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I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
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On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!!
We all miss counter-strike!
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On August 02 2012 01:04 Popcorn1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!! We all miss counter-strike!
^_^
CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene.
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Well done, felt like a proper documentary. A solid storyline is very important for a good documentary imo, something that Teamliquids documentary lacked.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene.
For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic.
Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D
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Great watch... looking forward to star nation even more now!!!!!
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On August 02 2012 01:07 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene. For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic. Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D
I didn't "claim" to know, I know..and I said what information I inherently know. Just because I can't "SOURCE" everything that you have some form of disagreement with doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was like 6 years ago, do you honestly think you could source something from 6 years ago that you ran into while browsing these forums? I doubt it. There isn't any argument other than Lake isn't as awesome of a GM as this and the other 2 documentaries portray.
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I liked it well done documentary
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On August 02 2012 01:13 zachMEISTER wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:07 -Kyo- wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene. For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic. Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D I didn't "claim" to know, I know..and I said what information I inherently know. Just because I can't "SOURCE" everything that you have some form of disagreement with doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was like 6 years ago, do you honestly think you could source something from 6 years ago that you ran into while browsing these forums? I doubt it. There isn't any argument other than Lake isn't as awesome of a GM as this and the other 2 documentaries portray.
And frod isnt exactly the saint you proclaim him to be either but he is still one of my favorite players of all time. You said it yourself: 6 years ago. Times have changed.
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On August 02 2012 01:18 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:13 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 01:07 -Kyo- wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point.
note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
Sorry, but stuff like this is really sort of annoying. You're dancing around giving information that you "claim" to know, yet are basing your whole argument on it. Either come out and say everything with full evidence other than "i played competitively" or don't talk at all. Things like this are serious topics, especially when you're attempting to discredit someone who is, this is the most important part, actively participating in the scene. For the sake of the thread, just drop the topic. Good to see a lot of other pro players taking the time to tune into this though~ I saw a lot of tweets from people like incontrol yesterday, really cool to see everyone come together and support stuff like this :D I didn't "claim" to know, I know..and I said what information I inherently know. Just because I can't "SOURCE" everything that you have some form of disagreement with doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was like 6 years ago, do you honestly think you could source something from 6 years ago that you ran into while browsing these forums? I doubt it. There isn't any argument other than Lake isn't as awesome of a GM as this and the other 2 documentaries portray. And frod isnt exactly the saint you proclaim him to be either but he is still one of my favorite players of all time. You said it yourself: 6 years ago. Times have changed.
You're right, times have changed. And I'm sure Lake wasn't the only one to blame for the whole situation. But that particular instance was more actively Lake, than the players.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On August 02 2012 00:44 zachMEISTER wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 00:35 stratmatt wrote:On August 02 2012 00:24 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 00:07 Zach426 wrote:On August 01 2012 23:58 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 01 2012 15:52 Secret05 wrote:On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team. I could only find one video on youtube made by hellspawn(the joke) But I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back. Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about. No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6. Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies. Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up. It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome. And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point. note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets.
I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source?
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On August 02 2012 01:23 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 00:44 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 00:35 stratmatt wrote:On August 02 2012 00:24 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 00:07 Zach426 wrote:On August 01 2012 23:58 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 01 2012 15:52 Secret05 wrote:On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team. I could only find one video on youtube made by hellspawn(the joke) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liZhSdV71mUBut I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back. Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about. No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6. Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies. Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up. It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome. And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point. note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets. I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source?
I posted this earlier,
EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.htmlIt talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well.
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On August 02 2012 01:05 NuKE[vZ] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:04 Popcorn1 wrote:On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!! We all miss counter-strike! ^_^ CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene.
We have our eye on it, but to be honest the game is not very good right now.
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On August 02 2012 01:29 Popcorn1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:05 NuKE[vZ] wrote:On August 02 2012 01:04 Popcorn1 wrote:On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!! We all miss counter-strike! ^_^ CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene. We have our eye on it, but to be honest the game is not very good right now.
as far as playing wise it's not as good as most CSS'ers and 1.6ers like... but loads of top 1.6 and CSS pros already made the switch(f0rest, get_right, n0thing, swag, VERYGAMES, mTw, Dyanmic, etc) and there are many more to come. 1.6 is dead, CSS has always been dead, and many good top COD players have already made the switch, as well as Battlefield top teams. So it's going to be huge... finally a fps game that might bring together 1.6, CSS, COD and Battlefield all in 1 game. Sounds promising eh?
