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Clazziquai10
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On August 01 2012 15:37 forsooth wrote: Don't be ridiculous. Simplifying/dumbing down your grammar and using the simplest words you can to get the point across is the best way to talk to someone who's bad at the language. I work with a couple of guys who don't speak English well and that's exactly how I communicate with them. If I were to try talking to them like I would any other native English speaker, they'd be lost and confused. " Hey that's the same way I communicate with foreigners, that means it's right " I'm a Russian born American with straight up Russian parents who are living in America, I know what works when communicating with people in another language. That isn't the best way. | ||
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Firenza
United States51 Posts
1) It wasn't perfect, but along the way you hope to capture some really honest moments. As others have pointed out, Heart/MC/defeat/young fan/autograph was just a perfect moment. Having one of those in a 20 minute short is very good. 2) Jason Lake's "lecture" about the water bottles is the exact sort of behind-the-scenes detail you want to see. It's not ridiculously interesting, but it's something that you wouldn't normally think about. I appreciated the glimpse into the business of esports, especially, again, in only a 20 minute short. 3) I really appreciated Jason Lake's talking head about education. It's something I think about a lot as a 30-something watching esports. These kids are super-talented, but probably even more so than professional sports, a career isn't going to span more than a few years (as a player; Day[9] is the perfect example of someone who got an advanced degree and transitioned into different roles within esports). This talking head made me appreciate the players and team more than before. A huge success for a documentary of this sort. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 01 2012 23:47 Snijjer wrote: " Hey that's the same way I communicate with foreigners, that means it's right " I'm a Russian born American with straight up Russian parents who are living in America, I know what works when communicating with people in another language. That isn't the best way. Cool story bro, doesnt mean that Jason isnt a great guy, just means he is not as used to communcating and manageing Koreans as some other members of his crew because he is busy doing other things. He is running a pro gaming team, not an embassy. | ||
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Finrod1
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EdenPLusDucky
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On August 01 2012 15:52 Secret05 wrote: Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about. No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6. Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On August 01 2012 23:47 Snijjer wrote: " Hey that's the same way I communicate with foreigners, that means it's right " I'm a Russian born American with straight up Russian parents who are living in America, I know what works when communicating with people in another language. That isn't the best way. Absolutely agree with Snijjer, that was my thought as soon as I saw that. None of the clients at the clinic I work at speak English but I still treat everyone as equals even in conversation. Plenty of gesturing is good I think but there's a patronizing tone used there that was kinda gross. With that said, I fucking love JLake and that was a cool little documentary. | ||
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MrMatt
Canada225 Posts
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Zach426
United States60 Posts
On August 01 2012 23:58 zachMEISTER wrote: No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6. Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies. Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up. | ||
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CutieBK
Sweden227 Posts
Extremely interesting to see a real behind the scenes of eSports. I would definitely watch more of this! | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 02 2012 00:16 CutieBK wrote: Wow, I'm a bit blown away by this. It feels really raw and gritty yet shows alot of heart too Extremely interesting to see a real behind the scenes of eSports. I would definitely watch more of this! Ha you are right, it does show alot of HEART. Heart is easily in my top 3 favorite sc2 players. I met him at Columbus, he was so humble and cool. Now he is in code S, so yall better watch out! Also got to meet Killer, his English was pretty good. He kept saying he 'fucked up' after I asked him how his games went. I felt bad but he was still in good spirits and just having a great time interacting with fans. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On August 02 2012 00:07 Zach426 wrote: Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up. It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome. EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.html It talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to his refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal. | ||
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Firenza
United States51 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 02 2012 00:24 zachMEISTER wrote: It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome. And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds. | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On August 02 2012 00:35 stratmatt wrote: And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point. note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets. | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
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