 random guys trying to coordinate together.


It's a nice claim to make, but I think seeing it played out would be better proof :p I feel like 2-3 masters players could easily take games of high level players.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
August 11 2012 19:26 GMT
#38
On August 12 2012 03:43 SnowFantasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 02:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
So basically its Team Melee from BW?


No, its basically Macro Micro from bw.


While yes you are true. Team Melee was basically the same thing.

I play this custom map for fun not because I want to watch high level pros play it. To watch pros play it would be about as exciting as a normal 1v1.
Oblivion753
Profile Joined May 2011
United States73 Posts
August 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#39
On August 12 2012 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Should be played on TL Attack to see how many people a pro can handle. Can ten diamond players working together overcome a pro?

Ten Players!?!?!? What on earth would ten diamond players be doing? Keep in mind Diamond is only one league below Masters...... The average mid to high diamond player usually has at least 100 APM. I would say having just 2 players could take on a lot of pros. One just for macro purposes and one for micro would be insane. Think of the possibilities of harassment and control if you didnt need to worry about macro.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#40
Hahaha, TOP macroing for MKP, you almost got me there buddy.

But seriously no, just doing one of the things a Starcraft game requires is completely boring and unimpressive as fuck. Doing everything at once to the best of your ability is the beauty of an RTS.
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