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On August 02 2012 01:38 NuKE[vZ] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:29 Popcorn1 wrote:On August 02 2012 01:05 NuKE[vZ] wrote:On August 02 2012 01:04 Popcorn1 wrote:On August 02 2012 01:02 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
I've played CS for a long time and have been a fan of coL since about 2004, so glad to see Jason Lake doing well and compLexity as a brand doing extremely well. Jason please get a CSGO team, come back to CS we miss you!! We all miss counter-strike! ^_^ CSGO might be the next big thing in terms of FPS gaming, I hope you boys are considering coming back to the FPS scene. I know it did you wrong, but coL without an fps team is hard for me to fathom and has been so since you had left the scene. We have our eye on it, but to be honest the game is not very good right now. as far as playing wise it's not as good as most CSS'ers and 1.6ers like... but loads of top 1.6 and CSS pros already made the switch(f0rest, get_right, n0thing, swag, VERYGAMES, mTw, Dyanmic, etc) and there are many more to come. 1.6 is dead, CSS has always been dead, and many good top COD players have already made the switch, as well as Battlefield top teams. So it's going to be huge... finally a fps game that might bring together 1.6, CSS, COD and Battlefield all in 1 game. Sounds promising eh? ^^
Yeah what this guy said. When complexity is looking to fill its future cs:go roster, just rememeber that I am currently a free agent and have very reasonable salary demands  lolol
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On August 02 2012 01:28 zachMEISTER wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:23 illsick wrote:On August 02 2012 00:44 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 00:35 stratmatt wrote:On August 02 2012 00:24 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 00:07 Zach426 wrote:On August 01 2012 23:58 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 01 2012 15:52 Secret05 wrote:On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team. I could only find one video on youtube made by hellspawn(the joke) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liZhSdV71mUBut I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back. Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about. No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6. Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies. Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up. It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome. And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point. note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets. I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source? I posted this earlier, Show nested quote +EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.htmlIt talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal. He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well.
Ok, I've sat by and watched this nonsense but you need to stop. Not only are your statements libelous they are outright incorrect.
Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization
True, he has probably invested as much if not more than any individual in eSports history.
they didn't have sponsors
True, at first he funded everything. Real passion, not bullshit.
Lake didn't have a job
This really shows how uneducated you are on the topic. He founded and owned a law firm. Most EVERY Counter-Strike fan in the world knows that.
I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay
That's because it's an outright lie you made up.
He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from
I don't even know where to start on this one. Jason never lived in Texas. He's not from Atlanta, but the Midwest originally. He lived in Atlanta for a period of time. You're honestly making things up and you look foolish. A cursory review of coL documentaries or e-@thletes (which filmed him in his LAW FIRM) would reveal more than your silly statements.
I could go on but I won't. Not only are you making hurtful and false accusations against his character, you're stating outright lies. Please stop.
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Good job. Really enjoyed watching it.
Jason Lake is one of my FAVORITE people in eSports.
Glad to see coL "resurrected" ... wish 3D went the same way but I can't blame Torbull for focusing on other things.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On August 02 2012 01:28 zachMEISTER wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 01:23 illsick wrote:On August 02 2012 00:44 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 00:35 stratmatt wrote:On August 02 2012 00:24 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 02 2012 00:07 Zach426 wrote:On August 01 2012 23:58 zachMEISTER wrote:On August 01 2012 15:52 Secret05 wrote:On August 01 2012 15:34 siii wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Following the counter strike scene J.Lake might not be the nice guy he gives himself out to be, and everyone here seems to think. Big stars like fRoD went out and said really bad things about him, while he was still on the team. I could only find one video on youtube made by hellspawn(the joke) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liZhSdV71mUBut I'm sure there are more serious/better interviews, this got blown up pretty badly a few years back. Just because jason and frod didn't get a long towards the end of their time has nothing to do with Jason personally. People don't get a long all the time. Also I have a hard time believing this was that big of a deal, frod was on complexity for years and years, if he was that bad then I highly doubt he would've stuck around that long. This is nothing more than a silly dispute that frod is all butt hurt about. No, fRod stayed with compLexity because they became the world's #1 team for a couple years running, won lots of cash playing a game, and afforded a BMW.. He was also one of the best AWPers, if not THE best during the prime of 1.6. Lake was a lawyer based out of Atlanta, and he fronted lots of money on his own behalf to support his players. But there is a major dark side to his operation, such as his alcoholism and refusal to pay players. Obviously there are contracts, and agreements and shit, but Lake was a lawyer and knows when he's walking the razor's edge. He's a great GM, but coL hasn't always been rainbows and butterflies. Can you provide some proof (i.e. articles, videos, news stories) of this alcoholism and refusal to pay players what they are owed? I am not saying you are wrong since I do not know much about it, but to throw all of this out without providing anything to back it up is dangerous and pretty messed up. It's called, "I played Counter-Strike competitively from 2003-2009." That's my source. Try perusing through GotFrag.com and looking for a source there. I can even give you my Login name if you really want to look hard. The point is, Lake isn't as awesome as everyone thinks he is, but he is still pretty awesome. And I played competitively during that time as well. You as well as anyone like us should know that the cs scene was not what the sc2 scene is. There was always team drama and fueds and everything was much more cut throat. Jason put frod on a team that ended up being the most succesful team he was ever on. Jason did great things for frod and vice versa. Of course things went sour when 1.6 started to fall out of style and wasnt as lucrative(it never really was in the first place) and Jason simply could not afford to keep the team together so they left and went to another organization. Sometimes shit happens. This isnt really the place to dredge up old drama thats said and done. Try focusing on the positive aspects like col winning eswc against ridiculous odds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to drudge up all drama, but when someone tries to discredit fRod saying he was "butt hurt", I kinda get up in arms. fRod was my duddddeeee..hell, he even boasts the largest span K:D ratio to this date. He wasn't butt-hurt. He was legit concerned. Lake wasn't all rainbows and butterflies, that's my point. note: I was actually helping Daniel Frome for a period of time (director of compLexity: Armageddon) and he let me in on a few of coL's secrets. I agree with Stratmatt. There might be some other stuff you don't know about. fRod might have been upset towards the end of the relationship and said some stuff because he was angry. That's the first time I heard about Lake not paying and the alcoholism. If he wasn't paying them (and you said it was a big deal) then I would assume there would be an article about it on GotFrag and I don't recall reading it. But then again, GotFrag was dying at the time so maybe you care to link from another news source? I posted this earlier, Show nested quote +EDIT: Here's an article for a quick brushing of coL's history: http://esports-network.blogspot.de/2012/03/look-back-team-complexity.htmlIt talks about how Lake fronts his money during the start-up of his gaming organization. During the early days of coL, they didn't have sponsors, Lake didn't have a job, and his players were barely putting up the results on the board to bring in lots of cash. I can't source you a link to a refusal to pay, but I can say whole heartedly, that it was a big deal. He even relocated himself and his family to Texas with the team because it was cheaper to live in the midwest rather than Atlanta, which is where he's from. Lake also tried striking deals with a big LAN center that was built in the Atlanta area to try and generate some revenue...it didn't work out well.
That article didn't claim anything about Lake not paying. I knew about coL's history already and I just read it to see if I was missing something about the payment, and I didn't see anything.
I knew Lake moved because of CGS (studio is in LA somewhere) from Atlanta. The house in Texas was a team house for his players. Yes it's cheaper there but so is the EG house location, just a smart business decision? The CGS paid their players so the payment issue you claim with Lake must have been before CGS. Lake even said in this video that he was unemployed but that's because the CGS tanked hard, he gambled with CGS and it failed. If anything, it sort of admirable because he didn't half-heartedly put his efforts in but went all out.
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This is actually the first gaming movie that made me realize that esports is a gaming industry and a business, and that there is very little fun to be expected.
Very interesting.
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